Topic: Metroid Other M

[DAaaMan64]

nvm. I'll wait for the review lol.

[Mop it up]

Not that I've seen, sadly. What fanservice there is (and there's a fail amount) references the other 2D games.

To me, a "fail" amount of fanservice would be a lot. I am assuming you are saying there is very little.

[DAaaMan64]

Not that I've seen, sadly. What fanservice there is (and there's a fail amount) references the other 2D games.

To me, a "fail" amount of fanservice would be a lot. I am assuming you are saying there is very little.

Yeah I agree with Mop. 

Also, I'm assuming the FPS switching in Other M would be you know, completely inspired by the Prime series. -_-

[broodwars]

Not that I've seen, sadly. What fanservice there is (and there's a fail amount) references the other 2D games.

To me, a "fail" amount of fanservice would be a lot. I am assuming you are saying there is very little.

Yeah I agree with Mop. 

Also, I'm assuming the FPS switching in Other M would be you know, completely inspired by the Prime series. -_-

Judging by the reviews, if the whole FPS functionality is supposed to be an homage to the Prime games, Retro Studios should feel insulted due to how that feature turned out.   : : :   I was more talking about something like name drops or creature references anyway.  It just seems odd to me that you have these 3 huge events Samus took part in in the Prime trilogy that have never been mentioned in Fusion and Other M.  At least Zero Mission did a tip of the hat to the first Prime with the canon-ization of Samus' childhood, but that was also in the Nintendo Power comic series anyway.

Speaking of which, I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen that comic book reprinted for Club Nintendo or something.  I remember it being easily the best of the ones that the magazine ran in its heyday (followed by Star Fox).  I have the Super Mario World one, though, and that one's just weird.

[balzzzy]

You will stop caring the second Samus says "the Deleter."

I thought the cringe line was "Confession time". You know this voice actress also did the British voice of Krystal in Star Fox for the Cube, she wasn't that great in that game either.

FORTUNATELY, after beating the game, Samus actually returns to the Bottle Ship, and you can explore the entire ship AT YOUR LEISURE with all your power-ups available. Now you can get all the items you couldn't before, there's actually a second ending (that's better), and at least one absolutely wonderful bit of fanservice during that particular sequence.

If only there were one final run through before you beat it.

[DAaaMan64]

You will stop caring the second Samus says "the Deleter."

I thought the cringe line was "Confession time". You know this voice actress also did the British voice of Krystal in Star Fox for the Cube, she wasn't that great in that game either.

FORTUNATELY, after beating the game, Samus actually returns to the Bottle Ship, and you can explore the entire ship AT YOUR LEISURE with all your power-ups available. Now you can get all the items you couldn't before, there's actually a second ending (that's better), and at least one absolutely wonderful bit of fanservice during that particular sequence.

If only there were one final run through before you beat it.

Nah that would be a pace killer. Like getting all the tribals before the final boss in JFG.


The dialog is not all perfect, there are a couple of lines that aren't great.  But its the best Nintendo has ever done and I would call it over all a good story and good voice acting. Halbred complains of sci-fi stereotypes, well I don't watch much sci-fi so I wouldn't know.

[MegaByte]

You know this voice actress also did the British voice of Krystal in Star Fox for the Cube, she wasn't that great in that game either.

Where did you hear that?  The credits list somebody completely different.

[Killer_Man_Jaro]

FORTUNATELY, after beating the game, Samus actually returns to the Bottle Ship, and you can explore the entire ship AT YOUR LEISURE with all your power-ups available. Now you can get all the items you couldn't before, there's actually a second ending (that's better), and at least one absolutely wonderful bit of fanservice during that particular sequence.

Get through the terrible story mode for the wonderful post-game stuff.

Nice, very nice. That's not a feature I've seen mentioned in any other reviews. We have observed in the past that some publications are not really exhaustive when reviewing a game, but seriously, the fact that nobody else seems to have played beyond the credits is not good. Post-game content should always be noted.

[GoldenPhoenix]

You will stop caring the second Samus says "the Deleter."

I thought the cringe line was "Confession time". You know this voice actress also did the British voice of Krystal in Star Fox for the Cube, she wasn't that great in that game either.

FORTUNATELY, after beating the game, Samus actually returns to the Bottle Ship, and you can explore the entire ship AT YOUR LEISURE with all your power-ups available. Now you can get all the items you couldn't before, there's actually a second ending (that's better), and at least one absolutely wonderful bit of fanservice during that particular sequence.

If only there were one final run through before you beat it.

Nah that would be a pace killer. Like getting all the tribals before the final boss in JFG.


The dialog is not all perfect, there are a couple of lines that aren't great.  But its the best Nintendo has ever done and I would call it over all a good story and good voice acting. Halbred complains of sci-fi stereotypes, well I don't watch much sci-fi so I wouldn't know.

Seriously about any HD game out there has sci-fi stereotypes if it is a sci-fi based game. Not saying it is good, but it isn't something totally out of place. Heck Halo has a cliche sci-fi story with elements from the genre blended throughout it. It is looking more and more like a game I need to play for myself, too many difference of opinion on how good the story is.

[DAaaMan64]

You will stop caring the second Samus says "the Deleter."

I thought the cringe line was "Confession time". You know this voice actress also did the British voice of Krystal in Star Fox for the Cube, she wasn't that great in that game either.

FORTUNATELY, after beating the game, Samus actually returns to the Bottle Ship, and you can explore the entire ship AT YOUR LEISURE with all your power-ups available. Now you can get all the items you couldn't before, there's actually a second ending (that's better), and at least one absolutely wonderful bit of fanservice during that particular sequence.

If only there were one final run through before you beat it.

Nah that would be a pace killer. Like getting all the tribals before the final boss in JFG.


The dialog is not all perfect, there are a couple of lines that aren't great.  But its the best Nintendo has ever done and I would call it over all a good story and good voice acting. Halbred complains of sci-fi stereotypes, well I don't watch much sci-fi so I wouldn't know.

Seriously about any HD game out there has sci-fi stereotypes if it is a sci-fi based game. Not saying it is good, but it isn't something totally out of place. Heck Halo has a cliche sci-fi story with elements from the genre blended throughout it. It is looking more and more like a game I need to play for myself, too many difference of opinion on how good the story is.

Well the right answer always is play it yourself. But like I said, between 4 of us, we were all pleasantly surprised by the story.

[Chozo Ghost]

and although I think the events of the final battle are just as overblown in the fan community as the death of a certain flower girl, it is handled well.

Dude, it was cool as sh*t in 1994. You had to be there.

QFT x Infinity

Someone who never played Super Metroid back in its day and plays it now and judges it to be crap is no different than someone who never played Super Mario Bros from the NES, but then the play it and they say it sucks because its not quite the same as modern Mario games so they expected something very different. A lot of gamers today were either not even born yet in 1994, or if they were they were far too young to have played or remembered Super Metroid. So you do have a lot of people like Broodwars out there that have never played the original Metroids, but they have played the Prime games, so they get an idea of what Metroid should be from Prime and then they are left disappointed when the original Metroids are very different.

I'm the exact opposite, because I started with the old school Metroids, so for me the disappointment is in how the Prime games fail to match the originals in certain respects. I do understand how Prime players would play Super Metroid and feel unimpressed by the plot/story of the game, but the main reason for that is because the modern Metroid games have basically used the same plot as that, so it doesn't leave much surprises for them. But its important to keep in mind that the original Metroid games were where it all started, so if that was the first Metroid you ever played then you would have a far more favorable opinion of it because the whole experience would have been new and original to you and you wouldn't have shrugged it off as just another clone in the franchise.

My 2 cents.

[Sundoulos]

Initial review done, but it's too raw. I'm gonna re-write tomorrow, and it will be up before you all run out and buy the game.

I personally hope you'll write the review so that it's interrupted by your internal monologue.  (e.g. "Confession Time:  " ).   

It's too bad to hear that the story didn't really click with a lot of people.   Based on what I have seen, I think I'm still going to have a lot of fun with the game;  a lot of it seems to remind me of some sort of weird hybrid of 2D platformer, Resident Evil, and Metal Gear Solid.

[gbuell]

I almost always buy the new games in Nintendo's big 3 franchises very quickly, but this one is going to get a rental first, based on the iffiness of several early reports. However, based my past history of liking games that a lot of other Nintendo fans dislike (Star Fox Command and Phantom Hourglass come to mind), I bet I'll end up really enjoying this anyway.

[FZeroBoyo]

So such a move on Samus' character could be the reason why heavy stories don't work well in Nintendo franchises. Sure, Zelda has a semi-epic story but wasn't the end to Twilight Princess a little too predictable? And with Galaxy 2, it didn't have a good beginning and ending like its predecessor had but the team's goal was just putting in some awesome levels. Someone said that Nintendo has been about gameplay above all other aspects and that doesn't look to be the point with Other M, as IGN points out in their review.

[broodwars]

Someone who never played Super Metroid back in its day and plays it now and judges it to be crap is no different than someone who never played Super Mario Bros from the NES, but then the play it and they say it sucks because its not quite the same as modern Mario games so they expected something very different. A lot of gamers today were either not even born yet in 1994, or if they were they were far too young to have played or remembered Super Metroid. So you do have a lot of people like Broodwars out there that have never played the original Metroids, but they have played the Prime games, so they get an idea of what Metroid should be from Prime and then they are left disappointed when the original Metroids are very different.

Alright, when have I ever on these forums posted that Super Metroid was "crap"?  I don't care much for it, that's true, but I can respect what it did for gaming (now the original Metroid I do gladly call "crap") and for its time it was excellent.  2D Metroid really isn't my thing, primarily since the "exploration" basically boils down to shooting or bombing every block on the screen until something happens (plus, I suck trying to manage the shinespark).  There's just something about the 2D Metroids that makes them unengaging for me, with the exception of Zero Mission, and to be honest I'm really not sure what it is.  The atmosphere is usually fine, the music decent-to-excellent, the action fun, and in the modern games the story is serviceable enough.  Despite that, there's just something about the 2D Metroids that turns me off.
 
Also, while it's true that Metroid Prime is the game that got me interested in the series again, I've been playing games since the NES days (including the original Metroid, though I never got far in it).  I'm certainly no stranger to games like that.

[Nick DiMola]

I'm curious to see what everyone here thinks about the game when they play it. After Chessa and I finished it, it was pretty clear that it was going to be divisive amongst fans of the series.

Like I said to a friend of mine about the game, it's probably one of the worst Metroid games to come out, but easily the best work of Team Ninja to date. Both Chessa and I really enjoyed the game, but it fails on a variety of points at being a good Metroid game, namely exploration, which like Zach said, is only truly unlocked after you beat the game.

I think part of the problem is that the game was released after the Prime series. Other M in comparison to those games feels like a step back. I believe that if Other M were to have released on the N64 and directly followed up Super Metroid, it would still be praised today as one of the best games in the series. As it stands, Other M had some big shoes to fill, and in my opinion, it didn't quite make it.

It will be interesting to see where the series goes next after this title. I'm curious to see how much Nintendo carries over to the subsequent titles in the series, and if they will allow Team Ninja to work on the series again. Anyhow, if anyone is interested in some deeper thoughts on the title, Chessa posted the review over at PixlBit.

[Sundoulos]

The wall jump is about skill and timing. It doesn't do it for you the way modern games do. If you are unfamiliar with how old school games work then I'm not surprised you don't like it, because you're judging it through the lens of a modern gamer.

Like I said, I know how to execute the move (twirl-jump into a wall, let go of the D-pad, and then hit the D-pad in the opposite direction and hit the jump button): it just doesn't work most of the time I do it.

Yes, and it's not so much old-school design as frustrating design.  Earlier games, such as Batman and Ninja Gaiden for the NES, and the Mega Man X series for the SNES, had wall jumps that were much easier to pull off... so, why is Super Metroid's comparatively difficult? 

Broodwars, you aren't alone; I've seen others complain about this as well.   

@ Nick, you're probably right.  The biggest obstacle to Other M's success is that it's billed as a Metroid sequel; it's being largely accepted or rejected according to people's perceptions about what  a Metroid game should be.   Whether or not it's a good game, it seems to fail to meet the expectations of many of the existing fans.

I'm curious about what my own reaction will be.  I still love the original 2D metroids, but,  try as I might, I've never been able to get invested into the Prime series.  I've owned and played each of them, but I don't think I've ever made it to the end without losing interest.

[Chozo Ghost]

If this game ends up being a bomb and if everyone ends up hating the storyline and the voice acting, then all Nintendo needs to do is reject it from the Metroid canon and quietly sweep it under the rug and never speak of it again. That's exactly what they did with the CD-I Zelda games, which were very different from the other Zelda games and introduced a lot of new stuff. Nintendo never speaks of those games anymore, and there is no apparent plans to ever re-release them on the VC or otherwise.

So if Metroid M is absolutely terrible, Nintendo could always do that with it and then save the franchise from total ruin.

[broodwars]

If this game ends up being a bomb and if everyone ends up hating the storyline and the voice acting, then all Nintendo needs to do is reject it from the Metroid canon and quietly sweep it under the rug and never speak of it again.

In other words, exactly what happened with Metroid Prime Hunters?   

[gbuell]

If this game ends up being a bomb and if everyone ends up hating the storyline and the voice acting, then all Nintendo needs to do is reject it from the Metroid canon and quietly sweep it under the rug and never speak of it again. That's exactly what they did with the CD-I Zelda games, which were very different from the other Zelda games and introduced a lot of new stuff.

Those CD-I games weren't even on a Nintendo console. I think it would be a lot more difficult to sweep a game under the rug that appeared on their flagship console. However, even if this game is bad, I don't see any need to sweep anything under the rug. I don't think bad games "ruin" a franchise, because every game in a franchise should be judged solely on its own merits. Star Fox Adventures doesn't "ruin" Star Fox 64, or any subsequent Star Fox game that may or may not be awesome, or the franchise as a whole.

[DAaaMan64]

This isn't a bad game. Its just a very different Metroid/Nintendo game with a few flaws.

[TJ Spyke]

Yeah, but they appear to be major flaws based on the reviews. It looks like my original plan to wait for it to drop to $30 was a good one as the flaws mentioned do not make me willing to pay $54 for it.

[Caterkiller]

IGN reviews it pretty positively. It gets an 8.5 and this guy makes it sound like a blast. Regardless it sounds good enough for me, can't wait to play it. Though whole Fusion esc upgrade system is lame though, oh well.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/111/1111849p1.html

[Chozo Ghost]

I don't think bad games "ruin" a franchise, because every game in a franchise should be judged solely on its own merits. Star Fox Adventures doesn't "ruin" Star Fox 64, or any subsequent Star Fox game that may or may not be awesome, or the franchise as a whole.

But the issue with Other M is it is a heavily story based game covering Samus' beginnings (from what I understand anyway), and it is also the first time we have heard Samus' voice. So that's two things there which go beyond the game itself and have a deep impact on the entire franchise as a whole. That's what I'm trying to say here. If its a good story and good voice then it isn't a problem, even if the gameplay sucks. But on the other hand, if there are problems in this storyline then the franchise as a whole could suffer, because the storyline is what its all about and future games will be built with that storyline in mind.

That's why I'm saying if it sucks then it should probably be thrown out and started over, just like how that new Star Trek movie rebooted the entire franchise.

[TJ Spyke]

Except the new Trek movie didn't technically reboot anything, it takes place in a alternate timeline (the real timeline remains intact, although the movie did have the real Romulus be destroyed).

Also, if anything they would just throw out Other M and pretend it didn't happen.