Topic: Pong Mafia MVP vote

[NWR_DrewMG]

Vote for two players, it'll be hidden for two days, and then the winner will be announced. 

Discuss away!

[BeautifulShy]

Well I don't think I deserve MVP this game. I endangered the townies with who I trusted. Only Stratos and Stogi survived out of my small alliance. But I think with me and Khushrenada out of the game that put lots of eyes on thatguy. Day 3 is the day that changed the game. Every Mafia member voted for Vudu except DAaaMan64. Ohhboys slip up at the end of the voting day sealed it for him. Nuclear Speed played well.

I have a question for the townies that were alive Day 4 to the end of the game. Was all that fighting amongst eachother staged and you were hoping to get mafia members to vote for you? Thats the way it looked from my perspective.

[vudu]

It was staged in that we didn't want the mafia to have a clear picture that we were working together.  There were quite a few PMs going around in the background between us about potential mafia members.

Mop it up will have to clarify whether she honestly suspected Nickmitch may be mafia, but I was pretty sure he was a townie.

[decoyman]

One thing I liked about this game was that there was no sure thing, even though we had a sheriff... because of Elusive Lucy, you couldn't count on any of the investigations being accurate. We all had to just go based on our gut instincts, and kind of just take a leap of faith that what we were thinking was true.

I was in contact with vudu and UB mostly, trusting that they were townies, and that made it tense but exciting. I didn't know for sure either way, and I kept doubting that I was right, one day thinking UB had to be mafia, the next, vudu had to be mafia... It was really pretty fun, and vindicating to know that in the end, my hunches were right (well, those two).

Also, to those of you saying it isn't fun or interesting when you're just a townie... I had a ton of fun. Randomly voting for people just to see their (and others') reaction, acting totally oblivious in the threads while throwing PMs at vudu and UB and others in secret. It might be a little harder, but it can be totally fun.

[that Baby guy]

I added someone to the poll.

Also, I can see the results, and they are shocking.  At least, I'm shocked.

Edit: Now I'm less surprised.  Looks like someone moved a vote away from me :p

[NWR_DrewMG]

Haha, I'm not sure what qualifies me to be MVP, but if you want it on there, then go ahead. 

[that Baby guy]

Sheesh, and now the other person to vote for me also removed his/her vote.

It makes sense, sure, but still, why did you vote for someone on the losing side to begin with?

[vudu]

Just because you lost doesn't mean that you didn't contribute the most to the team.  I can't say who's call it was to have Daaaman protect both you and NuclearSpeed but it protected NS for several days and it would have helped you if I didn't already suspect you (that and I wanted to save my own ass).

[that Baby guy]

Eh, typically in games, the MVP reward only goes to the winning team.  I just want to make sure the winners get their credit

[vudu]

I'm having a hard time coming up with just two people to vote for.  I'm an ass, but not so much that I'd actually vote for myself, so it comes down to Stratos, Mop it up and UncleBob.

After thatguy was voted out 4 to 3 on day 3, I contacted Mop it up, Nickmitch and Stogi to start an alliance.  I also randomly contacted Stratos and for some reason trusted him enough to tell him my role and to start working with him separately from the others.  I talked with Stratos and Mop it up quite a bit on days 4 and 5.  Both had great contributions and together we voted out oohhboy.  Stogi helped, too, but he was almost as aloof in PMs as he was in the daily threads, so I have to give the other two a slight edge.

After UncleBob saved me on day 5, I worked very close with him until the end of the game.  After we mistakenly voted off stevey--and before we figured out NuclearSpeed was mafia--I began to wonder if someone in the alliance was mafia.  We were running out of potential mafia members and I questioned my judgment with being so open with the others earlier so I began to contact them less frequently--I didn't tell any of them about UncleBob (which made it very difficult since just a couple days ago Stogi and I were both convinced that Bob was mafia, so he kept trying to vote him off while I somehow tried to prevent it without giving away that Bob was the doctor).

In the end, I'll vote for two of you, but I'm not going to say which ones in order to avoid any hurt feelings.  I love you all equally!

[NWR_DrewMG]

I'm not requiring that the MVP be from the winning team.  Vote however you like. 

[that Baby guy]

Vote for Drew_MG.  It was a fun game with good roles.  I figured that deserves points.

I picked GP because she actually had the guts to come forward and say she was the investigator when she needed to do so.  She was able to communicate the necessary information about what all had happened in time, because she really was on borrowed time at that point.

Do I think the townies would have won without her doing this?  Probably, but her actions really lead to the win, since it was made clear that the mafia easily could have altered her NuclearSpeed investigation.  What's most interesting, though, was the choice of NuclearSpeed on her own.  Personally, I suggested oohhboy, nickmitch, and Decoyman, the three people who needed to vote for the day.  She came back with NuclearSpeed, I told her it would work, then informed DAaaMan of who to mess with.  The one move I think she should have done better was actually post she had investigated NuclearSpeed, so that way she'd be sure the townies would learn of it.  Given how this game worked, it honestly would have lead to an earlier mafia loss, I think.

Edit:  Drew_MG, I know you're not, but still, I'm just saying it's typical in sports for it to be that way, so I was surprised that my early death, combined with a team loss resulted in votes for me.  Maybe it's just habit in mafia to vote for thatguy at this point.  Also, I don't know my Wii FC, so you'd never give that prize away to me anyways.

[vudu]

The one move I think [GP] should have done better was actually post she had investigated NuclearSpeed, so that way she'd be sure the townies would learn of it.  Given how this game worked, it honestly would have lead to an earlier mafia loss, I think.

I doubt it.  Between days 3 to 7--that five days, mind you--we voted out 4 mafia members.  On day 5 we--myself, Stogi, Mop it up, and if memory serves Stratos, too--were *positive* that UncleBob and stevey were mafia.  We decided to vote out stevey first--lucky for us!  After that, UncleBob contracted me and told me he was the doctor.  We had to change our plan and quickly found the last two mafia members.  But chances are we would have voted out stevey before NuclearSpeed or Daaaman--both do a really good job of laying low--so I don't think it would have affected the outcome of the game very much.

Note:  This is not meant to be a knock against GP.  She did a fine job playing and I'll fully admit to dropping the ball by assuming NuclearSpeed was a legit townie just because GP investigated him.  Luckily, I don't think it impacted the game in any way--Mop it up would have still likely been killed by the mafia and we still would have voted out stevey.  If anything, the only thing to change would have been the order that Daaaman and NuclearSpeed were voted out.

[that Baby guy]

But you neglect the fact that stevey would have called GP a liar of some sort, then gone and done his own then.  Afterwards, GP would have been found to have been the investigator and stevey would have looked like one very incompetent mafia member had he actually been a mafia member, and thus he'd have been left alive, and DAaaMan would have been voted out instead.  UncleBob would definitely saved himself from the vote by contacting a few townie-ish people.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Was I right to assume the reason why I wasn't taken out the first day thatguy found out who I was because I was investigating nuclearspeed?

[vudu]

Probably.  As long as he knew who you were going to investigate he had the ability to manipulate the results.  You posed very little threat at that point.  It was only after you went public that you started to stir up trouble.

[that Baby guy]

To be honest, I asked oohhboy not to say anything to me in regards to the days hits.  I have no idea if he found out who Plugabugz was, or anything like that.  If they didn't know, it sure was a lucky hit.  (My distance from the mafia hits is another reason I was surprised to have been voted out so quickly!)

Personally, I'd have kept you alive as long as possible.  I'd want to make you doubt all the results after everyone turned up a townie, start double checking people, get different results, and really just use you against the townies.  I'm guessing NuclearSpeed and the rest couldn't secure a method to do that, so they killed you, but I would have kept you alive.

[vudu]

I'm guessing NuclearSpeed and the rest couldn't secure a method to do that, so they killed you, but I would have kept you alive.

That's right--once thatguy was voted off there was no way for the mafia to know who you were going to investigate (assuming you didn't have an open dialog with NuclearSpeed).  You became a liability.

[NuclearSpeed]

I never had contact with Gp, when I was told about the in with the investigator it was just so I didn't use that role with anyone. I wanted to keep my result a secret until I was really under fire, but by then vudu had rallied the troops. He was chosen that night only because he was one of a couple that wasn't suspicious of me that day and active and I had not contacted him, didn't want it to look like someone was shut up for being on to a mafia member.

Not sure who I would vote for yet, thatguy obviously did a lot for both sides, and there seems to be a few townies that did a lot of work, so I am sure someone deserving will get it.

[Mop it up]

There were actually quite a few really good players this game on both sides.
Thatguy's plan might have actually worked if the word got out that he were townie.
Vudu was the one who really banded the townies together and also deduced a couple of the Mafia.
Looks like GoldenPhoenix did quite a bit behind the scenes, and helped aid in finding the final member.
Kashogi Y. Stogi made some good votes but wasn't very vocal about him, so he wasn't too helpful in getting others to side with him.
UncleBob made a great save with choosing Vudu, but he didn't start contributing with the votes until the end. I also feel he missed two obvious protections with Khushrenada and GoldenPhoenix (and maybe me, but I'm probably not a good judge of that).
Seems like Stratos was more active in PMs and discussing who might be who than he was with voting, but that was still helpful.

I'm not sure if I was as helpful as anyone listed above, but I'm still happy with my performance. Each game is a learning experience, and there's definitely much for me to take away from this. Even though I didn't make it to the end, I have no regrets.

Mop_it_up will have to clarify whether she honestly suspected Nickmitch may be mafia, but I was pretty sure he was a townie.

Well, since he wasn't voting much then I was starting to wonder. But I had always planned to change my vote to Oohhboy.

[that Baby guy]

You know, I posted it in the day thread.  I think that's getting the word out :p

[Mop it up]

You know I don't trust you. I have to hear about it from somebody else.
And I hope you aren't about to tell me that it was stupid to not trust you...

[GoldenPhoenix]

Well I'm just happy I actually was more involved this time. It was fun.

[UncleBob]

UncleBob made a great save with choosing Vudu, but he didn't start contributing with the votes until the end. I also feel he missed two obvious protections with Khushrenada and GoldenPhoenix (and maybe me, but I'm probably not a good judge of that).

To be fair, I didn't really get into the team voting until I became part of a team by hooking up with vudu.  Very few people contacted me - the main one that did was thatguy.  I wasted my first night's save on him.  Khush wasn't an obvious save to me, since, if you check back, you'll see I actually voted to oust him on the first day.

I dropped the ball on GP and you.

GP, I just didn't have any reason to trust what she was saying was true and no one really seemed to come forward to collaborate her story.

You... well, there was a minor communications breakdown between vudu and I.  I thought he was going to tell everyone that he told the doctor to protect you, while I was protecting him to protect both of you from being hit (under the belief we had a mole).  Not only did we not have a mole, but vudu wasn't able to get the message out, so I protected him - I would have protected you, had I known otherwise - thus my kicking of the "doctor" the next day.  Changing your vote from me to DAaaMan made you a dangerous townie that showed you were working with others.  You needed to be killed. I should have been there.

Anywhoo - I voted for vudu and GP.  Without those two, the townies wouldn't have won.  In fact, I harassed Drew into letting us vote for two because I couldn't decide which of the two should win.

[Mop it up]

Everybody unfairly picks on Khushrenada the first day, that's why I think it is worth it to protect him the first night and see what happens. If the Mafia tried to hit him then he'd be a guaranteed townie.

Vudu was a more important player so I can understand that. Too bad you couldn't put together that plan. I'm certainly not going to blame you for my demise because that would be stupid. I knew it was a risk to be making all of those tie-breaking votes but I had to do it because there was nobody else.

I voted for GoldenPhoenix and Vudu as well, though I disagree that the townies wouldn't have won without them. There were plenty of other players who were playing well.