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Call me crazy but I have these predictions for E3:

1. Pikmin 3 announced
2. SMG2
3. Retro game revealed (won't be out this year though)
4. Some crazy new 3rd party game that may be casual but is really cool like Boom Blox
5. A big 3rd party franchise coming to Wii
6. PS3 motion controller
7. Ian won't be happy regardless of what happens! ;)
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My prediction for E3 is that the focus will be on Motion Plus. Once again there are rumors of both MS and Sony working on their own Wii Remote knock-offs and try to steal Nintendo's thunder. Motion Plus is a crucial step in re-invigorating the Wii market and inspired both games and developers to be excited for the Wii once more. Nintendo simply can't talk about, say, Wii Walk an forget that Motion Plus exists. The show HAS to be about it if they expect MP to be a hit.

Here's what I suspect...

Nintendo will demo the games that will be released around launch (the EA sports games, Virtua Tennis, Wii Sports Resorts), show some future third party games that use it (Red Steel 2) and close the show with a big IP that is made around MP. Sure we have Wii Sports Resort, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have another title waiting to be unveiled.
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My prediction for E3 is that the focus will be on Motion Plus. Once again there are rumors of both MS and Sony working on their own Wii Remote knock-offs and try to steal Nintendo's thunder. Motion Plus is a crucial step in re-invigorating the Wii market and inspired both games and developers to be excited for the Wii once more. Nintendo simply can't talk about, say, Wii Walk an forget that Motion Plus exists. The show HAS to be about it if they expect MP to be a hit.

Here's what I suspect...

Nintendo will demo the games that will be released around launch (the EA sports games, Virtua Tennis, Wii Sports Resorts), show some future third party games that use it (Red Steel 2) and close the show with a big IP that is made around MP. Sure we have Wii Sports Resort, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have another title waiting to be unveiled.

Fair predictions. One thing I think we can pretty much guarantee is that it will be a better show then last year. Nintendo has all but stated they screwed up with last E3 and with it being HUGE again I suspect a solid to good showing from them.
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Call me crazy but I have these predictions for E3:

1. Pikmin 3 announced
2. SMG2
3. Retro game revealed (won't be out this year though)
4. Some crazy new 3rd party game that may be casual but is really cool like Boom Blox
5. A big 3rd party franchise coming to Wii
6. PS3 motion controller
7. Ian won't be happy regardless of what happens! ;)

All I really need is the first two, sequels to two games in my personal top 10, to be happy. And 7 really isn't much of a prediction, every major third-party developer could have every one of their big titles coming to the Wii and Nintendo could unveil 8 new core gamer focused IPs but also announce Wii Fit 2 and all Ian would do is complain endlessly about Nintendo catering to the casuals with Wii Fit 2.
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Just needs MOAR DYNAMIC SLASH

E3 is nice but am I alone in thinking that the convention is an outdated approach for distributing information since we have the internet now and can release information to the wide masses at any time we want to? We have no need to keep quiet for the year and then give everyone information overload during a few days, causing people to miss tons of announcements because there's just so damn many.

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Nintendo has been quiet for a VEEEEERRRRRRYYYY long time. It's absolutely certain that they've been up to a lot of stuff, but just haven't got around to announcing anything. Mark my words, E3 will be the day where it all comes to light and we will finally find out what Nintendo's been quietly toiling away on.

This is not to say we might not be disappointed, though. While there are definitely big projects in the works, its still up in the air whether these projects are games that will interest hardcore Nintendo fans like me and Ian, or if they will be more of the Wii Sports crap that is responsible for most of Nintendo's financial success of late. Major stuff will be announced, of this there can be no doubt, but I just hope its major stuff that I'm actually interested in.

That said, I'm crossing my fingers for a new Wii Zelda game and a 2D Metroid.
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Wii Sports Resort will DEFINITELY be shown. Whether the hardcore will whine about it is up in the air but it's got the 1:1 swordfighting everybody's been asking for.

I think the long drought is evidence that Nintendo is indeed making more complex titles (I'm not sure I'd call them core, I wouldn't be surprised if they're the beginning of the "new core", more complex and game-ish games made using the Wii's primary values rather than old core game designs with some Wii controls shoehorned in) but again it's uncertain how people will react. The WMP will probably be the focus of the show with almost all new games demonstrating different uses of the thing to really hammer the point in that the thing IS the HD Wii upgrade people have been asking for (it just increases the definition of the controls instead of the graphics) and that it's really a must-have with awesome software that everybody wants. I think Nintendo has really been holding back on announcing WMP games so far, their only announcement was Wii Sports Resort but I doubt they'd support the WMP with only one game since third parties really can't be trusted with that.

Last E3 Nintendo showed the hardware to preempt hardware whores from heaping praise on the competition should it decide to unveil its own Wiimote rip-off, this E3 Nintendo will show the software to really drive the WMP and simply crush all opposition that might arise under an onslaught of software that cannot be matched. I mean, think about it: Had MS or Sony gone in with a Wiimote clone (obviously with a gyroscope included as it's more feasible now than back when the Wiimote was created) and a few games last E3 they could have hit Nintendo during a drought and potentially delivered one or two killer apps to establish their own position. This E3, if Sony or MS try to go in with a Wiimote ripoff, not only will they have to face the technologically upgraded Wiimote so they can't promise better motion controls, they'd have their few games that they could prepare until now go up against a full volley of games that probably had more dev time, more experience and more sheer numbers. Nintendo can commit fully to the WMP since even gamers without one could use the fallback option in games that provide it as the Wiimote can at least approach the WMP's features. If MS or Sony committed that much* they'd risk splitting their market, their default controller cannot be a suitable replacement for their Wiimote clones, they cannot bundle it as easily because it's going to be a lot more expensive than a little dongle that plugs into an existing controller. Sony and MS would have to divide their attention between the new and old controller. Sure, they could say "screw the old way, we're replacing our controller completely" but their userbase would scream bloody murder and I'm certain they don't even WANT to do that. This isn't a PS1 controller upgrade, they can't add fallbacks, it's all or nothing.

This is a step of the disruption, going upmarket. Nintendo wants to take Sony and MS's territory but on their own terms, not on theirs. As such the development must be games that appeal to the people who currently make up the core market to siphon them away yet it must do so in different ways or it's facing a straight power struggle between the incumbent and the disruptor and that's not a battle the disruptor wants to fight. This is blitzkrieg, not attrition. People are right in that Nintendo is behind in the core market, that's the point. They cannot fight MS and Sony head on in the core market. However there is only a core market, not a core gamer. The gamer is in whatever market appeals to him and by creating a different market that also appeals to him the gamer can be conquered without ever setting foot on the core battlefield.

Yes, that came out longer than I thought but by following these thoughts I further my own understanding as well...

*=leaving aside that both have less development capacities than Nintendo

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very well put, I understand and agree.

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Just needs MOAR DYNAMIC SLASH

E3 is nice but am I alone in thinking that the convention is an outdated approach for distributing information since we have the internet now and can release information to the wide masses at any time we want to? We have no need to keep quiet for the year and then give everyone information overload during a few days, causing people to miss tons of announcements because there's just so damn many.

You are probably the only one. E3 has been around for such a long time that I doubt companies would announce their biggest games before it. The backlash the show received last year is proof that they do see it as the IT place to make announcements and make a big show about it.
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Call me crazy but I have these predictions for E3:

1. Pikmin 3 announced

This was announced last year. Maybe you mean "unveiled". Miyamoto already announced the game, but we know zero details about it.
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I wish E3 was just a week later. I will still be in school and will miss the Nintendo conference live. Ill have to read one of the live-blogs when I get home that day.
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Call me crazy but I have these predictions for E3:

1. Pikmin 3 announced

This was announced last year. Maybe you mean "unveiled". Miyamoto already announced the game, but we know zero details about it.

He said they were working on one not what system it was on or if it was a sequel. Though my prediction means an unveiling.
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I wish E3 was just a week later. I will still be in school and will miss the Nintendo conference live. Ill have to read one of the live-blogs when I get home that day.

I couldn't take it if it were a week later, E3 is already too much news and WWDC is the week after E3 bringing more big news.
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News are a replacement for real games, amirite

People should skip buying games for the next couple months.
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News are a replacement for real games, amirite

People should skip buying games for the next couple months.

Too many good games coming out for that, I'll probably buy at least 5 or 6 Wii games between now and the end of June.
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News are a replacement for real games, amirite

People should skip buying games for the next couple months.

Too many good games coming out for that, I'll probably buy at least 5 or 6 Wii games between now and the end of June.

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I'm less convinced that Sony and MS are going to bust out their own Wiimote rip-off.  I think they would have done that sooner.  By now they might figure they should just stay the course with their traditional controller.  They haven't lost their third party support to Nintendo and that's got to give them some confidence.  Nintendo kicks their ass but they don't really lose any support or any big games?  Their lineup is pretty much exactly the same as it would be if the Wii didn't even exist.  And the PS3 outsold the Wii in Japan for the first time recently.  There is evidence to suggest that the Wii is tapping a different market and that might make them put off rushing their own remotes to the market.

Or they're just waiting to see what Nintendo does with Motion+.  Nintendo hasn't released anything that requires the remote that has had the same impact as Wii Sports.  So Sony and MS might be betting that the concept is a one-trick pony and they might not NEED it.  But if Nintendo wows the world with Motion+ it's like "okay we DO need something like this.  This IS the future of gaming and we require it to compete"  Right now it's more like that Wii Sports controller.

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It's also the most successful racing controller of all time for the most successful racing game of all time.
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If Sony and Microsoft sold a motion controller I really don't see how it could sale unless they did a pack in deadl.  Which would so be in Sony's court as they already sale piles of PS3's as it is. 
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It's also the most successful racing controller of all time for the most successful racing game of all time.

Yeah but Mario Kart Wii doesn't NEED it.  The game controls fine without it and every other Mario Kart game didn't need it.  If Sony or MS want to make their own kart racer they can (and on the Playstation Sony did with Crash Team Racing).  However nothing resembling Wii Sports can be done on the PS3 or X360.  But it's really the only huge Wii hit game that's like that.  Now Wii Sports Resort will also be impossible on those consoles and hopefully other Motion+ games will as well.  But that's the big question mark.  I don't think Sony or MS give a **** that Boom Blox and Zack & Wiki can't be done on their consoles.  They likely do care about Wii Sports and its upcoming sequel.  But if that's IT, if that's really the only thing their missing I doubt they think it's quite as necessary for them to have their own remote.

It isn't like they're losing their third party suipport to the Wii because they can't compete with the remote.  It isn't like some new industry standard that you're fucked if you don't have.

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"Yeah but Mario Kart Wii doesn't NEED it."

And if you play online, you'll see players voluntarily USE IT ANYWAY, overwhelmingly outnumber other online non-wheel players (2, 1, or none at all in a random worldwide race in a random time of day, WAAAY different than what I saw a year ago).

That's not mere acceptance, that's a massive SHIFT.  This is going away from base product "needs/requirements" to showing what customers actually WANT or are already ACCUSTOMED TO despite being presented with a CHOICE.  The direction is clear.
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And as for Sony and MS, sure they seem to be in 'comfy' positions, but how can they be content 1) overwhelmingly not being the Market Leader and 2) having stagnant market performance in an environment of high (and rising) production costs?

WHAT can be their next moves?

Introduce some hook product to expand their audience? (dilute brand attitude/direction?)

Or jump the gun and start the new generation to include that hook product from the get-go? (eat even-higher dev costs sooner than later?  or go the Wii path and NOT substantially upgrade the hardware components?)

Otherwise, do nothing drastic and try to ride whatever wave they currently have, declaring themselves early losers in their 15-YAER CONSOLE LIFE CYCLES plans.
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Sony is stuck between a rock and a mountain.
They want piece of that casual market (motion controls. wiisports, simple games), but they can't afford more failure and alienating their core userbase. Sony needs PS3 to become profitable before moving on as their business model has been shaped around being #1 with a large userbase and all the 3rd party support. That made eating losses eventually profitable in the long run.

If anybody(between the 2) is in a position to take a financial risk and release a new controller(maybe with a new console as standard) it is MS. I'd be surprised to not hear something about a new console for Xmas 2010 from MS anyway, that is their 5 year mark afterall.

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What time will the Nintendo press conference be? I just thought about that I will record it on G4 and make sure not to pay attention to any news until I get home from school and ill come right home and watch!

Will Microsoft will be the night before like it has for the past few years? And Sonys after Nintendos?
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