Topic: Mafia XXVIII: Sonic the Hedgehog. Day 10. Space Colony ARK.

[that Baby guy]

That's not true!  That's impossible!

To begin with, I messaged you saying I was the killer, and you gave no reaction!  Then, I messaged you asking if you had any reason to vote Mario, where you said "No," and you'd barely be playing during this game.

Czech your facts.

[NWR_insanolord]

The townies lost, but on the plus side I think I may finally be starting to get the hang of playing this game without a role.

[Plugabugz]

That message you sent had the impression that it was being sent to several people all at once. Based on that i didn't respond.

The bigger issue for me is the majority of activity happens after i'm not here, like whats happened in all-but-one of the games i've been in (Mario Kart Mafia excepted) meaning my "inactivity" comes down to me simply being at work or uni for the majority of my day and reading on here while everyone else is in sleepy land.

[BeautifulShy]

I have a request to whoever is hosting the next game.Can we get the story and announcements done at the same time.

[RABicle]

I'd like to just say that I knew thatguy was townie but I was railing against him so much just because he was annoying.

In bringing GP back into the game, I messaged EasyCure, stating that if he wanted to leave the game "it could be arranged." I figured there were two possible responses. 1. He calls me mafia. 2. He is mafia and says I'm Extra Life. He called me mafia so that was all the confirmation I needed, feeling secure that GP would be back in a townie role.

Also my plan after hitting RAB was to offer him a chance to join our mafia, I of course didn't mention this to my mafia because I didn't know who I would offer up as a switch. But I didn't get a chance after he brought GP back to life.

Honestly Dasmos, I wanted the Godfather role. I would've killed you.


I had, rather unwittingly, revealed myself to the Mafia Doctor on like day two. But I had also made clear my intentions of joining the mafia to him. The fact that I all but revealed myself publicly on day 3 or 4 made no real difference.

[Spak-Spang]

Bravo to Mafia.  I will say Decoyman you should have been targeted several times and you were able to avoid it.  When Golden Phoenix came back, I asked her if she trust you, and the answer was yes...that put you off the list for awhile, and with you off the list we had nobody to go on.

Nickmitch was good with his back against the wall, but I didn't believe your story 100% I just lacked the desire to pull the trigger and lose another townie...at that point I was the front man for another townie alliance, and I choose a bad strategy twice already and was afraid to commit. 

A few private messages later and I was voting for someone else.  This should have been an easy townie victory, but I failed. 

However, I will say that this ending is also cheap.  The Townies COULD have voted for Nickmitch...he would just have been protected.  The Doctor role should not be used like this.  Which brings me to the big complaint about the Doctor role.

The Doctor role grants protection from the vote and action NOT IMMUNITY from the vote.  By turning it into immunity it meant announcing who you are in game.  It forced the townies to reveal an important character, and it forced the mafia to not use the ability to protect their own. 

In the end it allowed the mafia to win, but only because of rules lawyering and the immunity aspect of the doctor. 

[stevey]

Damn it, maxi/gp told me decoy was a townie. I should gone with my gut and just cut our loses voting decoy and hope for the best.... oh well

I blame vudu main he united the townie with roles together but ruse to let spank and the others in making it clear who had a role by working with vudu so the mafia never wasted a hit on a townie we haven't already rule out as not mafia.

And Khushrenada ended to game too soon, we all could have voted "no vote" like in other mafia games and just have one lose, then a 2-1 vote on mafia.

stevey played a major part in the downfall of the townies.  To begin with, he told players not to trust me, with no reason.  Then, he just sat back and listened to Decoyman if I understand things, without Decoyman giving a reason to be trusted, other than he knew GP's role and GP died as soon as possible, which was, if you recall, a major reason why I was targeted at the beginning of day 3, and helped me get killed.  Way to hold a double standard, stevey.  Anyways, it was stevey that lead to NickMitch evading death those last two time he could've been voted out, just because, as far as I can tell.

I never talk to decoy, just thought if GP trusted him then he should be good. I know that was a bad idea....

Making me wonder when Stevey is going to host another game.

funny you say that, I just finish planing it too.... and no, it won't be anything like the last mafia, all roles with be crystal clear, days on time, a story written, and all rule will be clearly mark.

[EasyCure]

Good going mafia!

Us townies should of had this in the bag but no, everyone screwed up. I dont include myself in the screw-ups since i bailed from the game, and bringing GP back into it via RABicle. I figured with an alliance in place, one normal townie death wouldnt of effected anything since they should of been able to take down the Mafia, guess not.

Oh and special props to Nickmitch, never woulda suspected the guy... to be honest i ignored his post cuz i was tired of his character takling about Froggy.

[Pale]

Can someone who isn't obnoxiously arrogant and snobby explain to me how allowing the mafia doctor to protect himself doesn't totally break the game in every possible way?

How could the townies ever kill all the mafia members then?  I'm confused.

[RABicle]

Because he only had two protections. If he was eliminated say, day 5 this would be a whole different story. He had to WAIT TILL TODAY.

And Khushrenada ended to game too soon, we all could have voted "no vote" like in other mafia games and just have one lose, then a 2-1 vote on mafia.

What? yeah the townies could've "no voted" except that.
1. They would've voted because they're dumb
2.  nickmitch could come in seconds before voting closed to vote someone out.

[Pale]

Oh ok... I missed that rule entirely.  Thanks.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I was starting to suspect decoy towards the end there.

[Spak-Spang]

Or all the townies could have just voted for Nickmitch knowing he would be protected.  As I said the doctors role is to protect from the vote...not immunity from the vote.

Seriously though, I really liked this game...this is the first game in awhile that felt like a classic Mafia game.  Not really knowing the who is who, and being confused by mafia tricks.  It was a nice game. 

[that Baby guy]

Can someone who isn't obnoxiously arrogant and snobby explain to me how allowing the mafia doctor to protect himself doesn't totally break the game in every possible way?

How could the townies ever kill all the mafia members then?  I'm confused.

The mafia doctor is only allowed to protect twice.  Once he uses up his protections, he's out of an ability.  Similarly, the townie doctor could only protect four times.

[stevey]

This why I hate the mafia doctor and doctor role entirely! The limit on the amounts of protection is dumb, Khush and every host should limit the times a single person can be protected to 1 and forbid the doc from protecting himself! No doctor but house can possible do surgery on himself to save his life and nether should ours. Doesn't anyone remember the cluster **** of mafia VII due to the doctors.....

[Pale]

I don't see any problem with allowing doctor's to protect an person as many times as they want, but can't protect themselves....

That's what I thought the rule was.  It would work for the townies, because it would basically show that the person protected can be trusted.  It would work for mafia, but they'd have to wait until one of their own was fingered.  If they knew he was found out, they could start protecting him and that would allow him to stay alive until the mafia doctor was found.

[that Baby guy]

This why I hate the mafia doctor and doctor role entirely! The limit on the amounts of protection is dumb, Khush and every host should limit the times a single person can be protected to 1 and forbid the doc from protecting himself! No doctor but house can possible do surgery on himself to save his life and nether should ours. Doesn't anyone remember the cluster **** of mafia VII due to the doctors.....

Mafia VII had a whole lot of crazy things going on in general.  The doctors were one element of the game, but the random chance and the whole gang of mafias, as well as the ability groups, and such were what lead to turmoil.  Not to mention, my impression is that a lot of people had fun, too.

[Spak-Spang]

Yeah I always thought the rule for the Doctor was that they can't protect themselves and can only protect others.

Most of the time the townie doctor even has another rule that says he can only protect from night actions not the vote...which I have never played with that rule.  I think Khush wanted the doctor roles to be more useful specially since there is was a need for the mafia Doctor to protect from the vote. 

The limit on the number of times the Mafia Doctor could protect made sense...however, revealing who was protected didn't.  As I said it made the Doctor role more immunity than saving.  Which didn't quite work.

This game was one of the closest games in mafia we have had in awhile, it was exciting.  And although it is a Mafia win by technicality it should have been a townie win.  Why?  Because Nickmitch protects himself and the townies vote him anyway and he is protected still alive with a hit he is able to do. 

If Decoyman would have remembered to vote then it would have been an easy mafia win. 

 

[vudu]

I told you guys Nickmitch was mafia on day 4.

Why doesn't anyone ever listen to me?

[EasyCure]

I told you guys Nickmitch was mafia on day 4.

Why doesn't anyone ever listen to me?

Because you like gross thigns?

[that Baby guy]

He doesn't just like gross things, he loves gross things.

Anyways, RAB, at that point, I hadn't even said anything to you.  You decided to send lists of just about everything on your own.  It wasn't until after that that you and I had any contact and you decided I was annoying.  It's worth pointing that out, since I had done minimal posting until after you began screwing up who I was focused on.

[BeautifulShy]

I should have PMed you stevey.On day nine I should have sended you a PM.I am terrible when it comes to forsight.I figure things out after it is to late.I should have seen the red flags after GP died and even moreso with Spak.I let my emotions get in the way.

Decoyman well played.

[decoyman]

OMG  I can't believe it.

Ok, two things.

1. GP, I was honest when I said I never told anyone about you. I never told my mafia mates, they hit you on their own. This is the truth. When I found out you'd been hit on Day 2, I seriously was upset. I was trying to protect you by not telling them about you, and had even sent a list of recommended hits (and you weren't on it) for them to take out, all the way through to about day 4 or 5. THEN, at the end, I admit that in my second list of hits, you WERE on that one... but only at the very end (because you coming back from the dead totally confirmed you as a townie, which made you very dangerous to our endgame plans), and if we could take control of the game before that, you might even have lived. Anyways, when you asked me my role, I defaulted and pointed you to my thread admission instead of telling you outright. If I have a weakness, it's in not liking to lie "to peoples' faces" (aka via 1-on-1 PMs).

2. As I'd told several people, this wedding I'm currently out of town for kept me offline since I've been here. I was feeling like crap when I found out I'd been killed by inactivity, and feeling pretty good when I found out that it worked out in our favor. But it was funny seeing like 4 messages of escalating urgency from my mafia telling me to vote all the way up till 4 minutes left We can laugh about it now, guys.

Lastly: NICKMITCH, AMAZING. I can't believe you turned that vote around and got yourself saved. Actually, none of you guys had seen this, but this mafia in PMs was about as good as I've been a part of: we were all really active, sending strategy and other info back and forth (except for GP's role ), and we all avoided voting trends pretty well... most of us were under the radar until the latter half of the game... Dasmos, Mario, Nickmitch - nice one, guys. *fist bump*

[BeautifulShy]

Decoyman after cleaning out the majority of my PMs.I noticed that there was several hints at who you were.How long did you know I was a townie?

[vudu]

GP, I was honest when I said I never told anyone about you. I never told my mafia mates, they hit you on their own. This is the truth. When I found out you'd been hit on Day 2, I seriously was upset. I was trying to protect you by not telling them about you, and had even sent a list of recommended hits (and you weren't on it) for them to take out

This makes a lot of sense (and is something that's been bugging me today).  If you recall, on day 3 I "cleared" you as a townie because GP was hit on day 2 instead of me.  I reasoned that if you knew GP's role and you wanted to weed out the townie alliance, it would make more sense to take me out first.  When I learned you were mafia, I thought there had been a serious flaw in my reasoning.

I guess I didn't take into account that you would hide information from your teammates due to your personal feelings towards GP.