Author Topic: So...the Dark Knight? (Read 85473 times)

Svevan · « **Reply #200 on:** August 10, 2008, 03:47:06 PM »

I love plenty of movies. Find me on Flixster, or check my viewing log on IMDB. There you'll see that I've rated nearly 300 movies as either 9s or 10s (meaningless numbers, but good for memory). I've only rated 100 movies under a 5.

People just think I hate movies because I don't like the ones THEY like. And the same is thrown back at me, that I don't respect other people's taste (one must always admit that one could be wrong, and I will do that right now: I could be completely wrong about movies).

I just don't think today's cinema is a "matter of taste:" we're being told what to like, and we're extremely limited in what we can see in the theatre (limited by the financial influence of big studios out to make a buck). Almost no one watches the greats (be they old or new) and prefers superhero/blockbuster schlock. I tell you, none of the box office top 10 from 2007 will enter the "pantheon" while at least three from the 1967 list had already done so by the end of that year. (And this isn't to say that 1967 wasn't plagued with advertising, hype, and poor moviemaking: some of the films on that list are pretty bad).

And since I'm being defensive, here's a list of some modern (2000 or later) films I love:

Bourne Supremacy
Eastern Promises
Finding Nemo
Gosford Park
A History of Violence
Lost in Translation
Master and Commander
No Country for Old Men
Ratatouille
Solaris
AI: Artificial Intelligence
Atonement
Changing Lanes
Dawn of the Dead
The Departed
Grindhouse
Knocked Up
Match Point
Michael Clayton
Minority Report
Million Dollar Baby
Shaun of the Dead
Spider-Man 2
There Will Be Blood
Zodiac
any Harry Potter movie (though some are better than others)

and many more lesser known or foreign-language films as well.

TDK is a fine movie, but it is lacking in geographical editing (can't tell wtf is going on half the time, though like I said it's way better than the practically abstract Batman Begins); has way too much preaching and faux-philosophical dialogue (Shy: just cause people can't agree on what the movie's "moral" is doesn't mean it's not moralizing. Confusion on the movie's part shouldn't be misunderstood as ambiguity.); and has such a dead climax. The action scene in the middle of the film was way better than the one at the end. Two-Face wasn't an interesting character post-transformation, though Joker was interesting from start to finish (especially because he didn't have an origin story: he was just THERE). There's a lot to like about this movie, but if it wasn't Batman it wouldn't make half the money.

edit: BTW, I never watch comedies on DVD cause they're never as funny without a big group of people. Big screen or never. The way action films like LotR and the Batman flicks are edited, I would almost prefer to watch them on a small screen, cause then I might be able to follow what's happening. And finally, Brandogg: I can't get over that you can call The Graduate crap without even so much as a defense. I don't think it's the second coming of Christ, but it's a damn fine movie (better than 300, or any Pirates film).

edit again: it's entirely possible to be too negative about movies, but whether I'm positive or negative I get called names. So what to do....

nickmitch · « **Reply #201 on:** August 10, 2008, 04:06:22 PM »

Complete neutrality

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #202 on:** August 10, 2008, 04:18:03 PM »

Yeah, if you're neutral the worst thing you'll get is jokes from Futurama fans.

Khushrenada · « **Reply #203 on:** August 10, 2008, 06:18:24 PM »

I watch the greats. Or at least what I've been told are the greats.

I'm not sure why Svevan gets crapped on so much. Maybe it's the way he presents his thoughts. Or maybe it's the constant smear campaign against his thoughts trying to make him look like a fan of independant films and scorn all Hollywood productions.

I agree with a lot of the things he says but then I've watched a lot of older movies as well.

nickmitch · « **Reply #204 on:** August 10, 2008, 07:59:18 PM »

I'll admit. I like Svevan. It's just that most people of his major tend to develop movie tastes designed to piss off everyone else.

Svevan · « **Reply #205 on:** August 10, 2008, 09:07:14 PM »

Quote from: nickmitch on August 10, 2008, 07:59:18 PM

I'll admit. I like Svevan. It's just that most people of his major tend to develop movie tastes designed to piss off everyone else.

This is an assumption about motive that you can't prove.

Also, my majors are Art History and Poli-Sci. Unless I xfer to a school with a good film studies program.

Film majors may be pricks, but that does not negate their taste.

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #206 on:** August 10, 2008, 10:31:52 PM »

I think, now I haven't read the whole thread (or care to), but I think he gets made fun of for his movies tastes 'cause he acts like a hater on most things everyone else enjoys. He hates on them to the point where it just seems out of place with the norm. Because it is one thing to dislike largely popular movies, it's another to hate them. No body likes a hater.

Hater is level 1.

Douche Bag is level 2.

You achieve douche bag by never making any new arguments and continue to be a hater. (Ian and more recently, lindy.)

Not that I'm calling anyone out or anything.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #207 on:** August 10, 2008, 10:51:44 PM »

This thread has turned from an appreciation of a great film into an emo squabble, but it doesn't matter. Batman is cool, and iconic, and a lasting character in this World's history of fiction. After we're all returned to dust, the character of Batman will still be around because he clicks with people on a very base level. Hundreds of years from now there will still be Batman stories just like there are still stories of Hercules, King Arthur, or Sherlock Holmes.

mantidor · « **Reply #208 on:** August 10, 2008, 11:34:24 PM »

Quote from: ShyGuy on August 10, 2008, 10:51:44 PM

This thread has turned from an appreciation of a great film into an emo squabble, but it doesn't matter. Batman is cool, and iconic, and a lasting character in this World's history of fiction. After we're all returned to dust, the character of Batman will still be around because he clicks with people on a very base level. Hundreds of years from now there will still be Batman stories just like there are still stories of Hercules, King Arthur, or Sherlock Holmes.

woah there, I think you are getting ahead of yourself a tiny little bit...

AV · « **Reply #209 on:** August 11, 2008, 01:19:30 AM »

WOW.

4 weeks in a row at #1.

and currently at 441 Million Domestic.

http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

thats amazing.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #210 on:** August 11, 2008, 01:36:55 AM »

hahahahahahaha. I don't care what you people say about him, that was a brilliant response.

ThePerm · « **Reply #211 on:** August 11, 2008, 12:50:43 PM »

metropolis is somewhere one my top 10 film list, i might have another list on ask thepem, but scratch that list

10 list sans order

1. Metropolis(not the fucking japanese anime one, the silent film)
2. Dracula
3. Reservoir Dogs
4. Citizen Kane
5. Yojimbo
6. Dawn of the Dead
7. Suspiria
8. Following(i never ever had an urge to burglarize a house without Christopher Nolan)
9. The Birds
10. A Clockwork Orange

to svevan, my minor is art history, and major is art. I took a class on the history of film and got to watch some pretty badassed old school movies. I watched Citizen Kane, and Yojimbo on my own though. Originally. i wanted to make video games, i had this grand mission to fix the vg industry, but i don't care anymore. I prefer passive media now because i can't get suspension of disbelief in a video game anymore.

nickmitch · « **Reply #212 on:** August 11, 2008, 01:39:30 PM »

Quote from: Svevan on August 10, 2008, 09:07:14 PM

Quote from: nickmitch on August 10, 2008, 07:59:18 PM
I'll admit. I like Svevan. It's just that most people of his major tend to develop movie tastes designed to piss off everyone else.

This is an assumption about motive that you can't prove.

Also, my majors are Art History and Poli-Sci. Unless I xfer to a school with a good film studies program.

Film majors may be pricks, but that does not negate their taste.

Art is basically what I meant, that, and the actual film majors. But yeah, studying art, makes you look at it differently. Like, after my internship, every Wal*Mart visit to me is now "comp-shopping." I honestly can't look at either store the same because I see more than the typical guest.

Either way, it's all good.

Plugabugz · « **Reply #213 on:** August 11, 2008, 02:45:46 PM »

If evan wants some ground breaking stuff, go watch noah's arc.

He will more than likely insta-hate the idea, but lets suggest it anyway!

ThePerm · « **Reply #214 on:** August 11, 2008, 06:16:05 PM »

today i'm working on my last test a take home test, i see everyone on their computers tiling away, following the system and can't help but feel that moloch has won and we are all just slaves to the machine.

Svevan · « **Reply #215 on:** August 11, 2008, 09:06:54 PM »

Interesting article

ShyGuy · « **Reply #216 on:** August 12, 2008, 02:52:46 AM »

ON NOES EVAN IS TEH VALIDATIONATED.

I'm going to bump this thread a year from now and we will see how I feel about the movie then.

Svevan · « **Reply #217 on:** August 12, 2008, 08:42:43 PM »

I don't see the article as validating my opinion. In fact I think he's too positive on the film. But it's still a great article.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #218 on:** August 12, 2008, 09:57:57 PM »

why do you find it so great and interesting?

vudu · « **Reply #219 on:** December 31, 2008, 03:00:29 PM »

Finally saw this movie a couple weeks ago. It was good, but I liked Iron Man better.

NWR_Lindy · « **Reply #220 on:** December 31, 2008, 03:28:13 PM »

I just saw it too. I liked it a lot, but it was a little hard to get over Batman's voice, along with the juxtaposition of the ridiculously-costumed characters with its super-serious storyline.

Still, a very good movie and my favorite Batman movie to date.

Pale · « **Reply #221 on:** December 31, 2008, 03:30:11 PM »

I just watched it too... man was it long. I spent the whole movie thinking they were just setting up Two Face for the next movie, only to find out he gets an entire story arch in Dark Knight as well.

Caliban · « **Reply #222 on:** December 31, 2008, 03:48:58 PM »

A friend of mine lent me his bluray copy. There are scenes that are full widescreen, and other scenes have black bars on top and bottom of the screen? LOL, and what a poor editing, filming job. Gotham city didn't feel, or seem like the dark, brooding city that it is. Batman's voice??? I still prefer Michael Keaton as Batman, and Jack Nicholson as the Joker. I still prefer the first two Tim Burton Batman movies. I think The Dark Knight is a good movie to watch, but not a good Batman movie to watch.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #223 on:** December 31, 2008, 03:53:27 PM »

It's not poor editing, that's the way the movie is supposed to be, it was like that in the theaters too. Most of the movie was shot in 2.78:1, and the IMAX scenes (most of the outdoor scenes) were recorded in 16:9. I...can't believe some of the recent blasphemy in this thread...it makes me very sad.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #224 on:** December 31, 2008, 04:36:26 PM »

Iron Man, was a great movie as well vudu, my second favorite film of the year and probably the second best "superhero" movie ever made. I can see where it would appeal to some people more than The Dark Knight.

Ridiculous costumes? There were only three costumes in the entire film, Batman, the Joker (I've seen scene kids at the mall wear more extreme outfits than this) and briefly the Scarecrow (which was only a burlap mask)

Also, the movie wasn't long enough.

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