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What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« on: May 09, 2008, 05:26:29 AM »
Hillary came to town and I went.

She arrived late, spoke, then said that if we had questions we could ask her as she was signing ****.

After waiting for 10 minutes as she signed the ****, she hobbled down the line towards me. I said to her, "Do you still support videogame legislation?" She said "For M-Rated titles, yes. No one under 18 should be playing an M-Rated Title."

I replied: "I agree, but didn't you try to pass legislation that would fine on-site managers $5000 if they sold a game to a minor?"

"I know it's not a great system, but it's the retailers who are selling the games to minors. The evidence shows that violent games are very damaging to children."

"I believe the ESRB should be responsible for self-enforcing within the industry," I replied.

"But who sets those standards and keeps them in check? How can we trust the industry?" she responded.

"There are no rules like this in place for movies or music being sold to minors."

"I know, and that's why we may have to come up with something better in the future. Years of studies have shown that violent videogames have a drastic effect on children, and we need to protect them."

With that I thanked her for her time. I cannot, of course, remember exactly word for word what she or I said, but this is a good approximation that makes both of us sound more eloquent. She was VERY nice to me and seemed (unbelievably) frustrated with the concept of fining store managers for selling games to minors. She had many opportunities to walk past me during this one to two minute conversation (constant interruptions from people shoving posters in her face made this very short exchange much longer than it appears), but she seemed to want to address the issue with me (a potential voter) and stayed until I was satisfied. I was getting tongue-tied and blanking out, otherwise I would have kept her there for a few more minutes.

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 06:03:30 AM »
Wow, orange. How's your retinas?

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 01:03:36 PM »
I would care if she had a chance at the nomination but at the moment her opinion matters as much as Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee on the matter.
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 01:04:16 PM »
I would care if she had a chance at the nomination but at the moment her opinion matters as much as Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee on the matter.

I live in New York, sadly her opinion does matter :(
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 01:05:40 PM »
I would care if she had a chance at the nomination but at the moment her opinion matters as much as Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee on the matter.

I live in New York, sadly her opinion does matter :(

Ah well, there is that!
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 01:12:46 PM »
I would care if she had a chance at the nomination but at the moment her opinion matters as much as Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee on the matter.

Which is as at least as much as mine!

No federal enforcement of the ESRB please.
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 01:49:36 PM »
I would care if she had a chance at the nomination but at the moment her opinion matters as much as Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee on the matter.

Which is as at least as much as mine!

No federal enforcement of the ESRB please.

Seconded.

Her response is about what I would expect from her.  After all, she's the person who once said, "When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything."  For context, this statement was in response to a question about social security benefits, but I still find the general sentiment to be very scary.

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 02:00:10 PM »
Hillary came to town and I went.

Did you show her your Obama tattoo?
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 02:31:15 PM »
Let me add a bit of info: in the context of the location, situation, and audience, Hillary's response to me was gracious and informative. She was signing scraps and posters as hundreds of her fans were crushing towards the fence protecting her. Instead of disregarding my question (would've been EASY to do) or just giving a pat and pre-determined answer, she responded to the exact questions I asked. When I said something stupid, she called me out, and when I said something smart and informed, she said that I was right. The exchange above seems hostile when in reality it was one of the coolest things I've ever seen a politician do.

That said, her response is not adequate from a political standpoint. She made an effort to see both sides, and has fallen on the wrong side of the fence. Yet, I was on a very weird Hillary high for hours after I met her, because she seriously stopped in her tracks to talk with me. I wouldn't be surprised if an hour after I left she was still talking to people in the arena.

edit: also, Hillary's opinion matters way more than Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee's right now, in terms of power. Ron Paul is in the House of Representatives, whose actions are not as publicized and whose members are not as celebrated. Mike Huckabee is unemployed. Hillary is a United States Senator, and though she was elected from and represents New York, her decisions impact the whole nation; Senators are Nationally-minded politicians elected locally. Her videogame laws would not just impact New York. Also, she may (in the future) be our Vice-President or serve in a cabinet position or maybe, by some weird miracle, running in the general election for President this November. All I can say is, after this historic election, do not expect Hillary to go the way of the dodo.
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 02:42:30 PM »
Instead of disregarding my question (would've been EASY to do) or just giving a pat and pre-determined answer, she responded to the exact questions I asked.

I guess there's a first time for everything.  * zing *
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 03:29:22 PM »
I've been watching the First Season of Prison Break. Watch out for her secret service agents.

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 03:37:24 PM »
Didn't realize I had a say over who New York elects (Besides I was being sarcastic). There is too much to be concerned about with my own Senators to worry about. ANYWAY, I guess today she put on a different personality which the hideous orange suit represented. Or perhaps it was blind any potential snipers in the vicinity. ;)
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2008, 03:44:38 PM »
I've been watching the First Season of Prison Break. Watch out for her secret service agents.

Stop after you finish that season, the rest of the show will infuriate you with its craptastic plot.
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 04:31:24 PM »
Until you explain the abomination of Boris Johnson, i shall weep for every passing day. Camels will eventually join in with the tears.

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2008, 04:41:52 PM »
Transportation or Open Container? If Open Container, good on him. Dirty winos...

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2008, 04:54:57 PM »
It's open containers apparently.

They should start with taking away the free travel from the under 16's who get on the bus, travel one stop for 400 metres and get off again.

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2008, 05:07:40 PM »
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After all, she's the person who once said, "When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything."

That is a scary statement.  If I was a politician I think I would avoid using huge blanket words like "everything", "anything", "nothing", "never" or "always".  The statement could be interpreted to mean that private ownership of anything is bad.  Hell even if someone thought that I imagine if they were running for public office they wouldn't want the American public to know that's how they felt.

I think she answered those game related questions quite well.  And remember this isn't like she's on a podium or on TV.  She's just talking to one person who should blow off and no one would ever know.  I'll give full credit for at least appearing (with politicians you never know) to care about questions from one random guy.

I've gone to a few political rallies with my parents and I don't think I'll go to one again.  In all those cases it was a politician that I was seriously considering voting for and eventually did.  But I found the constant cheering from supporters and phony smiles of the whole thing irritating.  Politicians are such that even when they're saying something that I really strongly agree with I find it irritating.  There's a salesman kind of feel to it all.  They want my vote and it often feels like that's all their interested in.  Once in a while I do see a politician that comes across like they really want to do what's right for the country (or region) though usually they subscribe to an idealogy that really doesn't co-exist with mine.  Still I'll give them credit for really believing in something even if I think only a misguided idiot would have that idea.  I guess the idiot is better than the crook or the phony.

But man is that orange outfit gross. ;)

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2008, 05:17:27 PM »
Isn't discussing politicians the same as discussing politics? Just wondering cuz I would like to express my thoughts on the matter but don't want to step into that bannable territory again.

It's cool that your taking an active interest in the running of our government though which is more than most people around here can say. Me personally I have done my fair share of grassroots campaigning in the last 2 elections and this time around I am not even going to bother, the candidate I would support has already dropped out.
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2008, 06:28:54 PM »
Isn't discussing politicians the same as discussing politics? Just wondering cuz I would like to express my thoughts on the matter but don't want to step into that bannable territory again.

It's cool that your taking an active interest in the running of our government though which is more than most people around here can say. Me personally I have done my fair share of grassroots campaigning in the last 2 elections and this time around I am not even going to bother, the candidate I would support has already dropped out.

I don't think that is fair to say about people here, there are those of us (Like me) that don't feel this is the appropriate place which is why I use my blog.

Anyway to Ian, I agree with you which is why I wouldn't go to a rally, it is basically preaching the choir and lots of curtailing what you say to your audience. It is kind of funny a year ago I went to the Ronald Reagan club and there was this one obnoxious politician that kissed everyone's butt but wouldn't shut up and was obnoxious. What made it really funny was that he was bragging he got the "silver" in one election.
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2008, 06:53:02 PM »
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What made it really funny was that he was bragging he got the "silver" in one election.

 :rolleyes:

I got "silver" once in trying to win over a girl I was interested in.  You don't see me bragging about that.

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2008, 07:57:55 PM »
I have a question about the original post.

She was VERY nice to me and seemed (unbelievably) frustrated with the concept of fining store managers for selling games to minors.

When you say unbelievably, do you mean oh my, I was really surprised she wasn't batshit crazy or do you mean I think she was being insincere?
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2008, 08:15:36 PM »
You should have asked her why she's working so hard to forcibly take money from some people so she can redistribute it to whomever she feels is more deserving.  That would have been a more interesting answer.
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2008, 01:40:07 AM »
I don't think any sane person should vote for Hillarious anyway.

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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2008, 05:55:15 AM »
I have a question about the original post.

She was VERY nice to me and seemed (unbelievably) frustrated with the concept of fining store managers for selling games to minors.

When you say unbelievably, do you mean oh my, I was really surprised she wasn't batshit crazy or do you mean I think she was being insincere?
Uh, the former I guess. I thought it was weird how much her own idea pained her, and she seemed very sincere about it. She wasn't taking her cues from me as far as I could tell.
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Re: What I said to Hillary (pertinent to videogames)
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2008, 11:15:01 AM »
Isn't discussing politicians the same as discussing politics? Just wondering cuz I would like to express my thoughts on the matter but don't want to step into that bannable territory again.

It's cool that your taking an active interest in the running of our government though which is more than most people around here can say. Me personally I have done my fair share of grassroots campaigning in the last 2 elections and this time around I am not even going to bother, the candidate I would support has already dropped out.

I don't think that is fair to say about people here, there are those of us (Like me) that don't feel this is the appropriate place which is why I use my blog.

Anyway to Ian, I agree with you which is why I wouldn't go to a rally, it is basically preaching the choir and lots of curtailing what you say to your audience. It is kind of funny a year ago I went to the Ronald Reagan club and there was this one obnoxious politician that kissed everyone's butt but wouldn't shut up and was obnoxious. What made it really funny was that he was bragging he got the "silver" in one election.


What are you saying isn't fair, that I don't want to get into a political discussion because it is against the rules or that I think it is cool Even is getting involved?
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