Topic: "Green" Game Cases...

[ShyGuy]

save the enviroment = screw retailers? force gamers?

Nice subversive socialist political post there, Pale.

[nickmitch]

I'm gonna wait on having a solid opinion on this until I see whether or not this fucks up my games on arrival or what I deem to be typical use.

[King of Twitch]

I have an idea... cut out two rectangular pieces of cardboard and place it behind the boxart front and back

[Pale]

Not sure if you are kidding or not with your post ShyGuy, but there is nothing socialist about my statement. Maybe my wording was poor, but by "force gamers" I meant that the publishers should start only releasing their games as DLC and see if it works.  If people stopped buying games, then obviously the publishers would have to go back to what works... I just don't think that would be the case.

The retailers are just at the mercy of the gamers' decision in the matter, but if they decide to adopt digital distribution, then yeah, the retailers would be screwed.

[Halbred]

Totally unrelated rants:

I love it when people bring the word "socialist" into a conversation. The connotation invokes Cold War paranoia by its very definition. In fact, socialism is alive and well and basically operates just fine in western Europe. Britain does not equal the Soviet Union. The term ("socialist") is just so outdated now that's it's almost a self parody.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Not just western Europe....

welfare, social security, medicare, food stamps, etc etc.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

friend codes...

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I have an idea... cut out two rectangular pieces of cardboard and place it behind the boxart front and back

Is that before or after the games are punctured at retail?

[King of Twitch]

What do you think

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I think the individual will be too busy complaining here after purchasing their punctured game.

And about those CD binder recommendations... Everyone I've met who uses the binders all have scratched discs.  So I think this whole binder advantage is just a myth, and that brings me back to my original point that we're dealing with defective people instead, throughout the shipping/retail/consumer chain.

[ShyGuy]

Totally unrelated rants:

I love it when people bring the word "socialist" into a conversation. The connotation invokes Cold War paranoia by its very definition. In fact, socialism is alive and well and basically operates just fine in western Europe. Britain does not equal the Soviet Union. The term ("socialist") is just so outdated now that's it's almost a self parody.

Okay, Official Admin/Moderator/Staff, let us continue your discussion of the politics of socialism. Pale advocates removing consumer choice in how and where they purchase games. This is done by eliminating a private business option. By forsaking the choices of the individual Pale argues that the society as a whole is better served in the case of their enviroment. What would that be called?

[BlackNMild2k1]

We could still have digital stores.

GS could offer downloads of software and maybe even offer trade in on software you already bought(from them) allowing you to never access the game again (without re-buying it) in exchange for credits towards something new(once again, from them).

Amazon does game downloads, Steam/D2D/Impulse could start providing console downloads.
Buy.com, Newegg and countless other websites could have some universal DRM that would allow you to access you game forever and ever and still give you the options of where you want to purchase your games from.

Some places might even still give you the option of a physical purchase (at extra cost) but I'm sure it would still have to work through some sort of online verification and only with any system registered to your account.

[ShyGuy]

How about we let people determine what they want?

[BlackNMild2k1]

Well, when people start producing the things that they themselves want, then they don't have to worry about what other people provide for them.

At this point in time our only options are the ones that are provided for us, so if you are not getting something that you want from the people providing it, there is nothing stopping you from filling that demand yourself. Free Enterprise.

[stevey]

DLC/DRM/DMCA are just scams that will eventually end up forcing people to repurchase games/movies/music over and over again every time you want to play them. If I want to play my copy of snes games, I get a cart2usb adapter and play it. If I want to play Gamecube games I just place the disk in the drive and play it. If I want to play World of Goo on the Wii 2, Well I'm fucked.

Buying&Owning>Renting&Licensing
Disks&Carts>DLC
Women>Porn
Physical>Digital
Installed Programs>Cloud computing

The way the market is going is to screw over consumers by removing their rights to maximize profit.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

PORN

More profitable than Women

[UncleBob]

Aside from the DVD rack thing, has anyone came up with a legitimate reason for not moving to a smaller CD/DS sized case?

In regards to the DVD rack comment, I must say - I don't remember hearing any such complaints when VHS switched to DVD or DVD switched to HD-DVD/Blu-Ray or Records switched to 8-Tracks to Cassettes to CDs...

I think, considering most existing CD racks would easily hold slimline jewel-case sized DVD cases, no one should have any problems finding something to adapt the newer case into.

[nickmitch]

Wouldn't all the booklets that come with games have to be redesigned too? And with Nintendo, half of them are the exact same warning crap which would have to be converted.  That could be costly.

[UncleBob]

Actually, that's where the cost savings and earth-friendliness gets better.  The cases could be clear so that one side of the insert has the cover art and the back side (inside) has some simple instructions in inserting the disc and basic health/safety warnings.

When you insert the disc into the system and start it up for the first time, you'll get a message (similar to one about creating a save file saying "Would you like to view the manual for this game?" - you can then read it or not, via the system.  If you opt not to read it (or when you're done reading it) you'll get a message like "You can check the manual at any time by pressing the "Home" button and selecting "Operations Manual".  After you make your selection, the disc will create a bit in the save file telling the system not to prompt you for the manual again.

So, now, we've just eliminated manuals - so there goes a ton of paper and printing and cuts down on the shipping weight even further.

If necessary (for whatever reason) a small four page (one sheet, folded in half) or eight-page (two sheets, folded in half, stapled together) would fit inside the cases I linked to earlier.

Worst-case, you could still use cases of standard thickness and have DS-sized manuals/inserts.  It'd still cut down on plastic, weight and size. (Again, these "eco" cases do nothing in regards to size)...

[Morari]

DLC/DRM/DMCA are just scams that will eventually end up forcing people to repurchase games/movies/music over and over again every time you want to play them. If I want to play my copy of snes games, I get a cart2usb adapter and play it. If I want to play Gamecube games I just place the disk in the drive and play it. If I want to play World of Goo on the Wii 2, Well I'm fucked.

Buying&Owning>Renting&Licensing
Disks&Carts>DLC
Women>Porn
Physical>Digital
Installed Programs>Cloud computing

The way the market is going is to screw over consumers by removing their rights to maximize profit.

You know, digital distribution would be awesome if it didn't come with all that DRM. I wouldn't mind at all having to buy everything online, so long as I can then burn that game to a disc myself for safe keeping, or at least stow the .exe away on my hard drive for later installs.

[kraken613]

Not sure if you are kidding or not with your post ShyGuy, but there is nothing socialist about my statement. Maybe my wording was poor, but by "force gamers" I meant that the publishers should start only releasing their games as DLC and see if it works.  If people stopped buying games, then obviously the publishers would have to go back to what works... I just don't think that would be the case.

The retailers are just at the mercy of the gamers' decision in the matter, but if they decide to adopt digital distribution, then yeah, the retailers would be screwed.

Well its obvious you put out a good digital distribution platform and you don't force people to use it but give them the option. You make one very high profile game require it. Then everyone has it and see's a game they want to play now. They buy it, then they start buying more and more from it you have insane sales and people buy even more. Then everyone is using it and retail sales are horrible and people say gaming is dead because retail sales are horrible. But what they don't think about is all the sales aren't reported because its not at "retail".

O wait, thats PC gaming.....

[Kairon]

DLC/DRM/DMCA are just scams that will eventually end up forcing people to repurchase games/movies/music over and over again every time you want to play them. If I want to play my copy of snes games, I get a cart2usb adapter and play it. If I want to play Gamecube games I just place the disk in the drive and play it. If I want to play World of Goo on the Wii 2, Well I'm ****ed.

Buying&Owning>Renting&Licensing
Disks&Carts>DLC
Women>Porn
Physical>Digital
Installed Programs>Cloud computing

The way the market is going is to screw over consumers by removing their rights to maximize profit.

You know, digital distribution would be awesome if it didn't come with all that DRM. I wouldn't mind at all having to buy everything online, so long as I can then burn that game to a disc myself for safe keeping, or at least stow the .exe away on my hard drive for later installs.

I hear that GOG.com is like this, DRM-FREE, though a lot of their library is made up of games from the 90's that are more likely to appeal to oldschool gamers like you and me. They do have newer releases though... I'm planning on getting a bunch of old strategy or adventure PC games off that site sometime.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Piracy is also not at retail.  Piracy(TM), the original digi-distro.  Checkout the latest piracy charts from N.ew P.irate D.ata.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Piracy is also not at retail.  Piracy(TM), the original digi-distro.  Checkout the latest piracy charts from N.ew P.irate D.ata.

I got the real stuff for you....
::looks around all suspicious::
But you can't tell nobody....
The Most Pirated Games of 2009

PS3 has no list

[KDR_11k]

At least I've got a pile of spare cases from the early Wii points cards.