Topic: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

You seriously think that is all?

You're doing a terrible job of selling it and your method of promotion is annoying.

*WHY* should people take interest in it?  You detail nothing, you don't provide selling points, there's no hint of an explanation as to why a potential customer would value it and make it worthy of the steep price of entry (considering how you've been promoting this "bundle" of sorts).  At least be helpful to the sore fence-sitters in this thread.

I did watch the trailer you linked, and I thought "is this coming to DVD soon?"  I chuckled that Super Mario 64 cutscenes had come a long way, but the trailer failed to show me a game.

Strip away the polygons and the textures from the product and try to explain to us "what on earth makes this game's interactivity appealing?"

People will talk about FPS games and discuss level design and multiplayer interactions and whatnot; RPGs bring up spell systems, grinding, level-up pacing, etc...

Don't just come in here go "CUTSCENE! *teehee*!"

[BlackNMild2k1]

Bu..bu..bu.. but Toy Story graphics.... FFXX cutscene.... non-playable 1080p robot demo


but I don have a serious question.
Can you still swap HDD in the PS3slim?

[kraken613]

Yes you can still, if you look at the front on the bottom right there is a slot right there.

That trailer was in game moments just at a different camera angle.

The game looks that good in game. The E3 demo. If all flows together.
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14225971/uncharted-2/videos/e3live_uncharted2_p1.html

I guess you have skipped the multiple list of games.

[NWR_Lindy]

Who here has actually played through Uncharted (not just the demo)?  My guess is hardly anybody, yet people seem to have a pretty concrete opinion about it (based on heresay).  People jumped on me for criticising Galaxy without playing it through, so Uncharted shouldn't be any different.

[kraken613]

I have played the first and its amazing!

Heres the full gameplay demo from E3.
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14225971/uncharted-2/videos/uncharted2_gmp_demo_60209.html

And the full first trailer. There are not many games that have this sense of story telling in them and have a seamless like a movie feel.
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14225971/uncharted-2/videos/uncharted2_trl_e3_060209.html

[NWR_pap64]

Who here has actually played through Uncharted (not just the demo)?  My guess is hardly anybody, yet people seem to have a pretty concrete opinion about it (based on heresay).  People jumped on me for criticising Galaxy without playing it through, so Uncharted shouldn't be any different.

I know friends who have played the game and beaten it. While they loved it they thought the game was too short.

As for the topic, I am VERY happy for this. I've been wanting a PS3 for a while now, but still hated the bulky design and price. Now that its slimmer and cheaper its a must for me.

[NWR_Neal]

I'm not decrying Uncharted (if/when I get a PS3, it'll probably be one of the first games I get), but what's so damn great about having a game that feels like a movie? If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. If I want to play a game, I'll play a game.

Chocolate and peanut butter go together sometimes, but sometimes I just want some chocolate without any peanut butter.

[kraken613]

I know friends who have played the game and beaten it. While they loved it they thought the game was too short.

As for the topic, I am VERY happy for this. I've been wanting a PS3 for a while now, but still hated the bulky design and price. Now that its slimmer and cheaper its a must for me.

It was a bit short. Uncharted 2 will be longer though Naughty Dog says. It should be with 90 minutes of cut scenes.

[NWR_Lindy]

I'm not decrying Uncharted (if/when I get a PS3, it'll probably be one of the first games I get), but what's so damn great about having a game that feels like a movie? If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. If I want to play a game, I'll play a game.

It doesn't "feel like a movie".  For crying out loud, when did every PS3 game become Metal Gear Solid 4?  What makes Uncharted remarkable is how deftly the cut-scenes are interwoven into the gameplay to create one seamless experience.  But then again, people that have actually played the game already know that.

[NWR_Neal]

I'm not decrying Uncharted (if/when I get a PS3, it'll probably be one of the first games I get), but what's so damn great about having a game that feels like a movie? If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. If I want to play a game, I'll play a game.

It doesn't "feel like a movie".  For crying out loud, when did every PS3 game become Metal Gear Solid 4?  What makes Uncharted remarkable is how deftly the cut-scenes are interwoven into the gameplay to create one seamless experience.  But then again, people that have actually played the game already know that.

See, when you say it like that, it makes me really interested in the game.

[Ian Sane]

So much of the thrill of a videogame is the experience of it.  Because of the interaction it connects with you in a way a movie can't.  It's all about YOU.  YOU'RE winning the Superbowl.  YOU'RE the knight slaying the dragon.  YOU'RE the spy saving the hostages.  YOU'RE Earth's last hope against the alien invaders.  Presentation does a lot towards providing the fantasy.  Music, graphics, sound effects and, yes, cutscenes can help create the proper atmosphere.  Now you still need good gameplay and responsive controls and good level design and balanced difficulty.  And sometimes those presentation elements are done in a way that hurts the experience.  But it's all part of it.  When used well a cutscene can help you get into the game better and improve the experience.

Since Nintendo went all Gamecube 1.5 they've de-emphasized the presentation element of videogames so now cutscenes are bad and if a game has good graphics it must suck.  That's idiotic.  Nintendo just wanted to CHEAP out on the hardware to save a few bucks.  Many of Nintendo's classic games (actually practically ALL of them prior to the Wii) were on the cutting edge for presentation.  The N64 didn't have FMV but even then Nintendo was still using cutscenes and pushing the best graphics you could at the time and pushed the hardware to do stuff people didn't expect like full voice acting in Star Fox 64.  No one says that Ocarina of Time is like watching a movie.

I don't know how it all works with Uncharted since I hadn't played it yet.  But it seems like a lot of the flack the HD consoles get is entirely because they do something Nintendo decided not to invest in so as to make a nice profit on the hardware and they're deprograming their fans to no longer like something Nintendo themselves used to see as important.

[NWR_Neal]

I know friends who have played the game and beaten it. While they loved it they thought the game was too short.

As for the topic, I am VERY happy for this. I've been wanting a PS3 for a while now, but still hated the bulky design and price. Now that its slimmer and cheaper its a must for me.

It was a bit short. Uncharted 2 will be longer though Naughty Dog says. It should be with 90 minutes of cut scenes.

The million dollar question with that is this: Would/did you feel cheaped out paying $60 for Uncharted? Did the game end abruptly? Did it not feel complete?

If it felt complete, then who cares if its short.

My viewpoint on game length has changed dramatically since the beginning of my NWR reviewing career (only a year or so, but still). I felt cheaped out by MadWorld's length, but felt like games like Overlord: Dark Legend and Mushroom Men were full, complete games.

[Plugabugz]

I have 5 PS3 games, no PS3. I have been waiting for a price drop since the beginning of the universe.

Now all they have to do is announce a "price drop" which equates to the UK being ripped off as usual and i will return to regularly scheduled slagging within a week.

If you didn't catch the UK price, it's £249.99.

Edit: Here is the price of the PS3 in all regions.

US:$299
Canada $299
Japan:29980 *which is $316 USD*
UK:£249.99
AU:$499.95
NZ: $629

This has be in ultra fits. For the first time, its cheaper to buy it here than in Europe(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[King of Twitch]

Did you try TP or MP3 yet? They've got cutscenes.

[kraken613]

The million dollar question with that is this: Would/did you feel cheaped out paying $60 for Uncharted? Did the game end abruptly? Did it not feel complete?

It felt very complete and I didn't feel cheaped at all.

[NWR_Neal]

Awesome. I'm excited to pick up the first game when I buy a PS3 this fall.

[kraken613]

Also thanks Lindy for putting my thoughts into something that made sense!

[broodwars]

Who here has actually played through Uncharted (not just the demo)?  My guess is hardly anybody, yet people seem to have a pretty concrete opinion about it (based on heresay).  People jumped on me for criticising Galaxy without playing it through, so Uncharted shouldn't be any different.

Every single game I listed way back at the beginning of the topic is a game that I have owned and beaten, including Uncharted.  The length of the game didn't bother me, except that I think Naughty Dog made the game artificially long by forcing you to stop every 3 steps to jump behind cover and take out a seemingly-endless supply of goons.  The constant dying and tedium that resulted from this very nearly ruined the game for me, except that I loved the cutscenes; the humor; and the very Indiana Jones-esque story.

Oh, and I'd like to strangle whoever at Naughty Dog designed the last stage with all those Quick-Time Events and the boss with the sniper rifle + half a dozen goons with shotguns.  Plus, remember James Jones: Box Hunter?  Yeah, what a lame way to design a final stage.

[Caliban]

I would buy the PS3 Slim if I didn't already have a PS3.

[NWR_pap64]

I know friends who have played the game and beaten it. While they loved it they thought the game was too short.

As for the topic, I am VERY happy for this. I've been wanting a PS3 for a while now, but still hated the bulky design and price. Now that its slimmer and cheaper its a must for me.

It was a bit short. Uncharted 2 will be longer though Naughty Dog says. It should be with 90 minutes of cut scenes.

The million dollar question with that is this: Would/did you feel cheaped out paying $60 for Uncharted? Did the game end abruptly? Did it not feel complete?

If it felt complete, then who cares if its short.

My viewpoint on game length has changed dramatically since the beginning of my NWR reviewing career (only a year or so, but still). I felt cheaped out by MadWorld's length, but felt like games like Overlord: Dark Legend and Mushroom Men were full, complete games.

Well, my friend LOVED the game to death, but really hated the fact that he paid 60 bucks for a game that was very short. So he did feel a bit cheapened out by it. And since the game doesn't have multiplayer that I know of the experience is limited.

[Halbred]

Video games (some video games) are becoming better at integrating story sequences into the gameplay. Examples from my own library:

1) Bioshock--nobody does it better.
2) Chronicles of Riddick--very few actual cutscenes. Because the game is in first person, you very often are a part of them.
3) Dead Space--you can still walk around during "cutscenes."

I'm too lazy to think of more. MGS4 feels like a movie because the player has no control during the many, many cutscenes. The narrative structure takes precedence over the player and the playing. That's not how it should be. The longest "cutscene" in Bioshock is also the most revealing. By taking control away from the player Bioshock actually makes a mind-blowing point. Otherwise, the story is told more or less at the player's leisure.

[Ian Sane]

I haven't played MGS4 yet for obvious reasons so I can't comment on it and don't want to hear any spoilers.  But I enjoyed the cutscenes in MGS1&3, even if they were long.  I found the cutscenes in MGS2 tiresome and a pain in the ass.  The difference?  MGS2's story is excruciatingly stupid, boring and confusing.  It was the story equivalent of writing down random big words and calling it poetry.  I didn't want the control taken from me because the parts I played were the only parts that were enjoyable.  But with MGS3 I knew the cutscenes would be entertaining and interesting so they were just part of the game.  The first and third game benefit from a straightforward action movie plot.

I think that makes a world of difference.  Videogame stories usually are really bad.  You often get either a simple "defeat the bad guy" one that doesn't try that hard but is just to tie the game together or a failed attempt at an ambitious story that comes across like wankery tripe written by a 13 year old goth.  If you get the latter it's death.

[Mop it up]

I wouldn't buy it even if it were $100.

And I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Sony "grew" gaming more than Nintendo did. Sony would have never even entered the gaming industry if it weren't for Nintendo. They created a partnership to develop a CD-system add-on for the Super Nintendo, but Nintendo backed out of the deal when Sega's CD add-on failed. Sony took the tech and released it stand-alone as the PlayStation. A couple years later they ripped the analogue stick and rumble pack from Nintendo's 64-bit system and that's when the system sales started to pick up.

Sony's secret to success? Steal ideas from the real pioneers.

I don't see why any of this should affect one's decision to buy a PS3.  So I should only support those that do things first?  Is competency not worth anything?

I was just responding to someone's comment about how Sony deserved credit for advancing gaming. If anything, the only thing I think they deserve credit for is making things worse.

The reason I wouldn't get a PS3 at any price is that there isn't a single exclusive game which interests me. And Blu-ray can suck an egg.

[mac<censored>]

Videogame stories usually are really bad .... or a failed attempt at an ambitious story that comes across like wankery tripe written by a 13 year old goth.

Ah -- Square!

[Deguello]

I think I'll respond to Ian's cinematic Strawman post by saying that just because Pro doesn't like cutscenes, that doesn't mean he's been brainwashed by Nintendo, and by proxy that does not mean Nintendo has ever deemphasized cutscenes.  (If they did, they certainly had a funny way of showing it by having Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Zelda: TP, Wario Land, and several of their DS games all have numerous cutscenes.)  Just because they aren't 30 minutes long doesn't mean they aren't "serious" cutscenes.  Whatever that means.