Topic: Miyamoto: E3 No Longer the Best Place to Show Core Games

[AgentV3]

Miyamoto says: don't blame us, blame E3.

Straight from Miyamoto, Nintendo's lackluster showing could be blamed on the nature of the new E3.  He said they've got plenty of big core titles in the works (Pikmin being one of them, of course), just that E3 isn't the right place to show them anymore.

Also, EA and Ubisoft think the new event blows and want the old E3 back.


I can't remember if this had already been posted, apologies if it has (long day).

[Spak-Spang]

I think this was a miscalculation from Nintendo.

Nintendo decided that for core gamers they can hold any press conference at any time and be able to announce core games.  People will hear about it and those core games would not be compared with other E3 games, but be seen by their own merit.

However, E3 is one of the few times mass media pass enough attention to games for Nintendo to get a message to casual gamers about what is coming in the future.  Nintendo decided E3 will be the best venue to attract that market.

For the most part I agree with Nintendo...however, you have to at least show SOMETHING for the core gamers.  Anything would be good.  And Nintendo had tons of options to go with...however nothing really impressed and that is too bad.

[Spinnzilla]

Well this brings back a little hope.  I think we'll deffinately hear something good at the TGS.  If not, then we can panic.

[D_Average]

just a few weeks ago Reggie said core gamers will be satisfied at E3.

[DAaaMan64]

just a few weeks ago Reggie said core gamers will be satisfied at E3.

Of course he did, and it doesn't take a D average to understand why.

[Kairon]

I TOTALLY called this in the Day 2 podcast. TOTALLY.

[Mario]

The big thing E3 has (or had) over little random press conferences that pop up out of nowhere, is that it's something to look forward to. If Nintendo said "in 13 days we'll have new games to show off" then that'd be great, because we could all get together and have a good time, people from around the world all giddy with joy and wonder up at 2am, taking the day off work, or having a nice evening with fellow fans, all wondering what game is going to be announced, and what it'll be like, and eager to discuss and post smilies. No. What happens now is they just show their games off out of the blue when nobody is looking or cares. How about a little excitement? Where is the harm in that?

Things happened the wrong way around, E3 was an event we all looked forward to, geared at people who didn't know it was on until after it happened. If Nintendo was going to do some kind of non-gamer presentation, why not just hold that out of the blue? We clearly don't care for it. Why host their own personal stream on the Nintendo website? Just to make fun of us? There's no sense of community anymore, Nintendo has disconnected themselves from the fans. It's official. The relationship is over. Nintendo losing that sense of fun, wonder and imagination on the outside, has me incredibly concerned it's going to disappear from inside their actual games just as quick.

[Deguello]

I wanna know where the anger at Capcom was for basically RickRolling E3 by talking about a movie for 20 minutes and then leaving.

[Luigi Dude]

I wanna know where the anger at Capcom was for basically RickRolling E3 by talking about a movie for 20 minutes and then leaving.

I'd also like to see the anger as well.  People can say what they want about Nintendo but at least Nintendo devoted their conference to games.  Unlike Capcom who kept talking about a movie that no one even cares about or wants.

[nickmitch]

Spaceworld 2008 CONFIRMED.

[Spak-Spang]

Another thing is Reggie and Nintendo miscalculated and thought Animal Crossing is a game that would excite Core Gamers...in an interview Reggie quickly jumped to that game...and he seemed seriously thrown off his game about Nintendo fans being upset, and the interviewer kept pressing him about other games for Wii coming out THIS year not next year.

It was a good interview in really exposing Nintendo's miscalculation...which I believe is the only thing that happened.
Nintendo wanted to focus on the casuals, and thought Animal Crossing with Voice Chat would be the big core gamer reveal.  everyone knew Animal Crossing was coming out though...and Voice Chat was the only really cool confirmation. 

[Bill Aurion]

The thing is, Animal Crossing really is a game that core gamers enjoy...This was proven by the fantastic sales of the Gamecube version, which was on a system that only sold to die-hard hardcore Nintendo fans...

The problem is that the people who don't like the AC franchise are the loudest and sound like the majority, when they are not...

[Mario]

Well Mario Party on GC got big sales.

[Bill Aurion]

Multiplayer game...Core gamers would buy it so they could enjoy it with their friends... =)

[Spak-Spang]

I will not deny that Animal Crossing has broad appeal, and can attract Core Gamers, and does attract Core Gamers.

But, Everyone knew it was coming...and Animal Crossing is still a 3rd rank Nintendo IP.  Sure it is great to get a new game.

But If Nintendo really wanted to excite the Core Audience they should have announced and shown a small video of one of the following.

Pikmin
Zelda
Mario
Star Fox
F-Zero
Donkey Kong Wii
Kirby Wii
Pilot Wings
Completely new IP
Pokemon

Hell just one of those IPs would have stopped the bitching towards Nintendo...but we got Animal Crossing, and I love Animal Crossing.  I can't play it because my wife and I got too addicted to the Gamecube version, and that wasn't pretty...but I loved it.  At the same time once you STOP playing Animal Crossing it is easy to let go of it and not play it again.

[Flames_of_chaos]

How is animal crossing a 3rd tier franchise if each iteration sold millions?

[nickmitch]

Yeah, Animal Crossing is 2nd tier. It's highly awesome, but I'm not breaking any appointments for it.

[Ceric]

At Animal Crossings heart it is a casual game much in the vain of Wii Fit and Brain Training.  It just happen to have its debut on a core system.  Word of mouth from the original game and the hype from Nintendo combined with the durst of titles on the Gamecube made us want to pick it up.  Once we had it our casual audience significant others, family, and friends started playing it and Nintendo took note.

With the DS they tried a different strategy.  Noticed how it had a slow start with that one.  If we view Animal Crossing as a good title to place benchmarks the Wii strategy, as mentioned in another thread, that seems to be to get the Core excited which is the gateway to Word of Mouth to the casuals.  That came out misdirected.

Put it simply Nintendo thinks that Animal Crossing is a core title be virtue of it getting popularity on what was a core system.  When in actuality Animal Crossing is, almost by definition, a casual game.  I even argue that Pikmin may fall into the realm of casual.

So yeah I wasn't excited about what I saw as a casual game and worst of all by all indication a game that I thoroughly played and don't really have a desire to do the same thing all over again.  I enjoyed the two iterations I played but even the second iteration was getting long in the tooth for me.

I would also like to mention that I would have like to see a more technical presentation on WiiMotion Plus. especially something that side by side compared what is able to be done with the attachment and what the original is capable of.  I like to see how much it really adds.

[shammack]

There are no casual games; only casual players.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

There are no casual games; only casual players.

Thank you.

[SixthAngel]

The hardcore internet fanboys have been simmering and waiting to boil over for a while now.  A once big fan event that has since been changed to a smaller event that doesn't waste millions of dollars is the perfect time for the them to freak out.  Even the new nature of E3 helps push their opinion that they are being screwed.

There was no miscalculation.  Nintendo probably expected a backlash from the internet, they know what is going on and its not like these people were quiet before E3  This just gives them something to complain about no matter what and a stage to do it.  The complaining about Wii Speak epitomizes there desire to bitch about Nintendo without a real reason.  Everyone will forget this in two weeks and start whining about something else.

[Deguello]

LOL Indeed SixthAngel.  And at the "victories" won will also be forgotten.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I think someone should take notes on all the whining going on now and come back to them a year from now. Some may look pretty silly.

[Kairon]

I even argue that Pikmin may fall into the realm of casual.

...wut?

[Bill Aurion]

I think someone should take notes on all the whining going on now and come back to them a year from now. Some may look pretty silly.

Hell, do you remember when the Wii was first revealed?  All the "NINTENDO IS SCREWED" posts?  Pretty embarrassing stuff!