Author Topic: New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Read 280067 times)

BeautifulShy · « **Reply #775 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:58:50 PM »

Quote from: kraken613 on November 13, 2009, 04:55:25 PM

How do some of you guys have it already?

Well some are Aussies and the game was released on the 10th over there.In the states some stores have broken the street date of the 15th.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #776 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:20:45 PM »

Quote from: kraken613 on November 13, 2009, 04:55:25 PM

How do some of you guys have it already?

It is out in Europe I think and probably some stores have broken the street date.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #777 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:34:40 PM »

AUSTRALIAAAAAAAAAAA

Mop it up · « **Reply #778 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:54:50 PM »

Quote from: Peachylala on November 13, 2009, 11:54:01 AM

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Though I agree that there should've been online multiplayer and saveable run-throughs,

This person must find himself disappointed a LOT.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #779 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:25:10 PM »

Good god that IGN review is terrible. So according to Craig Harris, New Super Mario Bros Wii is the greatest 2D Mario ever made but because it doesn't have online, something no other Mario game has ever had, he gives it an 8.9 just to be an ass hat. Not to mention Craig is the same guy who gave New Super Mario Bros DS a 9.5 back in 2006. Yet in this review, he says that New Super Mario Bros Wii is a better game then New Super Mario Bros DS.

So by Craig's logic, a 8.9 is greater then a 9.5.

And before someone says it's the review that's important and not the score, the scores should at least make some sense with what the actual review says. To say that NSMBW is the greatest 2d Mario game ever made and better then the previous 2d Mario that the same guy gave a 9.5 to only 3 years earlier, but then give it a 8.9 because it lacks something no other Mario game has ever had before is just beyond stupid and pathetic.

D_Average · « **Reply #780 on:** November 13, 2009, 11:35:12 PM »

I don't have a problem with the online thing in his review, but stating its the best mario game ever seems a bit silly. Unlike the nes, and snes iterations of 2D Mario, this game seems as though it doesn't really have a soul. Like Mario Bros DS, it comes across as a bit synthetic. Don't get me wrong, the DS platforming was fun, but the overall look and sounds of the game lacked the personality that Mario 2, 3 and World had.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #781 on:** November 13, 2009, 11:46:28 PM »

Quote from: D_Average on November 13, 2009, 11:35:12 PM

I don't have a problem with the online thing in his review, but stating its the best mario game ever seems a bit silly. Unlike the nes, and snes iterations of 2D Mario, this game seems as though it doesn't really have a soul. Like Mario Bros DS, it comes across as a bit synthetic. Don't get me wrong, the DS platforming was fun, but the overall look and sounds of the game lacked the personality that Mario 2, 3 and World had.

have you played the game?

Dasmos · « **Reply #782 on:** November 13, 2009, 11:54:14 PM »

Quote from: BlackNMild2k1 on November 13, 2009, 11:46:28 PM

Quote from: D_Average on November 13, 2009, 11:35:12 PM
I don't have a problem with the online thing in his review, but stating its the best mario game ever seems a bit silly. Unlike the nes, and snes iterations of 2D Mario, this game seems as though it doesn't really have a soul. Like Mario Bros DS, it comes across as a bit synthetic. Don't get me wrong, the DS platforming was fun, but the overall look and sounds of the game lacked the personality that Mario 2, 3 and World had.

have you played the game?

he can't, his thumbs are too big.

broodwars · « **Reply #783 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:32:56 AM »

Quote from: Luigi Dude on November 13, 2009, 09:25:10 PM

Good god that IGN review is terrible. So according to Craig Harris, New Super Mario Bros Wii is the greatest 2D Mario ever made but because it doesn't have online, something no other Mario game has ever had, he gives it an 8.9 just to be an ass hat. Not to mention Craig is the same guy who gave New Super Mario Bros DS a 9.5 back in 2006. Yet in this review, he says that New Super Mario Bros Wii is a better game then New Super Mario Bros DS.

So by Craig's logic, a 8.9 is greater then a 9.5.

It's 3 years later and online means more to the console experience that it currently does to handhelds. Stop whining about the score, since it's obvious you were always going to buy it anyway (as will most people). Besides, it's not like no one could have guessed that in a game focused on multiplayer that online was going to be the elephant in the room for reviewers.

Peachylala · « **Reply #784 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:56:13 AM »

Our whining is logical when this is the same media outlet that drops 10s like candy on Halloween.

And Infernal's review shits bricks on IGN's review. Closing comment wins the internet.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #785 on:** November 14, 2009, 01:31:20 AM »

I disagree, to an extent, about the "soul" bit. I'd have to say, if anything, it's that in some worlds, the theme is underused, and that because of this, some individual stages come across as unmemorable. It's a great game, but to really get the best feeling from it, it has to be played with at least two players. Once you experience the game in multiplayer, it really takes on a life of it's own, that doesn't really compare to other Mario Bros. experiences in a way most of us are familiar with.

I'm glad it doesn't have online, because this is exactly the type of game online play can literally rip the soul out of. I'll say that.

Caterkiller · « **Reply #786 on:** November 14, 2009, 01:42:44 AM »

I like that review allot. Only cause it didn't wine about online the whole time.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #787 on:** November 14, 2009, 02:24:11 PM »

When Miyamoto said the Wii's hardware couldn't handle the game online, he wasn't lying. If you look at the amount of stuff going on in the later stages of this game, if this game was to be played with 4 players online, the lag would be so ridiculous it'd make Brawl's online look flawless.

In a Mario platformer like this where you're forced to make tricky jumps and avoid lots of enemies, you just can't have any lag, period. I've seen some of the later stages in this game and the way these stages are designed and the amount of stuff going on, even the smallest amount of lag would make some of them virtually impossible to play.

This is what the people who are b!tching about no online need to realize.

Mop it up · « **Reply #788 on:** November 14, 2009, 02:53:29 PM »

I don't think it is fair to complain about and knock points off a review score because of the lack of online play. This game should NOT be faulted because it doesn't include a feature which would in no way change the gameplay and would absolutely not work.

I've also never been a fan of pre-rendered graphics, they have never seemed as lively as sprites.

rbtr · « **Reply #789 on:** November 14, 2009, 05:51:10 PM »

Luckily for you these models aren't pre-rendered.

Mop it up · « **Reply #790 on:** November 14, 2009, 06:20:58 PM »

Are you sure? Because they certainly look like it. In any case, they don't look very good.

rbtr · « **Reply #791 on:** November 14, 2009, 06:54:19 PM »

Unless my understanding of this is completely wrong, which is likely, feel free to correct me.

These models are being rendered as you play. The sprites in donkey kong (which were sprites) were created by first rendering the model, and then animating it, and taking pictured of that animation to create the frames for the sprites. The SNES couldn't render them in real time, but it didn't need to as the models were "pre-rendered" before they got to the SNES. I never understood why the graphics in donkey kong country were so great, it wasn't pushing the SNES in the least.

What we have in NSMBW are 3-d models which are rendered and animated in real time by the Wii.

I understood what you were getting at though, and I'm not trying to be a jerk. You don't like 3-d models, and much prefer the hand animated sprites. I agree. But 3-d models offer a range of advantages that sprites will never hope to achieve.

Mop it up · « **Reply #792 on:** November 14, 2009, 06:58:41 PM »

I think you're right, the game uses 3D models. I've seen only screenshots so I didn't know.

I'd say that 2D and 3D both have advantages and disadvantages. 3D is easier to animate but 2D seems more lively and artistic.

D_Average · « **Reply #793 on:** November 14, 2009, 07:09:02 PM »

Quote from: Peachylala on November 14, 2009, 12:56:13 AM

Our whining is logical when this is the same media outlet that drops 10s like candy on Halloween.

Wikipedia begs to differ:

"IGN rarely gives a game a perfect 10. Some of the games that received a 10/10 score are Super Mario Bros. Deluxe for the Game Boy Color, Soul Calibur for Dreamcast, Pokémon Red and Blue for Game Boy,The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for Nintendo 64, Link's Awakening DX for Game Boy Color, The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages for Game Boy Color, Metal Gear Solid for the GameBoy Color, and Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Adventure for the Neo Geo Pocket Color.Two more games were awarded perfect 10s in 2008, Grand Theft Auto IV,and Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. "

That's one decade of $%##y Halloween's.

In terms of the online debate, I think its a fair criticism on this game. Was it not Reggie who boldy stated at E3 2008 that "Nintendo takes online play very seriously" and the only reason we don't notice it is "we're not paying attention." Well, if you make a statement like that, its perfectly reasonable to expect Nintendo games to include online functionality that kicks a%% and take names.

Like most other online games, being the the same room is usually more fun, but what about people with friends and family in different states? So sad they can't eat mushrooms together.

UncleBob · « **Reply #794 on:** November 14, 2009, 07:42:34 PM »

Just beat level 1. Game is full of awesome.

Adrock · « **Reply #795 on:** November 14, 2009, 08:03:17 PM »

The lack of online is kind of lame.... but the lack of Daisy is just plain inexcusable. This game suggests that 2 ordinary Toads have the exact same attributes as Mario and Luigi. If they were going to do that, they might as well have let us play as Wario and Daisy. "We would have to have special processing and programming to handle how the skirt is handled within the gameplay." F*ck, man, just say your team was lazy and stop patronizing us.

broodwars · « **Reply #796 on:** November 14, 2009, 08:08:26 PM »

Quote from: Adrock on November 14, 2009, 08:03:17 PM

The lack of online is kind of lame.... but the lack of Daisy is just plain inexcusable. This game suggests that 2 ordinary Toads have the exact same attributes as Mario and Luigi. If they were going to do that, they might as well have let us play as Wario and Daisy. "We would have to have special processing and programming to handle how the skirt is handled within the gameplay." F*ck, man, just say your team was lazy and stop patronizing us.

Indeed, Nintendo took the easy route with this game in that aspect. They could have used either Daisy or Rosalina, and either would have been suitable instead of generic "Toads".

Mop it up · « **Reply #797 on:** November 14, 2009, 09:48:19 PM »

Quote from: Luigi Dude on November 13, 2009, 09:25:10 PM

So according to Craig Harris, New Super Mario Bros Wii is the greatest 2D Mario ever made but because it doesn't have online, something no other Mario game has ever had, he gives it an 8.9 just to be an ass hat. Not to mention Craig is the same guy who gave New Super Mario Bros DS a 9.5 back in 2006. Yet in this review, he says that New Super Mario Bros Wii is a better game then New Super Mario Bros DS.

I'm not sure if I agree with this.

The thing is, the two games are on two different platforms. The way I see review scores, they are there to compare games against other games on that same platform, as well as against that system's capabilities. New Super Mario Brothers may have used the DS to its fullest with its graphics and features, but I'm not so sure that New Super Mario Brothers on Wii does the same. So, a game worthy of 9.5 on DS may not translate to a 9.5 on Wii. I'll have to play it first to determine that of course.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #798 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:40:13 AM »

I hate to say it, but playing multiplayer, I'm shocked at how well the Toads fit in. I would like more, but I'm wowed by how well they just mesh. I have been since I've begun to use one of them!

Mop it up · « **Reply #799 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:05:54 AM »

Is your character based on which player you are or can you select which one you want to use?

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