Topic: Games That Should be on Virtual Console

[Stratos]

No Wiiware games?!?

World.
Of.
Goo.

Get it. There is even a demo you can d/l on the service if you want to try it first. It's easily the best title on the shop.

[Kytim89]

How about Body Harvest, Winback, Turok 1 anf 2 and Doom 64?

[Stratos]

Or World of Goo. You could try that game, Kytim

I'd like to see Body Harvest as it was one of those strange N64 games I was always curious about but missed. Also Wetrix and Space Station Silicone Valley were other ones I missed.

I think games like the N64 Indiana Jones and Mischief Makes do stand better chances of releasing than other 3rd party N64 titles because those publishers have shown interest in supporting the VC. Oger Battle 64 getting an ESRB rating along with ratings in PAL territories gives us hope that Nintendo's apparent barring of 3rd party N64 games coming to VC may be drawing to a close. Course, Aero Fighters Assault and Beetle Adventure Racing were rated by the ESRB back when the service launched and where are those games? Nintendo should just open up the service at this point instead of barring everyone from releasing their games.

I doubt the Turok games will come since that whole series is apparently dead since the past revivals have failed.

One series I'm surprised has not come to VC is the Mario Party series. There are 3 titles on the N64 that would be pure money for Nintendo.

[TJ Spyke]

No Wiiware games?!?

World.
Of.
Goo.

Get it. There is even a demo you can d/l on the service if you want to try it first. It's easily the best title on the shop.

Most
overrated
game
on
WiiWare

Seriously. It's a OK game, but it's not the best WiiWare game. It's the same thing with Braid on XBLA/PSN, that game is way overrated (and not worth $15. It's, at best, a $5 game and I am glad I got it for free in that Spike Video Game Award contest).

[Kytim89]

Here is my virtual console wishlist:
 
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Super Mario 64
Super Mario World
Super Punch-out
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
F-Zero X
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Sonic and Knuckles
Super Mario Brothers
Super Mario Brothers 2
Gunstar Heroes

[TJ Spyke]

I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.

Final Fantasy IV and VI will, the others will not (unless Nintendo changes their policy). Nintendo doesn't allow companies to translate their VC games, so only IV (which was released outside of Japan as II) and VI (which was released as III) have a chance of getting released outside of Japan on the VC. II has been released in Japan though. Unless Nintendo changes their policy, don't expect to see any import games that rely on text (i.e. RPG's) to get released outside of Japan. I hope they do change their mind though as I would also like to see Nintendo release the NES and SNES "Wars" games here.

[Mop it up]

How about Body Harvest, Winback, Turok 1 anf 2 and Doom 64?

Honestly, I would say not a chance to any of them.
Body Harvest was developed by DMA Design which I believe became Rockstar. It was published by Midway who I think went bankrupt, so it isn't clear who, if anyone, holds the rights to this game.
WinBack was developed by a company I've not heard of (Omega Force) and published by Koei, who I believe is still around. The game sold poorly though so I doubt Koei would want to put it on the VC.
The Turok games were published by Acclaim, who went under. Plus these are licenced games and that licence would have to be renewed, so that gives it no chance.
Doom 64 was all Midway, who no longer exists. I don't know if id Software ended up with the rights to this game, but I doubt it.

Also Wetrix and Space Station Silicone Valley were other ones I missed.

Space Station... I wonder about that one. It was developed by DMA (now Rockstar) and published by Take Two, who still exists. I guess it is possible but unlikely. Wetrix was by Ocean, and I don't think that company is around anymore.

Mischief Makers is entirely possible. It was developed by Treasure who still works with Nintendo, and published by Nintendo. Seems like a matter of time. Indiana Jones is a licence game, meaning they would have to pay for the licence again. I doubt that would happen, plus the game was available only as a rental or purchase through the publisher so it is practically unheard of.

Mario Party seems likely at some point, though I'd imagine that so far, Nintendo figures the games could cut into sales of Mario Party 8.

Get it. There is even a demo you can d/l on the service if you want to try it first. It's easily the best title on the shop.

The demo is no longer available.

Most
overrated
game
on
WiiWare

I have to agree, I personally wouldn't recommend World of Goo to anyone.

[Kytim89]

I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.

Final Fantasy IV and VI will, the others will not (unless Nintendo changes their policy). Nintendo doesn't allow companies to translate their VC games, so only IV (which was released outside of Japan as II) and VI (which was released as III) have a chance of getting released outside of Japan on the VC. II has been released in Japan though. Unless Nintendo changes their policy, don't expect to see any import games that rely on text (i.e. RPG's) to get released outside of Japan. I hope they do change their mind though as I would also like to see Nintendo release the NES and SNES "Wars" games here.

What is Nintendo's policy regarding these games? I just wish they would release these games first and ask questions later.

[NWR_insanolord]

I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.

Final Fantasy IV and VI will, the others will not (unless Nintendo changes their policy). Nintendo doesn't allow companies to translate their VC games, so only IV (which was released outside of Japan as II) and VI (which was released as III) have a chance of getting released outside of Japan on the VC. II has been released in Japan though. Unless Nintendo changes their policy, don't expect to see any import games that rely on text (i.e. RPG's) to get released outside of Japan. I hope they do change their mind though as I would also like to see Nintendo release the NES and SNES "Wars" games here.

What is Nintendo's policy regarding these games? I just wish they would release these games first and ask questions later.

Nintendo doesn't ever do anything without careful consideration.

[TJ Spyke]

I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.

Final Fantasy IV and VI will, the others will not (unless Nintendo changes their policy). Nintendo doesn't allow companies to translate their VC games, so only IV (which was released outside of Japan as II) and VI (which was released as III) have a chance of getting released outside of Japan on the VC. II has been released in Japan though. Unless Nintendo changes their policy, don't expect to see any import games that rely on text (i.e. RPG's) to get released outside of Japan. I hope they do change their mind though as I would also like to see Nintendo release the NES and SNES "Wars" games here.

What is Nintendo's policy regarding these games? I just wish they would release these games first and ask questions later.

Nintendo doesn't allow publishers to do translation or similar changes to VC games. The only real alterations they allow is to remove licensed stuff (like when they removed the Kawasaki banners in Wave Race 64). This is why we hadn't received Castelvania: Rondo of Blood before (at least according to a producer at Konami).

Mop, Time Warner bought most of the assets of Midway (I think everything except the TNA license), so most likely they own Body Harvest.

Mishief Makers is unlikely. The game got pulled from retail shelves only a few weeks due to a dispute over who actually had the rights to the game, that's why it's so rare.

Stratos, Ogre Battle 64 is a odd situation. Can it really be considered a full third party game? Nintendo published it in Japan, and that is the only region so far to get it on VC.

Mop, Wetrix is now owned by a company called Throwback Entertainment. Throwback also bought most of Acclaim's library when Acclaim went bankrupt and had all of their stuff sold at auction. Most of the games they bought though are license games (like "Street Fighter: The Movie" and "The Simpsons: Bart's Nightmare"). Here is the full list: http://www.throwbackentertainment.com/games/index-2.html

[Mop it up]

Is it always the publisher who ends up with rights to a game and the developer has no rights?

And Mischief Makers is rare? It seems pretty common to me, but maybe it is a case where few people are interested in the game. I hadn't heard about it getting pulled from store shelves, where did you hear about that?

[Kytim89]

Can anyone recommend any good Neo Geo games for me? I have never played that console.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Is it always the publisher who ends up with rights to a game and the developer has no rights?

Depends on the deal made between the Dev and the Pub.
If the publisher is financing the game then they unquestionably own the rights to it, but in some cases and Dev will produce a game independently and then seek a publisher who will handle the release. In those cases the Dev usually retains rights to the title but the Pub may have all say on when and where it gets released.

see HVS/Sega on The Conduit and Tecmo/Nintendo on Fatal Frame 4

[TJ Spyke]

Don't know what happened to my post, but I had answered that question.

As for financing, the publisher can finance a game and not own it. See the Gears of War games, Microsoft financed the games and published them, but Epic Games still owns them. But yeah, it varies since on the deal.

Licensed games add a whole different problem. Take a game like The Simpsons: Bart's Nightmare for SNES. Throwback Entertainment owns the code and rights to the game, Electronic Arts currently has the license to The Simpsons, and News Corporation owns The Simpsons. So that game would require the agreement between the 3 (or at least Throwback and EA) to get it on VC or other similar services.

[Stratos]

Indiana Jones is published by LucasArts. I highly doubt there is a licensing issue there since LucasArts has control of the properties.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Don't know what happened to my post, but I had answered that question.

As for financing, the publisher can finance a game and not own it. See the Gears of War games, Microsoft financed the games and published them, but Epic Games still owns them. But yeah, it varies since on the deal.

The MS deal was a different deal than most since it was a money hat deal.
MS financed it because they wanted exclusives. EPIC still owns it, but it's a Xbox360 exclusive and EPIC has no say in that.

[TJ Spyke]

I am just saying that a publisher doesn't own a game just because they financed it. None of this matters though since every publishing deal is different.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I agree, I was just saying that they might not own the game, but they own the rights to that game if they financed it. The Dev can't just shop that same exact game to a different Pub if the Pub that payed for it decides to shelf it.

[Kytim89]

I now that I have driven you all crazy about whether Rareware games will ever appear on VC and I understand that Microsoft owns the IPs now, but they should still be released on the wii. Nintendo must have financed these games and there must be some kind of way for them to get the games on their service. Afterall, the games were developed for a Nintendo console, so they should have some legal rights. I just can not let go of the fact that Microsoft owns these cool games(Conker and Perfect Dark). Is there some way tht they can split the profits? I mean, if Sony owned Rareware, I would not be as ticked off.

[BlackNMild2k1]

MS wouldn't agree to it and Nintendo doesn't like to share.
Nintendo sold any rights they had to those games and MS doesn't want to basically give them back with interest earned.

[Mop it up]

I don't think there is any chance of that happening. I'd recommend trying to get over your hatred of Microsoft as all that's doing is making you unhappy.

[TJ Spyke]

Kytim, the manufacturer has no rights over the game. All they can do basically is approve or deny the game (meaning allow the game to be released on their system or not, and they don't even legally have that right in Europe; which is why you see so much shovelware crap from Phoenix Games in Europe since Sony and Nintendo legally can't say no).

Unless it was already a Nintendo IP, Rare likely had ownership. For example, Rare developed and published Conker's Bad Fur Day themselves (Nintendo distributed and advertised it). The only money Nintendo would get from VC versions is the standard 35% they get from all third party VC games. Microsoft doesn't want to help a competing service (although i'm sure Nintendo wouldn't mind having them appear on VC), Microsoft might allow Conker's Pocket Tales for the GBC to appear on a DS VC though.

[Kytim89]

Is there any way to emulate the games on wii? Why did Nintendo let them go in the first place? How can they say that the best console games will come to the virtual console when these are obviously good and will probably never happen. I am almost brought to tears(not really ) at the fact that Rareware titles will never come to the virtual console.
 
When you say that Nintendo wont share, they already do that with companies like Sqaure and others. I have heared that Rare said that they could port their games, but it would be up to Nintendo. It is probably Nintendo that is keeping these games from appearing the service.

[Halbred]

NeoGeo games, eh? If you like fighters, there's always going to be King of Fighters. Otherwise, King of the Monsters is good two-player fun. Even Blue's Journey isn't horrible with a friend.

[TJ Spyke]

Is there any way to emulate the games on wii? Why did Nintendo let them go in the first place? How can they say that the best console games will come to the virtual console when these are obviously good and will probably never happen. I am almost brought to tears(not really ) at the fact that Rareware titles will never come to the virtual console.
 
When you say that Nintendo wont share, they already do that with companies like Sqaure and others. I have heared that Rare said that they could port their games, but it would be up to Nintendo. It is probably Nintendo that is keeping these games from appearing the service.

What happened with Rare is that the Stamper brothers (who were 2 of the 3 co-founders of the company)  wanted to make Rare a first party studio and offered to sell their 51% share in the company to Nintendo (who owned the other 49%). Nintendo didn't want to. The quality of Rare games had been dipping and they kept taking longer and longer to make games, so Nintendo didn't want to do it. So the Stampers reached a deal where they bought back the 49% from Nintendo and then sold the entire company to Microsoft for $370 million.

As for Rare games appearing on the VC, they don't have any say. Microsoft owns Rare's IPs now, so Microsoft has final say. Microsoft won't let it happen because Virtual Console is a competing service to Xbox Live Arcade.