Topic: Sony's Motion in the Blue Ocean

[Ian Sane]

How does the Wii not fall into the "Controller you can feel and see"?  It has force feedback and a physical controller and I can, you know, SEE it.  It's not invisible.

The Move apparently comes out in less than two weeks.  Did you know that?  I sure didn't.  There doesn't seem to be any buzz about it or promotion.

I figured in theory that Move and Kinect would be like a new generation for Sony and MS so they don't have to release a new console.  I still think it would be dumb for them to do so since the hardware jump will be too expensive (and I personally don't want them to do because then Nintendo will be behind AGAIN) but this stuff is going to BOMB.  Move isn't Kinect bad but the whole thing sounds like a complete disaster.  In fact I think Nintendo should be worried because this might sour the general public on motion control altogether.  Motion control has some major kinks in it that even Nintendo can't quite hide.  These guys are going to make those flaws out in the open.

[King of Twitch]

Move and Kinect are going to bomb, therefore Nintendo is doomed and Wii's motion controls are majorly flawed, that's an amazing trick.

[BlackNMild2k1]

It's ok, because in a year (or 2) Nintendo will be on to the next one.

Let's hope Nintendo stays 1 step ahead of whatever MS & Sony have planned.

[Morari]

Move isn't Kinect bad but the whole thing sounds like a complete disaster.  In fact I think Nintendo should be worried because this might sour the general public on motion control altogether.  Motion control has some major kinks in it that even Nintendo can't quite hide.  These guys are going to make those flaws out in the open.

I've thought from early on that this would be my main concern if I were Nintendo. Sony already failed when they tried to outdo the Wii with their Six-Axis junk. Now they're embarrassing themselves with a bunch of junk launch titles for Move. It's too late in the game to not come out of the gate with great software. Nintendo's already done all of the work for them, figuring out a lot of what does and doesn't get by in terms of game design.

[Mop it up]

In fact I think Nintendo should be worried because this might sour the general public on motion control altogether.  Motion control has some major kinks in it that even Nintendo can't quite hide.  These guys are going to make those flaws out in the open.

Considering that some early impressions of Move say it doesn't work very well, that may be Sony's goal all along.

[NWR_insanolord]

In fact I think Nintendo should be worried because this might sour the general public on motion control altogether.  Motion control has some major kinks in it that even Nintendo can't quite hide.  These guys are going to make those flaws out in the open.

Considering that some early impressions of Move say it doesn't work very well, that may be Sony's goal all along.

Sony's not smart enough to come up with a plan like that. They are, however, pretty arrogant, which is why I think they truly believe Move will be a big success.

[Morari]

I suppose we'll see. I have a hard time imagining anyone buying Move though. The started set (which is only one controller and a crappy Wii Sports knock-off) retails for $100. That's on top of an already ridiculously priced console. The casual players that are supposedly into stuff like Move aren't going to shell out $100 just to get a taste, let alone buy the console if their pimple-faced kid doesn't already have it.

[broodwars]

I suppose we'll see. I have a hard time imagining anyone buying Move though. The started set (which is only one controller and a crappy Wii Sports knock-off) retails for $100. That's on top of an already ridiculously priced console. The casual players that are supposedly into stuff like Move aren't going to shell out $100 just to get a taste, let alone buy the console if their pimple-faced kid doesn't already have it. : :

I wouldn't mind buying it for a drastically reduced price just to play RE5 with it, or perhaps Heavy Rain.  Dead Space 2 Move support would be nice, too.

[that Baby guy]

Wow, I definitely wish I knew about that site and those links that BNM mentioned about 20 minutes ago.  I just finished recording a podcast almost all about Move.

Short story?  Not so good at launch.  Maybe get it later.  A lot of the advertised features aren't noticeable or taken advantage of well or at all in launch titles.

[Morari]

I suppose we'll see. I have a hard time imagining anyone buying Move though. The started set (which is only one controller and a crappy Wii Sports knock-off) retails for $100. That's on top of an already ridiculously priced console. The casual players that are supposedly into stuff like Move aren't going to shell out $100 just to get a taste, let alone buy the console if their pimple-faced kid doesn't already have it. : :

I wouldn't mind buying it for a drastically reduced price just to play RE5 with it, or perhaps Heavy Rain.  Dead Space 2 Move support would be nice, too.

RE5 and Dead Space would work about as well as RE4: Wii, I suppose. What I've hear of Heavy Rain's implementation has not been very compelling however.

[BlackNMild2k1]

2 more KB PS Move commercials
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/09/09/playstation-moving-into-your-home-soon/

It's impossible to watch these and not think "WiiHD!?"

[BeautifulShy]

Videos are down.

[King of Twitch]

Great tribute videos! I really felt like I was back in 2006.

[NWR_insanolord]

There was a Kevin Butler Move ad during the NFL opener. I hate what Sony's doing with the Move for a lot of reasons, but Kevin Butler is an awesome spokesman for the company and always makes me laugh.

[Mop it up]

I'd have to agree, I think that Kevin Butler appeals well to the audience Sony is targeting.

[Chozo Ghost]

There was a Kevin Butler Move ad during the NFL opener. I hate what Sony's doing with the Move for a lot of reasons, but Kevin Butler is an awesome spokesman for the company and always makes me laugh.

You know, he's really just an actor who is paid to say whatever he is told to say. He's not a real person, and I doubt Kevin Butler is even the actor's real name. I think I've seen that same actor do commercials for Geico or something a few years back.

[Chozo Ghost]

I'd have to agree, I think that Kevin Butler appeals well to the audience Sony is targeting.

Middle-aged jerks?

[that Baby guy]

I'd have to agree, I think that Kevin Butler appeals well to the audience Sony is targeting.

Middle-aged jerks?

Jerks of all ages!  I think he's funny, but also, a little crass.

[NWR_insanolord]

Sony has a new web site that mocks the idea of gaming without buttons. http://www.yaybuttons.com/

[BlackNMild2k1]

Move has a website and it's hosted by Kevin Butler
http://www.movemadeabsurdlyeasy.com.php5-13.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/#

Here they even take a direct shot at Kinect: LOL
http://www.yaybuttons.com.php5-13.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/

there is even a page that compares Move to Stuff
http://www.movevsstuff.com.php5-13.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/

and it a fair comparison too....

imagine that : : : :

[KDR_11k]

Sony: "We do what Nintendo did 5 years ago!"

[Chozo Ghost]

How does the Wii not fall into the "Controller you can feel and see"?  It has force feedback and a physical controller and I can, you know, SEE it.  It's not invisible.

I think the way Sony weaseled through that is that if you look at that comparison chart you will notice that the Wii remote is not actually there. You see, its Move versus Kinect Versus the Wii, but not the Wii's controller... just the Wii system. So it was a pretty sneaky move that allows them to say something like that without actually technically lying, because the Wii console really doesn't have force feedback and all that. Of course the Wii's controller does, but that's not what Sony is comparisoning here.

And another really good reason why the Wii controller isn't depicted or even mentioned in that is because it would be very embarrassing to Sony to do so, seeing as how Move is such a blatant ripoff of what Nintendo invented 5 years ago. Why would they want to compare Move to it? So comparing Move to the Wii console (not the controller) was probably the wisest thing to do, from their perspective. Of course, the Wii console does come with its power cord, so it earned a checkmark for that.

Did anyone else notice that in the pictures you see a PS3 with Move and a 360 with Kinect, but the poor Wii is all alone with no wiimote? This wasn't an accident. If Sony were ever sued for fraud this is something they could fall back on to "prove" they weren't really lying.

[that Baby guy]

The "feel and see" category is a reference to the fact that the PSEye picks up and displays where the controller is in video form back on screen, probably.  Games like Eyepet and the block-stacking puzzler, Tumble, utilize this to an extent.

The Wii-remote, conversely, isn't picked up by a camera, and therefore, can't be directly pictured on screen in it's real, physical location.  Thus, you can't see it, by Sony's marketing logic.

Not that I'm arguing it isn't faulty logic, I'm just posing why I think they would say that.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Playstation Move bundle..... $699.00 $599.99 @ QVC

Includes:
PlayStation 3 320GB slim gaming bundle
Rachet and Clank Tools of Destruction video game
Sports Champion game
Surf's Up movie
PlayStation Move starter pack with motion controller and eye camera
Deluxe vertical stand
Warrior pack with a shield and sword
Table tennis two pack
Archery bow
Disc golf/bocce ball/volleyball accessory
Four silicone controller skins
PlayStation 3 Blu-ray remote
System case
HDMI cable
Console measures approximately 11-1/2"W x 11-1/2"D x 2-3/4"H
1-year Limited Manufacturer's Warranty
Made in China

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Unbelievable deal people, better get yours while supplies last

[BeautifulShy]

That shield looks like it has a emblem from The Legend of Zelda.