Author Topic: why dosnt nintendo... (Read 10680 times)

)Dark-LInk( · « **on:** April 24, 2003, 01:15:34 PM »

i've been thinking and wondering why nintendo dosnt come up with a online campaign for the gc just like MS came out with XBOXL, at first i thought o they might lose to much money, but i heard that the BIG n gots over 8 BILLION$ so i wonder if they got that much CASH why DONT they invnest like 100$ mill at least just to check out how it wil work?WHY DONT THEY!I WANTED MARIO KART ONLINE!!!!!!!

Zelda · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2003, 01:19:06 PM »

They want to make money. Microsoft's not doing that.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2003, 01:20:58 PM »

While I agree that making money is important, and MS isn't currently doing that and Nintendo is, sometimes you have to lose money initially to make money later. I hope Nintendo realizes this, because Microsoft has.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2003, 01:26:02 PM »

There's no market for it yet. There are just a bunch of very vocal hardcore gamers who want it. The mainstream has not accepted online gaming yet. (And personally, neither have I)

Ian Sane · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2003, 01:49:25 PM »

Well I don't think Nintendo should do exactly what Microsoft is doing in regards to online gaming. Microsoft is burning money with the Xbox so copying pretty much any of their tactics is pretty risky, particularly for Nintendo who has no money from other industries to fall back on like Sony and MS do.

Still, while you can argue about the profitability of online gaming all you want, it's foolish for Nintendo to completely ignore the online market. All I'm asking for is a simple matchmaking service for peer-to-peer multiplayer in games like Mario Kart and F-Zero. That sort of setup would be quite cheap compared to something like PSO. Nintendo has this attitude that all online solutions are ridiculously unprofitable which is dumb. Huge online RPGs are unprofitable. Simple online multiplayer in games that can also be played offline are not going to break the bank. Losing a huge chunk of a future market to the competition just to save a few bucks in the present doesn't make sense.

It's f*cking cartridges and CDs all over again. A new technology starts becoming popular and Nintendo ignores it to save a few bucks.

BobbyRobby · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2003, 02:22:26 PM »

I think 10% of X-Box owners in America are hooked up to X-Box Live. That's not too shabby. I also think its foolish for Nintendo to ignore the market for online.

Ninja X · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2003, 02:26:20 PM »

Why is PSO the only online game out for GCN? That is truly sad...

The Omen · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2003, 02:44:35 PM »

I, for one, do not believe this anti online stance that Nintendo spews out to the public. And neither does MS. MS has stated they believe Nintendo is about to release their plan. And i think they will at e-3. If they dont., i will be disappointed, not because I'm dying for online games, but because they'd miss out on the moderate percentage of gamers who want it. They must spread their objectives across ALL methods of gaming, even if that includes losing money.

joeamis · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2003, 02:49:22 PM »

I waited and my wishes were not fulfilled...
what wishes were those?
simply that mario kart and f zero would be online
just 2 games...thats all i wanted...
but NOOOOOOOOO, nintendo is being stubbornly old fashioned...
that is about the harshest thing ive said about them because i love them
but i can't understand why they wont do anything online
it seems to me they included the broadband and modem adapters simply for
3rd party games... i cant believe it

how much money would they lose by having two games online?
they would make money on the adapters and they could even offer
exclusive add ons (for small $) to the games from their networks, i just dont understand it
i dont even know for sure now if its just a cost concern... i digress GRRRRRRRRRRRr

currently playin metroid prime, metroid fusion, tactics ogre knight of lodis, and zelda wW

rpglover · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2003, 02:51:14 PM »

i have my doubts about seeing nintendos online plan at e3
they have basically said that they will probably not show much if any and will show some of their lan-play games
personally i dont like online gaming that much so it doesnt bother me any
i like how nintendo is running business now- they make money and give us gamers the games we need to play
i would like to see a better ad campaign though- the gc with a free game deal highered their sales alot and hopefully they keep that up for a while
i dont think they need to price cut their system yet, but when the other systems do i think nintendo knows that it will be about time to do it

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2003, 02:52:28 PM »

Online gaming, in my opinion, is rather dumb, so I don't mind. But if good games have cool online capabilities in the future, I'll probably use those capabilities.

joeamis · « **Reply #11 on:** April 24, 2003, 03:06:16 PM »

for some of us online gaming is the only source of multiplaying

friends move away, others dont play videogames
youre left in solitude, so online is your only source for multiplay

plus you get to play people from all over the country,
and people of high skill level in each game

and generally online has more modes of play

i for one absolutely love online gaming, in a few weeks ill be putting my ps2 online
id much rather it be nintendo though.... *sniff sniff*

curr playin metroid prime, metroid fusion, tactics ogre knight of lodis, zelda WW

Bloodworth · « **Reply #12 on:** April 24, 2003, 03:22:50 PM »

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Originally posted by: BobbyRobby
I think 10% of X-Box owners in America are hooked up to X-Box Live. That's not too shabby. I also think its foolish for Nintendo to ignore the market for online.

Considering that the XBox market is the prime target for online gaming, that's got to make you wonder. This topic's been beat to death people. Nintendo isn't being "old fashioned" They've tinkered with online gaming for years, and that's likely why they're more cautious about it. While everyone else thinks online gaming is the "next big thing," Nintendo has done enough behind-the-scenes work to make them skeptical. I'd think that doing simple matchmaking setups would be easy enough, but who knows?

kennyb27 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 24, 2003, 03:51:42 PM »

First off, Nintendo is a business and in order to stay in that business, they need to be profitable. I completely agree with Bloodworth, Nintendo is not stupid, they have surely looked thoroughly at online plans, and to them (believe me, they have a lot more information than we do) it isn't worth it. If truly only 10% of Xbox gamers go online, this number will sharply drop for GCN, it is a different audience.

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how much money would they lose by having two games online?

Probably, a lot. Having two online games and a server system to support just those two games would be stupid. The audience for online games in general is small, and then to restrict that market to only one type of game would make it even smaller. With server costs and marketing, it would not be worth it.

Cap · « **Reply #14 on:** April 24, 2003, 03:55:38 PM »

i've always thought that nintendo and sony's online planes were almost the same, except that sony is actually making games themselves that support online play. besides that, arent they basically the same, with the capability for third partys to make online games but on their own servers? the problem i thought, was that third partys didnt want to make games online for gamecube due to the lower user base. what has sony done differently?

aoi tsuki · « **Reply #15 on:** April 24, 2003, 03:58:47 PM »

At least we're getting LAN games, although i have a feeling it'll be a matter of "too little too late". With the exception of first party titles, i don't expect much support for LAN play, at least not any time soon.

The Omen: When did MS say they expected Nintendo to release their plan? If they do, great, but i'm not holding my breath. Remember Megaton? ^_^

Locke Cole · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2003, 04:16:31 PM »

As of right now I'm not too worried about online play. I might want it in the future when its worth it, I think the only thing I'm going to do online is Counter-Strike. One I don't have to pay to play, two im not in some contract for x amount of dollars a month. I can play when i want and how i want. No stupid log in or anything. Nintendo might annouce their online plans at E3. I keep on hearing about this megaton annoucement, and the back of my Nintendo Power has a darkened picture of Link saying "The shadow of things to come" telling me about major annoucements that they have planned. So anything can happen, but as I said I'm not too worried about it.

Wesisapie · « **Reply #17 on:** April 24, 2003, 04:30:33 PM »

Online multiplayer games have been done to death... it's either:
Shoot everything/everyone
Slash everything/everyone
Try to level up, even though levelling isn't fun.

Everyone wants to be the hero when they play games, and online games make you just another person.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2003, 04:33:15 PM »

I you ask me, I think most of the negativity towards online gaming from Nintendo fans is because of the fact Nintendo's not embracing it. If at E3 Nintendo had an online plan as robust as Microsoft's, I think you'd see the vast majority of Nintendo fans supporting them. I'm personally indifferent- I don't play online games myself but I definitely see the potential.

joeamis · « **Reply #19 on:** April 24, 2003, 05:11:49 PM »

quote:
First off, Nintendo is a business and in order to stay in that business, they need to be profitable. I completely agree with Bloodworth, Nintendo is not stupid, they have surely looked thoroughly at online plans, and to them (believe me, they have a lot more information than we do) it isn't worth it. If truly only 10% of Xbox gamers go online, this number will sharply drop for GCN, it is a different audience.

you're trying to say less than 10% of Gamecube owners would go online if they had titles like
Mario Kart, F-Zero, Animal Crossing 2, 1080 avalanche, Soul Calibur 2, and Pikmin 2 online?!?!

thats just absurd...sorry but i had to say it

i would have to think that xbox only has 10% due to the actual cost there is- to be on xbox live...

The Omen · « **Reply #20 on:** April 24, 2003, 05:12:19 PM »

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The Omen: When did MS say they expected Nintendo to release their plan? If they do, great, but i'm not holding my breath. Remember Megaton? ^_^

They said so after last years E-3. Basically, they called Nintendo a wolf in sheeps clothing when it comes to online. Also, if you consider all of the great news for the GC this year, with more to come, and scrunch it all together, it comes pretty close to a megaton, doesn't it?. It's just spread out.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 24, 2003, 05:24:53 PM »

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you're trying to say less than 10% of Gamecube owners would go online if they had titles like Mario Kart, F-Zero, Animal Crossing 2, 1080 avalanche, Soul Calibur 2, and Pikmin 2 online?!?!

I definitely don't think any more than 10% would go online. Sadly the audience that supports the Gamecube does not have the budget for an online monthly fee, even if those games were online. Even if more than 10% went online with their Gamecube, it still wouldn't be profitable for Nintendo.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #22 on:** April 24, 2003, 05:41:59 PM »

People, I am getting very tired of seeing a bunch of crap about all this that's based little on actual fact.

LAN GAMES CAN BE PLAYED ONLINE

That should be enough to keep all of you who want to play games online with your GameCube quiet. You can play Mario Kart online. What's the problem?

ONLINE GAMING IS NOT AS BIG AS YOU THINK

Take a look at these polls for instance. Keep in mind that everyone who voted is a gamer with internet access.

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=1075
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=1170
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=1071
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=1167

To me those polls don't really say a whole lot for the popularity of online gaming, least of all on consoles.

thepoga · « **Reply #23 on:** April 24, 2003, 06:27:19 PM »

online gaming is the best thing ever! jk. im not like that. my friend is though. he said online atomatically makes a game good. then i said what the crap are u talking about? then he said im not listening i dont care. then i said u should care then he said lalalalalalaa. then i said shutup! then he said NOO!! then i said u suck! then he said Im a homo! then i said really? then he said no im jk.

yeah... ok nm. I think that nintendo not having any online plan is making them lose some potential gc buyers, but maybe not to much. it would be great if games like mario kart and fzero were online cuz u may wanna actually play with 8 players but u cant have 8 people comin to ur house or something. LAN can be hard to organize sometimes (i mean in terms of people comin over and connecting everything). that is a reason why online has so much appeal, u can play against a human person almost anytime u want to. unfortunately it isnt very clear as to whether or not nintendo can make a profit from online games. ( i dont think that people should say that nintendo WOULDNT or WOULD make a profit). its a very hard and changing business as most of u know.

okie dokie. that is all i have to say. you jerks...

umm... i was joking for those of u who are offended. so err, dont be offended. and stuff.

Zelda · « **Reply #24 on:** April 24, 2003, 07:21:23 PM »

those polls don't prove anything.

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