Author Topic: PSN = Privacy? Security? Never! (Read 268862 times)

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #250 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:28:45 PM »

Judge Lets Sony Unmask Visitors to PS3-Jailbreaking Site
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/geohot-site-unmasking/

Quote

A federal magistrate is granting Sony the right to acquire the internet IP addresses of anybody who has visited PlayStation 3 hacker George Hotz’s website from January of 2009 to the present.

Thursday’s decision by Magistrate Joseph Spero to allow Sony to subpoena Hotz’s web provider (.pdf) raises a host of web-privacy concerns.
[...]
Sony also won subpoenas (.pdf) for data from YouTube and Google, as part of its lawsuit against the 21-year-old New Jersey hacker, as well as Twitter account data linked to Hotz, who goes by the handle GeoHot.

Bluehost maintains Hotz’s geohot.com site. The approved subpoena requires the company to turn over “documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms” tied to Hotz’s hosting. The Bluehost subpoena also demands “any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using your service and associated” with the www.geohot.com website, including but not limited to the “geohot.com/jailbreak.zip file.”

Sony told Spero, a San Francisco magistrate, that it needed the information for at least two reasons.

One is to prove the “defendant’s distribution” of the hack. The other involves a jurisdictional argument over whether Sony must sue Hotz in his home state of New Jersey rather than in San Francisco, which Sony would prefer.
[more at the link]

Letter to the Magistrate from Sony: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/03/speroruling.pdf

So what do you guys think?

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #251 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:11:27 PM »

Horse ****, pure horse ****. Looks like I'm a defendant now.

Morari · « **Reply #252 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:25:36 PM »

Hey everyone, go check out www.geohot.com!

oohhboy · « **Reply #253 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:33:40 PM »

Looks like they want to try to sue the world. Besides the absurd privacy violation, the reason they want the data is to prove that most of the people who went to the site came from California therefore the trial can be in California, not New Jersey.

I would like to see them try to sue the internet. We have all seen this dance before. War will be declared by Sony. Internet laughs and sherds any and all security in retaliation, then moving on open piracy just to twist the knife.

It's now open season on Sony, better come loaded.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #254 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:48:48 PM »

If they're going to go by a majority of users or some bullshit like that, then that's just ridiculous. Rhode Island is tiny. Where the website is hosted should be irrelevant. The only thing that should matter is where all of this physically took place, which is Rhode Island.

lolmonade · « **Reply #255 on:** March 04, 2011, 10:41:49 PM »

Quote from: Brandogg on March 04, 2011, 09:11:27 PM

Horse ****, pure horse ****. Looks like I'm a defendant now.

This response is a bit overdramatic, don't you think?

So many people have been at that website. Hell, i've read news reports that have linked directly to geohot's blog, and I went there just out of curiosity of seeing what it was all about.

Don't get all chicken little so soon. We don't know the full reasoning of why they're wanting this information. It is possible they're just wanting an indication of how many individual I.P. addresses visit his website to use against his case, not to launch a huge campaign of lawsuits.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #256 on:** March 04, 2011, 10:58:21 PM »

I was saying that it's horse **** that they can invade people's privacy. I don't really expect to be put on the stand, there would probably be around 200,000 people there with me, and we'd all be dead by the time I got my turn. Trust me, I'm not being chicken...but it is horse ****. Turn off your swear filter, by the way.

broodwars · « **Reply #257 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:08:52 PM »

Quote from: lolmonade on March 04, 2011, 10:41:49 PM

Quote from: Brandogg on March 04, 2011, 09:11:27 PM
Horse ****, pure horse ****. Looks like I'm a defendant now.

This response is a bit overdramatic, don't you think?

So many people have been at that website. Hell, i've read news reports that have linked directly to geohot's blog, and I went there just out of curiosity of seeing what it was all about.

Don't get all chicken little so soon. We don't know the full reasoning of why they're wanting this information. It is possible they're just wanting an indication of how many individual I.P. addresses visit his website to use against his case, not to launch a huge campaign of lawsuits.

Indeed. Even I have been to his site to see his initial response to all this. Me living in Florida and not having used his hack, though, I'm not terribly worried about being prosecuted for a crime I haven't committed.

That said, I don't like that the judge approved these subpoenas. It's one thing to download and use the hack, but it's another thing entirely to just visit the site or comment on a youtube video. Even if the purpose of these subpoenas was just to try to prove California as the venue, it sets a bad precedence to release all that information.

lolmonade · « **Reply #258 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:14:00 PM »

oops double post

lolmonade · « **Reply #259 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:14:30 PM »

Quote from: Brandogg on March 04, 2011, 10:58:21 PM

I was saying that it's horse **** that they can invade people's privacy. I don't really expect to be put on the stand, there would probably be around 200,000 people there with me, and we'd all be dead by the time I got my turn. Trust me, I'm not being chicken...but it is horse ****. Turn off your swear filter, by the way.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be insulting.

Swear filter? You mean I should swear more?

Also, I wasn't calling you chicken. I was comparing your comment to chicken little ("the sky is falling!", etc.)

UncleBob · « **Reply #260 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:25:03 PM »

Holy crap! This is just getting &$#&in' crazy....
http://www.kotaku.com/5760691/sony-files-complaint-in-uk-court-against-isp-for-providing-service

Check that out, then come back and tell me Sony isn't overreaching by this most recent court action...

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #261 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:26:18 PM »

Oh, I missed the "little" part. My bad. BTW, by swear filter, I mean the swear filter in your settings for this forum. You can leave it on if you want, but I see 4 *'s in place of where I typed the "s word" in your quote.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #262 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:33:06 PM »

Puts on Xray Glasses

Quote from: UncleBob on March 04, 2011, 11:25:03 PM

Holy crap! This is just getting &$#&in' crazy....
[this is not a trick... pay no attention to the link behind the curtain, just hurry up and click it already]www.geohot.com[/WTF are you waiting for... what!? you don't trust me!?]

Check that out, then come back and tell me Sony isn't overreaching by this most recent court action...

And someone said those Cracker Jack prizes would never be worth ****.....

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #263 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:33:21 PM »

I'm an idiot. Ignore this message.

UncleBob · « **Reply #264 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:36:43 PM »

Quote from: Brandogg on March 04, 2011, 11:33:21 PM

Bob your link is messed up...and if I copy and paste it goes to something about a Spanish Nintendo 3DS website.

Yeah, you're not supposed to c/p it... you're supposed to click on it.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #265 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:38:16 PM »

Nevermind...I'm an idiot. I get what you're doing there.

oohhboy · « **Reply #266 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:40:16 PM »

I got punk'd.

UncleBob · « **Reply #267 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:41:06 PM »

Exactly. Now, anyone who clicked on that link is on Sony's terror watch list of doom. Which is complete BS.

Morari · « **Reply #268 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:56:44 AM »

I'm surprised that Homeland Security has seized the domain name and shut it down yet. They've gotten into the habit of doing that as of late, without any sort of warning or a trial.

Just wait until secret meetings start cropping up over a new COICA bill... It'll get even scarier then.

Caliban · « **Reply #269 on:** March 05, 2011, 06:47:42 PM »

I will be waiting for the Mounties to ring my doorbell and take me away.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #270 on:** March 05, 2011, 07:02:30 PM »

With all of the FUD and lies in this thread, maybe it should be moved to the Funhouse.

broodwars · « **Reply #271 on:** March 05, 2011, 07:56:15 PM »

The unfortunate thing in all this is that Sony will probably get enough information from this to tailor the results as they want. Given that IIRC California is the most populous state in the United States, it wouldn't be unlikely for the largest single percentage of hits on that site from NA to come from California. That percentage could be 10% compared to every other state's 1.8%, but that's the beauty of statistics: you can usually make them say whatever you want.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #272 on:** March 05, 2011, 09:58:29 PM »

PS3 3.56 firmware exploit found. Mathieluh has found an exploit that will allow 3.56 CFW, but isn't going to release his findings. I'm sure someone else will do it in a few days though.

lolmonade · « **Reply #273 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:42:19 PM »

Post modified due to BlackNMild2k1's public shaming for overlooking his post about the same details above

I forget that Ars Technica sometimes gets their reports secondhand from Wired.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #274 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:50:09 PM »

that is old news and is already in the article that I posted at the top of the page.

News:

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