Topic: Sony's secret weapon is PS3 Slim... Jim?

[NWR_insanolord]

And it'd have 6 prongs and 4 sticks.

No, but it would probably need 2 D-Pads, something the people who love to bash Nintendo would be quick to point out is a blatant ripoff of the WonderSwan.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Back when there was heavy speculation for the Revolution & its controller, I always imagined a GC style controller with a rotatable left side so you could put either the d-pad or the analog stick in the dominant position. Same goes for the buttons & 2nd joystick on the right side. & replace that retarded yellow nub with an actual thumb stick.

I would also imagine two analog triggers on either side positioned for the middle fingers to use in their natural position, with the L & R buttons up on top like normal. Z button was out of place for comfortable use on the GC pad. I think that would be a perfect way to blend the GC & N64 pads.

Also makes it the most customizable pad for every type of game.

[NWR_insanolord]

To take that a step further, why not make it so it separates in the middle into 2 parts, one for each hand, each containing an accelerometer, gyroscope, and infrared pointer.


We've just created the concept for the most expensive game controller ever.

[GoldenPhoenix]

If you guys keep this truth in mind, you will never wonder about Sony's design decisions:

They don't innovate until someone else does it first and they can copy them (if it is a stand out concept like the analog stick or ::shudders:: motion control).

[NWR_insanolord]

I usually hate Sony's tendency to rip off other companies' ideas, but I am 100% in favor of them ripping off the GameCube or Xbox 360 controller in terms of layout and ergonomics.

[TJ Spyke]

What's simply bizarre is that Sony has retained this horrible, horrible, dpad, in the sweet spot on all their controllers, for 15 years.  Even worse, Sony made exactly the same idiotic control mistakes with the PSP (which is a new system with a different control scheme, so much less affected by compatibility concerns) -- an awful dpad, in the "main position", and an awkwardly-placed analog controller seemingly tossed in at the last moment as an afterthought.

I think the reason for the lack of imagination or innovation in Sony's controllers probably has a lot to do with video games being a major after thought to the company. They started out making TVs and VCRs and crap like that, and that's what drives their thinking even today. They really shouldn't be in the video gaming industry at all, and the reason they are is because of their work with Nintendo on that SNES CD addon which never came about, and this was repackaged and released as the PS1 which was successful because of good timing, luck, and stupidity of Nintendo and other companies in that era. So they really shouldn't be in the industry at all, and their dominance of being the market leader has been a position they never really deserved because its all based on ripping off Nintendo's ideas and being lucky.

But I would beat that the Sony executives don't actually even play video games, not even their own. They are more concerned about Blu-ray and other consumer electronics and the PS3 was just a means to an end, with that end being Blu-ray winning over HD-DVD. Well, they've achieved that end (unfortunately) but the cost was them dropping from 1st place to 3rd place in the console wars.

But I don't think they really even care... Sony treats its fans as cows for them to milk off of, which is also true of Nintendo somewhat, but at least Nintendo is completely game oriented and actually invests in innovative control methods and game concepts. Every Nintendo system has seen a different controller setup than the last. When the Wii 2 comes out you can be sure that it will feature some new controller method, but as for the PS4 its probably going to be the same boring old Dualshock/SIXAXIS piece of crap that they've stuck with since they ripped the idea off of the SNES.
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It's only stupid looking back. If you go back and check out what the situation was at the time you would have done the same thing as Nintendo. Sony would have had total freedom over games released on the CD-ROM add-on and made money from games released for it (even Nintendo's). Sony has did not have a good record as a developer as most of the games they had published had been pretty bad. The deal with Philips would have been better for them.

[BlackNMild2k1]

What's simply bizarre is that Sony has retained this horrible, horrible, dpad, in the sweet spot on all their controllers, for 15 years.  Even worse, Sony made exactly the same idiotic control mistakes with the PSP (which is a new system with a different control scheme, so much less affected by compatibility concerns) -- an awful dpad, in the "main position", and an awkwardly-placed analog controller seemingly tossed in at the last moment as an afterthought.

I think the reason for the lack of imagination or innovation in Sony's controllers probably has a lot to do with video games being a major after thought to the company. They started out making TVs and VCRs and crap like that, and that's what drives their thinking even today. They really shouldn't be in the video gaming industry at all, and the reason they are is because of their work with Nintendo on that SNES CD addon which never came about, and this was repackaged and released as the PS1 which was successful because of good timing, luck, and stupidity of Nintendo and other companies in that era. So they really shouldn't be in the industry at all, and their dominance of being the market leader has been a position they never really deserved because its all based on ripping off Nintendo's ideas and being lucky.

But I would beat that the Sony executives don't actually even play video games, not even their own. They are more concerned about Blu-ray and other consumer electronics and the PS3 was just a means to an end, with that end being Blu-ray winning over HD-DVD. Well, they've achieved that end (unfortunately) but the cost was them dropping from 1st place to 3rd place in the console wars.

But I don't think they really even care... Sony treats its fans as cows for them to milk off of, which is also true of Nintendo somewhat, but at least Nintendo is completely game oriented and actually invests in innovative control methods and game concepts. Every Nintendo system has seen a different controller setup than the last. When the Wii 2 comes out you can be sure that it will feature some new controller method, but as for the PS4 its probably going to be the same boring old Dualshock/SIXAXIS piece of crap that they've stuck with since they ripped the idea off of the SNES.

It's only stupid looking back. If you go back and check out what the situation was at the time you would have done the same thing as Nintendo. Sony would have had total freedom over games released on the CD-ROM add-on and made money from games released for it (even Nintendo's). Sony has did not have a good record as a developer as most of the games they had published had been pretty bad. The deal with Philips would have been better for them.

I'm sorry but I had to fix that for you, i thought I was having a case of dejavu.

[NWR_Lindy]

My ruthless, money-grubbing corporation can beat up your ruthless, money-grubbing corporation.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Oh yeah! Well my money-grubbin corporation is more ruthless than your money-grubbin corporation.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Oh yeah! Well my money-grubbin corporation is more ruthless than your money-grubbin corporation.

Not to mention mine can innovate!

[BlackNMild2k1]

Now that we know the PSPGo is gonna cost TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY US DOLLARS, what do you think that means for a PS3Slim?

$499.99?
$449.99?
$399.99?

Place your bets people.

[vudu]

Same price.  They're not adding anything to the PS3 Slim, right?  Then why would it be more?  The only reason the PSPGo is to freaking much is because of the 16 GB of RAM.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

"They're not adding anything to the PS3 Slim, right?"

They're adding improvements.

[BlackNMild2k1]

16 gigs of Ram aint that expensive... well not it they went with SD flash instead of Memstick flash.
And the fact that they got rid of the UMD drive and slimmed down the overall package using a smaller screen and everything, you think it would have cost the same too.

Besides we all know Sony like to charge a premium for anything that it can (Memstick, PSPGo, PS3, Vaio, Bravia), so why would PS3slim be any different?

[vudu]

Besides we all know Sony like to charge a premium for anything that it can (Memstick, PSPGo, PS3, Vaio, Bravia), so why would PS3slim be any different?

Was the PSOne more expensive than the original PlayStation?  No.  Why the PS3 Slimline more expensive then the original PS2?  No.

So why would the PS3 Slim be any more expensive than the PS3?

[BlackNMild2k1]

Because regardless of all the positive sales talk and "record sales" from the conference, Sony posted its first loss in 14 years and needs money.
PSPGo got reset to original PSP launch price, but I'm not expecting that with the PS3 slim.

Besides, I didn't didn't even state a price for the PS3slim, just listed out some options, but the PS3 is $399 right now and most people find that too expensive especially in this WW economy, so launching the PS3slim at the same premium price isn't really gonna help anybody change their mind unless they lower the price of the old PS3 to push them out the door.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Because regardless of all the positive sales talk and "record sales" from the conference, Sony posted its first loss in 14 years and needs money.
PSPGo got reset to original PSP launch price, but I'm not expecting that with the PS3 slim.

Besides, I didn't didn't even state a price for the PS3slim, just listed out some options, but the PS3 is $399 right now and most people find that too expensive especially in this WW economy, so launching the PS3slim at the same premium price isn't really gonna help anybody change their mind unless they lower the price of the old PS3 to push them out the door.

Sony doesn't need to adjust their price, their STELLAR lineup like Ice Age will sell systems all by itself.

[Stratos]

Because regardless of all the positive sales talk and "record sales" from the conference, Sony posted its first loss in 14 years and needs money.
PSPGo got reset to original PSP launch price, but I'm not expecting that with the PS3 slim.

Besides, I didn't didn't even state a price for the PS3slim, just listed out some options, but the PS3 is $399 right now and most people find that too expensive especially in this WW economy, so launching the PS3slim at the same premium price isn't really gonna help anybody change their mind unless they lower the price of the old PS3 to push them out the door.

Sony doesn't need to adjust their price, their STELLAR lineup like Ice Age will sell systems all by itself.

They need MGS5 to save them. Since the 360 MGS wasn't MGS4 I need to get a PS3 at some point.

[Chozo Ghost]

Sony must make some more Spider Man movies so they can bundle them with this new revision. That was the only way they were able to make the PSP and the PS3 the success that they are. Then they can also generate some controversy (and thus sales) by coming out with a "PS3 Slim White" and launching a racist ad campaign showing skinny white models next to overweight black women just like they did with the PSP White.

If they do this, and continue to harp on the system's blu-ray capability and maybe toss in a new DVR feature the PS3 will be wiping the floor with the Wii in no time! They will be so successful that they can actually increase the price instead of lowering.

/Sarcasm

Now I'm just joking, but in all seriousness the Sony executives at their board meetings probably really are thinking along these lines.

[Deguello]

My ruthless, money-grubbing corporation can beat up your ruthless, money-grubbing corporation.

Not really sure what's "ruthless" about having a popular product that sells for profit, or how the other company can be seen as "money-grubbing" when it's swirling in the bowl.  Doesn't "money-grubbing" imply concern over profits above all else?

I'd also be careful about this sort of detached outlook, because it makes points raised from the perspective of a fan seem hollow.

[BlackNMild2k1]

My ruthless, money-grubbing corporation can beat up your ruthless, money-grubbing corporation.

Not really sure what's "ruthless" about having a popular product that sells for profit, or how the other company can be seen as "money-grubbing" when it's swirling in the bowl.  Doesn't "money-grubbing" imply concern over profits above all else?

I'd also be careful about this sort of detached outlook, because it makes points raised from the perspective of a fan seem hollow.

internet is serious business...?

I think all the rest of just took it as a joke post...

[Deguello]

It is... getting... increasingly hard to tell if somebody is being sarcastic or not on the internet.  I just can't tell.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I love my work.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Interview with John Koller, a Sony Executive. PS3 Slim Confirmed? Thats what it sounds like to me.

The one rumor that was floating around the gaming press before E3 that didn't come true was the possibility of the PS3 slim being announced. We say it's coming in a few months, once Sony has cleared the retail channels of the existing hardware. We asked Sony's director of Hardware Marketing, John Koller, about the rumor, and he had some words for the "story."

"If [the coverage] focuses more on leaks or what may or may not happen then yes, there is a certain amount of frustration. I think we have a tremendous story to tell today, and I think the path that we're trying to lead is much different than Microsoft or Nintendo. We view a little bit of a different future," Koller told Ars. "Who's going to get to the future first? I think that's a more interesting story than 'I found some packaging in China that may or may not...' you know, personally I don't see that as a story."

"I'd love to live in a world with fewer leaks and more meat," he continued, and that was that. It was fascinating to watch his body language when I brought up the PS3 Slim, we were having a friendly conversation, and when we started talking about that piece of hardware his face closed, he leaned away from me... it became almost adversarial until we got onto a subject that's not as loaded.

Our opinion? The PS3 has gone through some significant changes since launch, and it's not unfair for people about to spend $400 on a console to be interested in what may be coming down the line in a few months. With the majority of the leaks and rumors hitting the gaming and mainstream media before E3 becoming factual now, this is a story, whether or not Sony would like us to focus on it.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/06/sonys-john-koller-talks-about-ps3-slim-rumors.ars

Ohh Leaks... /Ryan Reynolds

And you wonder why companies employees are instructed to take the "No Comment" or " We don't comment on rumors" approach.

[TJ Spyke]

Misleading to say it's confirmed. He is basically saying that speculation is frustrating.