Author Topic: the gameboy to gamecube scam (Read 35876 times)

RahXephon · « **Reply #50 on:** April 04, 2003, 06:14:50 PM »

strange, they are saying they should get them because they are part of the game and 2 hardware systems shouldn't be miked becuase they believe it to be a scam. They want the extras without buying a GBA

JoeFalco · « **Reply #51 on:** April 04, 2003, 06:32:22 PM »

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
wow, some people take this way to personally.
All I am saying is that the 2 are seperate units and should remain that way.
Its nothing personal and it doesnt mean I hate Nintendo.
So please lighten up a tad.

Ok...I've read this entire discussion and for some strange reason, I feel compelled to give my two cents in the matter. Canuck, I understand what you are saying. You believe in something that is different from the general direction that Nintendo is taking. Miyamoto wants to build on connectivity in games which you find to be only a marketing ploy (and c'mon everyone, whether or not that's Nintendo's reason, they're still making money off of it.

) and that separate systems should, well, stay separate. If you buy a game for a certain system, any player should be able to access every single feature that is a part of that game without the need of purchasing additional hardware (note that I wrote hardware, not software). This is what you believe in and I respect your opinion nonetheless. It is a conflict between different philosophies from what I gather. Myself, I believe this is Nintendo's way of awarding N fans that buy their systems and games. I feel that there is great potential in the possibilities of increasing gameplay by combining the power of two systems. Canuck, you, on the other hand, believe that is entirely unnecessary to require two systems to enjoy all the hidden secrets and features embedded in a single game.

Note to Canuck: If you feel that I have completely twisted the meaning of your words and intentions then I apologize.

RahXephon · « **Reply #52 on:** April 04, 2003, 06:42:11 PM »

That is not your 2 cents Fal, just a reineration of what has been said. I am interested in how you feel. I think it is both sides, but not a scam so much as taking advantage of a large user percentage that owns both systems to be more profitable. If it were a scam, there would be force, and not option.

Also it could be a driving force to purchase more things, like the e-reader for use with AC. There are alot of things to consider, but i fully understand where you come from, i used to not think i would get a GBA, then i did, now i am happy i did. HEre is why i think the small screen objection is obsolete, because no one is gonna buy a game like Advance wars with those graphics on the gamecube. It keeps the 2d life alive.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #53 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:18:54 PM »

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I would like to point out that the whole idea of the Metroid bonus in Prime was that it was for hardcore Metroid fans. If you were a hardcore fan then you would have purchased both games. This means that you would have both GC and a GBA therefore you could unlock the first Metroid game. It was a bonus for hardcore fans not for people like you.

not everyone is a hardcore fan of every Nintendo Game.. don't try to use that as leverage in your argument..

a real fan would have bought the 5@|\/||_|5 @|<+10|\| figure

[edit] someone please kill me

Did you even actually bother to read my post. I said that it was for HARDCORE METROID FANS. I didn't say that you had to be a hardcore fan of Nintendo and all of their games. The figure has nothing to do with the games series so don't try to use that as leverage in your argument. A hardcore Metroid fan is someone who wants to play and own every game. Not someone who wants to buy some stupid figure. Again my point was that if you are a HARDCORE METROID FANS that you would own and beat both the GC and GBA game and therefore get to unlock Metroid in Metroid Prime.

RahXephon · « **Reply #54 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:20:44 PM »

he is right, hardcore zelda fans bought gamecubes, look at the increase in sales to proves it.

DrunkenBone · « **Reply #55 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:27:48 PM »

What I think Nintendo is doing is because a person bought both GCN and GBA(sp) they would get a little extra.It isn't a scam cause those bonuses are not necesary to have to beat the game, but are just nice to have. It's just an indirect way to promote the GBA(sp)

JoeFalco · « **Reply #56 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:36:06 PM »

It wasn't my two cents, Rah...darn. I thought I lost some coins while typing that last message...

Anyway, I don't believe this whole thing to be much of a scam either for the same reasons you posted.

Also, if Nintendo released an Earthbound game for the GC, I'm positive hardcore EB fans would purchase Gamecubes in order to play the game. If you cater to the right tastes, you're bound to attract customers.

mojorizin · « **Reply #57 on:** April 04, 2003, 08:21:29 PM »

Just more genius from Nintendo regarding the GBA. Personally, I'd love to get the GBA and hook up, but I don't have time to even start most of the GC games I have laying about with the features they have, let alone GBA bonus goodies, replaying the old Marios and Zeldas, 3 new Castlevanias, Metroid Fusion, the E-reader......ye gods, thats way too much.

It would be a much different story if the GBA link fundamentally changed gameplay or was an absolute requirement. Is anyone really of the opinion that MP or WW are not worth the price of admission as they are? To most of us, these are two of the finest games ever made - the GBA connectivity just provides a little extra to round out what is already a fantastic gaming experience (kinda like the extra "crunchies" in the bottom of the Long John Silvers bag - I dunno where the hell they come from, but man, I love 'em).

The fact is Nintendo doesn't have to add the GBA features to GC games. With sales through the roof on GBA/GBASP, its hardly necessary and I can't imagine it makes much difference in GC sales. I don't think its a case of getting less for your money; on the contrary, it shows Nintendo is willing to put some thought and effort into expanding the experience and rewarding loyalty to get you MORE for your dough.

In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis."

razorpit · « **Reply #58 on:** April 04, 2003, 08:43:16 PM »

thecubedcanuck, quit your bitching. Do you think it's right to make some one purchase a DVD palyer and spend the extra $$ on a DVD release of a movie over a VHS tape to see extras?

If you don't want the extras don't buy a GBA, and purchase an X-Box or PS2 instead. You don't think MS and Sony would do the same thing IF they had handheld units? Ask an X-Box owner how they feel about having to purchase X-Box Live just to play PSO2 at home by themselves.

The GBA link is pretty cool. We're just finally starting to see the fruits of what was promised at the GC launch. Don't like it, don't buy it, shut up, and save our bandwidth. The last I checked, the expansion possibilities for a 2600 are slim to none. You might want to pick one of those up in a yard sale.

--Dave

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #59 on:** April 04, 2003, 08:49:33 PM »

What really pisses me off is that the GBA Player won't be able to hook up the two games.. I would like to play the original Metroid. It's been over 10 years since I played it, yet I don't want a GBA SP, I'm planning on getting a Player so I can bask in the glory of (almost) full screen GBA games on my TV!

BITCH RANT COMPLAIN!

egman · « **Reply #60 on:** April 05, 2003, 02:33:26 AM »

Honestly, I don't see a problem. Let's be realistic here, this is partly about money. There is a small hope Nintendo has that the GBA will sell Cubes and vice versa. But I pretty sure that they also understand that a large part of their audience are staunch N supporters who probably have both devices anyway. Why not explore the possiblities of connectivity when it's virtually a win-win situation for Nintendo?

Right now I'm seriously thinking about getting a SP. Not because of the extra features mind you (right now those features have not been extensive, probably because Nintendo has taken in the account the views of someone like thecubedcanuck who feels like they are being ripped off). In its own right it is an awesome system, and the bonsuses are just icing on this delicious cake of gaming goodness. For me, the GBA connectivity is like an ehanced version of what Sega was exploring with their VMUs, so I'm eager to see what comes in the furture.

In the end, I don't think anyone should complain about the bonuses. Nintendo is not dumb, and as evidence by the kinds of extras seen thus far, I'm confident they having been thinking about the reservations that have been covered in this thread. You can complete WW without the tingle tuner; Samus's Fusion suit does not ehance her abilities in Metroid Prime. Nintendo is a business, and therefore it behoves them not to piss off their consumer base, but at the same time find ways encourage or reward people who strongly support their hardware.

Uglydot · « **Reply #61 on:** April 05, 2003, 02:34:29 AM »

You buy Metroid and you get Metroid. You pay extra and get an entire extra game. The people who will do this are fans of the series, they likely already have both games and Nintendo makes them pay for the service of the extra game by buying the cable. What an immoral company we are dealing with. For shame Nintendo, for shame!

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #62 on:** April 05, 2003, 06:22:53 AM »

First of all, cubed, this is what business do. It's not like Nintendo has some infinite source of money. The thing is, someone thought: "Hey, we have two systems, one handheld and one fully fledged console. Wouldn't it be cool that, if you had both, you could do something?" And everyone else said: "Yeah, cool idea." And they did it. That's all it is; a nice little bonus for the people that own or have access to both systems. It's no scam, and to complain that you should get everything you want with one purchase is just ignorant.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #63 on:** April 05, 2003, 06:27:39 AM »

Joe Falco

You understood my point completely and your post completely summed it up.

Thank you for being objective, a welcome change around here.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #64 on:** April 05, 2003, 06:36:18 AM »

Hmm. . . while both your opinions are the same, I find myself being more inclined to agree with Joe Falco. Canuck, you tell us to be mature and smart, and then you insult us yourself. I'm not sure if you perceive it as an insult, but that's what it seems like to me. While I admit that there are some annoying idiots here (canuck, you are NOT one of them. Though our opinions differ I still have a grudging respect for you

) you should still try to be nice to us not-idiots (which I hope I am). Strell's comments were dumb, but you were no less childish in your response.

As for the actual linking thing, it seems obvious to me that everyone is right. It's merely fun for those that have GBA and GC, but it's also a use for making more money. While I'm disinclined to believe that people will go out and get a GBA/GC and the required games just to get these bonuses, it's both a way to make money and entertain fans. Also, I'm sorry for calling you ignorant. It was a hasty and poor decision.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #65 on:** April 05, 2003, 06:45:12 AM »

hostile

I agree my responces to Strell were uncalled for and I should have used a more restraint. I was just suprised at his responce, as I saw no need for it at all.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #66 on:** April 05, 2003, 06:51:56 AM »

Eh, don't beat yourself up about it. Strell said some stupid stuff, you said a few dumb things, I said an idiot comment or two. . . no one's perfect. Let's just forget about it.

Strell · « **Reply #67 on:** April 05, 2003, 07:16:52 AM »

Stupid things? You're just saying that b/c I insulted the guy. People would do well to differentiate from mindless insulting and what I was doing.

I'd love to say you have a point in your remarks, Hostile, but all it sounds like is a bunch of rambling from someone who is clueless. If you look, you'll find my comments are echoed up and down in this thread. Maybe if I was saying something truly outrageous, like "Monkeys should make a video game console," then you might be worth listening to. But you're not. You're just taking a cheap shot because you feel like it. Grow up, seriously.

misterd · « **Reply #68 on:** April 05, 2003, 08:24:49 AM »

Programming in all those extras takes time. This time costs Nintendo money. This is time that could be spent on other projects. So if Nintendo is going to anything substantial with it (ala the Tingle Tuner). So, yes, they would like to get that money back.

The truth is most people who own a GBA/GBASP would have bought one regardless of the GCN. For those who bought one ONLY for the link features, I would expect you to be disappointed so far. Then again, I would expect that you would have waited to see if any games came out with halfway decent support for the link before dropping $80 on the system too.

BlackGriffen · « **Reply #69 on:** April 05, 2003, 08:25:27 AM »

Haven't read the thread. Don't plant to. Read Canuck's initial post and the one immediately following it, though.

My take: this isn't even as bad as having to buy the Zapper or the Super Scope 6 to play a game. This is a way of rewarding those who own both systems, and thus encourages them to own both. Don't want to own both? Fine, you just won't have access to the unnecessary extras.

The other way to look at it is that it's like lego sets. They can all interoprate, letting you make more of them combined than either separate. This way Nintendo can squeeze in features that their competition can't. Just count yourself lucky they haven't decided to make the connection essential for any games, as, IMHO, they are entitled to do.

That's the way the game makers want to make some (note not all) of their games, take it or leave it. To quote Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, "EITHER WAY, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE ENTITLED TO!"

BlackGriffen

MrShag · « **Reply #70 on:** April 05, 2003, 08:27:39 AM »

I'm curious : has anybody brought up that you can only get the bonus mission in Splinter Cell (XBOX) with XBOX Live or a specific OXM issue? This is kind of like the issue thecubedcanuck discussed in the beggining. I can't have access to a special bonus if I don't buy a thing I don't want. Every company does that nowaday. I don't see the necessity to bitch Nintendo for it.

thepoga · « **Reply #71 on:** April 05, 2003, 08:34:25 AM »

you guys are all stupid idiots... just jokin. Has anyone realized that cubediforgetthenamesorry has not made anymore posts? ya. how would the tingle tuner work wit the gamecube? i can see how they could get an extra little space to put the "screen' for the tingle tuner and use a gc controller for the game. but that can take up space on the screen that could get in the way. also, the gc to gba is not a scam, the link thing will not sell the sstems by a large noticeable margin. (i mean mainstream people).

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #72 on:** April 05, 2003, 08:47:33 AM »

thepoga

"Has anyone realized that cubediforgetthenamesorry has not made anymore posts?"

I have posted numerous times in this thread. I am not sure what you are getting at?

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #73 on:** April 05, 2003, 09:08:45 AM »

Strell, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm about as clueless as the sun is cold. Also, if you were too blind to notice, I said that all of us had said stupid things, and that all of us were wrong, somewhere along the line. I'm not suggesting one of us was any more right than the others, and I said drop it. So drop it. And just so you know, mindless insulting is the only type there is. I don't know what you mean by me taking a cheap shot; I wasn't trying to insult you at all. Just pointing out the obvious (something most people have a tendency to overlook).

Strell · « **Reply #74 on:** April 05, 2003, 09:13:09 AM »

There are so many things wrong with that post, I can't even begin to count them, unless I started with "1," and ended up in the thousands somewhere....

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Author Topic: the gameboy to gamecube scam (Read 35876 times)