Topic: the gameboy to gamecube scam

[thecubedcanuck]

I have to say I am seriously pissed at all these new games Nintendo is releasing that only give you certain options if you are connected to a gameboy.
I bought a gamecube, and I buy games for the gamecube, I should not have to buy a handheld unit in order to fully use what I have already purchased, the stupid tingle tuner and original metroid you can open are perfect examples.

I have no desire at all to own or play a handheld unit, I barely have enough time to play the freaking console.
If nintendo wants to have these things in thier games, so be it, but at least give poeple who dont want to buy a GBA another way to open and use these options.

This is honestly a stunt that Microsoft would pull and everyone would be screaming monopoly. I dont see this as any differant and including IE with the Windows disk.

Give me a choice Nintendo, dont force me to buy hardware I simply dont want.

[Ian Sane]

If Nintendo made games that required you to own both systems in order to beat them, then I can understand being angry.  But any of the examples you gave are merely bonuses that aren't required to finish the game.  They're more of a bonus for GBA owners who own both systems then a scam to force people to buy GBAs.

Besides a lot of these bonus realistically require a second screen.  Now the Metroid one doesn't but the Tingle Tuner sure does.  The Tingle Tuner wouldn't work without a GBA screen to look at.

Plus it's not like the GBA is only used to unlock stuff.  It's actually a worthwhile purchase on it's own.  If Nintendo was merely making people buy an unlock device that does nothing but unlock secrets then I would be pissed.  But really the GC and GBA are both worth owning on their own so I don't see any problem with Nintendo rewarding those who own both with special extras.

Microsoft would have done the DVD Remote/Live Starter Kit thing where you have to pay extra to enable the hardware feature that came with the console (in their case the DVD player and modem).

[yeg0]

You don't want a Game Boy Advanced?

There is NO GAME that REQUIRES GCN-GBA link up to complete it. You just get extras.

EDIT: You can also use a friend's GBA

[popkorn1]

Nobody is forcing you to purchase hardware.  Games have *BONUS* features for those who have the ability to take advantage of the link feature.  If the connection was never there, the features wouldn't be in the game.  You paid for Metroid, you got Metroid.  The original Metroid is a BONUS to those who have the extras.  If you don't have it?   Oh well, you got what you paid for with no extras.

The Tingle Tuner absolutely isn't necessary for gameplay.  If the link-up was never created, the Tingle Tuner wouldn't be there - and nobody would miss it.   Nintendo is giving gamers a bonus with this ability, there's no need to complain that you can't take advantage of it.  If you want it so bad, go buy it.  But you definately don't NEED to buy it.

[thecubedcanuck]

You guys are missing the point.

I dont care if they are "BONUS", I bought the game and therefore should be able to access all the features of that game without additional hardware.
Why not have a small pic in pic on the screen where I can access tingle without the GBA?
Why not let me access Metroid when I beat Prime without  a GBA?

They do this in a effort to sell more hardware,  to think otherwise is very niave.

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You don't want a Game Boy Advanced?

No I dont. I have no desire to stare at such a small screen, or play ports of old games, or play games with lesser graphics than the console I already own.

The two items are stand alone. If nintendo wants to connect them for certain things, fine, but give non GBA owners an option to get the same bonus's another way. If not, I see it as nothing more than a marketing ploy.

[reivned]

I agree with thecubecanuck.

I mean I'm sure the GBA is a nice console with a buttload of good games, but I'm not into handheld and I also barely have the time to play my cube. I don't care that much for little extras like that tingle tuner thing (actually I don't even know what it is, haven't started WW yet) or the AC island, but I must admit that I'd like to unlock the original Metroid without renting a GBA and a link cable (none of my friends got either). I mean I payed FULL PRICE for that gamedisc, so I should be allowed access to everything on it without any additional cost or purchase or renting. I mean even if dated it's a entire, stand alone and classic game I cannot access !

Anyway ... the moment they don't issue a game that will require the connectivity I don't bother that much ...  

[StRaNgE]

I hated the GBA  until recently but that did not make me mad or angry that a company would make their two main products interconnect to work with each other.  I did not miss  it in sonic nor Metroid .

I did recently pick up an SP, I had planned on buying a second cube for my work but went with the SP instead. I went ahead and got a  link cable while I was at it and Zelda.  There is no way a picture in picture screen would be the same with tingle.  I play without tingle even though I have an SP and can play with him. So he is still a bonus that  is very unneeded to enjoy the game. I do hook him up when my son wants to play together through and that made it more then worth it.

Yes it's a way for Nintendo to sell more product , why wouldn't it be? they are in the market to sell things, but in no way shape or form  would lacking a game boy advance hinder your enjoyment of the cube games.

Oh and having an SP has actually made me enjoy a hand held something I never thought would happen.

[WesDawg]

Plus the GBA connection is one of the few things that GC has going for it that the other consoles don't. Nintendo would be stupid not to use it. It's supposed to be a system selling point, not an annoyance.

[Bloodworth]

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
I dont care if they are "BONUS", I bought the game and therefore should be able to access all the features of that game without additional hardware.

Well, unfortunately that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  I got Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 last fall, and earlier this month picked up the sweet new Logitech Speed Force steering wheel.  It was a pleasant surprise to find that the game supports the wheel with all sorts of additional force feedback features that change the gameplay significantly.  Should I expect to have these same features without spending $80 on a wheel?  Of course not.  How in the world could you implement them?  Although there are some cheap, uncreative means of using the GBA connectivity, other features like the Tingle Tuner simply are not possible without another screen and controller - whether that means getting an GBA or another GameCube with a Game Boy Player.

[Bloodworth]

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck

No I dont. I have no desire to stare at such a small screen, or play ports of old games, or play games with lesser graphics than the console I already own.

Then why complain about not being able to play the original Metroid.  

[thecubedcanuck]

bloodworth

The wheel and the game are made by differant companies.

The cube and GBA are made by the same one, this is the big differance here.

This is one company trying to sell me additional products they make by limiting what I can do with the products I have already purchased. This IMO is not right.

I am curious how the wheel you mention actually changes the gameplay?
 

[thecubedcanuck]

daniel

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Then why complain about not being able to play the original Metroid.

I am not complaining about not being able to play it as much as not being able to at least have the option without an additional purchase.

[Gharakh]

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I dont care if they are "BONUS", I bought the game and therefore should be able to access all the features of that game without additional hardware. Why not have a small pic in pic on the screen where I can access tingle without the GBA?

what would be the point in that?  of course nintendo is trying to make money off of this but it's also supposed to be a nice little feature for people who already own a gba and cube. it's not like nintendo is taking anything away from the game. you are still getting a full game. you still get all of metroid prime. you still get all of wind waker. i don't see what your complaint is. basically what you're saying is nintendo shouldn't add any bonuses into games and that makes even less sense. how bout you just calm down and enjoy the game for what it is  

[Bloodworth]

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
This is one company trying to sell me additional products they make by limiting what I can do with the products I have already purchased. This IMO is not right.

Well, you're looking at it from an entirely different perspective than the designers.  They're not trying to find ways to cut out features to make you buy a GBA (actually the goal is more likely to sell GameCubes to GBA owners), they're ADDING features as bonuses for those that do have one.  The Metroid thing especially - It's no good to own both games.  You have to BEAT both to get all the bonuses.  Anyways, it has as much to do with the creative possibilities as the marketing possibilities.  Miyamoto told us at DICE that Connectivity is still one of their greater challenges.  They have the ability to link up systems, but they're still trying to find ways to connect them that don't seem merely gimmicky - which IMO Wind Waker is the first to accomplish.

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I am curious how the wheel you mention actually changes the gameplay?

If you've never played with a wheel with force feedback, it's hard to explain, but basically the wheel will pull against you realistically if you get bumped, spin out of control or simply are going up hill at an awkward angle.  You'll also feel bumps as you cross wooden bridges or dirt roads.  It's far more advanced than the simple off/on rumble of standard controllers.

[Strell]

You know cubeddumbnook, you are progressively becoming annoying the more posts I read by you.

You think you have a point, but you don't.  They are called extras for a reason.  Half the time they don't even really enhance gameplay.  At best you get something like the Tingle Tuner, but even that isn't worth all that much.  Animal Crossing gives you all of a boring little island.  Mmmm what else.  I can download chao into a chao garden, etc.

Point being is that there really isn't all that much you can DO with the connection.  Sure it's fun to have the extra incentive, and YES, Nintendo does it to sell more of both system, but it's still a gimmick.  That's the defenition of a gimmick - something that isn't necessary, but is sold in order to provide an incentive for less than the amount you paid for it.  In other words, you spend 10 (cable) + 70 (GBA) = 80 for some things maybe worth 5 bucks.

You were the same guy that complained about mini games.  Well same idea here.  Shutup.  The outcomes of the mini games basically aren't worth the trouble half the time.  A 200 rupee?  Who cares.  I can get that amount in far less time it takes to A) get a treasure map, B) sail to the area, and C) line it up and get the treasure.  

I'll say this.  I think you do have a point.  I just think it's a very weak one, and you're raging against a machine without any real point.  

If, and when, Nintendo makes a game that REQUIRES it - and I hear the GC Pokemon does - then you'll have a point.  So in the future you might.  Until then, just shut up.  I'm tired of your whining.  If you want access to all the features, then shut up and bite the bullet.

It's all economics and marketing.  If Nintendo realizes they can sell an additional 100K GBA's because of the hookup feature, they'd be stupid to NOT take advantage of it.  There's also the fact that Nintendo needs the gimmick to really differentiate themselves.  But both of these points could be debated and discussed far more than I am doing right now, so I'd rather leave this topic here.

[Bloodworth]

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Originally posted by: Strell
You know cubeddumbnook

There's no reason for insults people, no matter how much you disagree.

[thecubedcanuck]

strell

good to see that you need to attack me to prove your point, a true sign of intelligence.

[Ian Sane]

"If, and when, Nintendo makes a game that REQUIRES it - and I hear the GC Pokemon does - then you'll have a point."

Even then it might depend on how the game is presented.  If it for example comes with a GC/GBA cable and says clearly on the box that it requires a GBA and a copy of Pokemon Ruby/Saffire to access the full game then you can't really complain.  At that point the game would have been designed more for Pokemon R/S owners so anyone who just buys the GC game shouldn't have a right to complain.  The game wasn't designed for them.

It's like how Perfect Dark needs the N64 expansion pack to access the whole game.  The game is essentially designed for the expansion pack and says so on the box.  If you don't own the expansion pack and buy the game it's your fault for not doing the research.

If I used this "if I can't access it it's a rip off" logic then a whole slew of my DVD's are a scam to make me buy a DVD-ROM drive because they have DVD-ROM exclusive features.

"The wheel and the game are made by differant companies. The cube and GBA are made by the same one, this is the big differance here."

So that means that when Sega adds a portable Chao garden to Sonic Adventure 2 Battle it's not a scam but when Nintendo adds the island to Animal Crossing it is?  It doesn't make a difference.

[Fammy2000]

What about Pokemon games? You need two of those boogers to catch all the Pokemon.
What about Animal Crossing? It literally takes a miracle to unlock all the NES games without cheating or trading. (BTW, if anyone wants to send me any of the rare games...)

Am I mad? No.

[Cap]

i own a gba and i have to say for the most part you arent missing out on much. everything that has been done so far has been made with only being EXTRAS in mind. personaly, i bought a gba hoping that games would make more extensive use of the connection then has been done(creating games around the link, rather then tossing extras on). hopefully final fantasy:cc will change that.

[PIAC]

geez... way to find fault when its not really needed i have both GBA and GCN, while i haven't finnished metroid prime or fusion yet, im looking foward to opening the bonus', yet its not really the end of the world if i cant get a different skin for samus or play a 15? year old game. ohwell, everyones entitled to an opinion, just strikes me as odd that someone would complain about something thats rather insignifigant..

/me wanders to the loungeroom and plays metroid prime

[Strell]

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
strell

good to see that you need to attack me to prove your point, a true sign of intelligence.

Good to say you CAN'T make a point no matter what, an even better indicated of intelligence.

[Strell]

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Originally posted by: Fammy2000
What about Pokemon games? You need two of those boogers to catch all the Pokemon.
What about Animal Crossing? It literally takes a miracle to unlock all the NES games without cheating or trading. (BTW, if anyone wants to send me any of the rare games...)

Am I mad? No.

Yea, I forgot, the whole "trading" aspect of Pokemon.  Really, spend anothr 30 bucks on a game instead of taking advantage of one of Pokemon's greatest strengths.

What ABOUT Animal Crossing?  That's how the game is designed, you understand that don't you?  I didn't go around crying when it took me 3-4 hours on average to get a special weapon in Earthbound, like the Gutsy Bat or Sword of Kings.

You people realize games are designed with specific purposes and goals, right?  That you don't open it up, pop it in, and it goes YOU HAVE WON THE GAME!  Geez, I remember when it took pure hardcore oldskool skill to beat games, when 99% was skill and 1% was luck.  I'd hate to see you poeple put through the rigors of the harder NES and SNES games.  "Omg I can't get a free man until a million points?"

And yes, I do walk 5 miles through the snow uphill agains the wind both ways without shoes in order to get to skool.  I also have to shoot wolves on the way there, stop the bank robber, and free the children from the clutches of the eeeeeeevil Ice Queen.

Are you mad? No.  Do you have a point? Also no.
 

[thecubedcanuck]

strell

you sound like a bitter child. grow up

[Strell]

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck

strell

good to see that you need to attack me to prove your point, a true sign of intelligence.

you sound like a bitter child. grow up

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