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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2008, 03:34:59 PM »
I agree with Shyguy, Nintendo needs to stay the course and not worry about following MS or Sony, Wii is running circles around those consoles why should Nintendo change their strategy to appease fans of their competition?

Sure things like VC and Wii Channels not being able to run from the SD card can be a problem, that is what Nintendo needs to work on like Pale said, those few games that require a hard drive are all built in HD and use all the muscle the big consoles have anyways, so the hard drive is not a very good excuse for not seeing those games.

Would I like Wii to have a hard drive, play games in HD and run normal DVD's/CD's? HELL YES, but does it affect me at all not being able to do those things? Nope not one bit. Besides any games that will not come to Wii because of it's lack of Hard Drive, is likely available on a PC anyways which offers more flexibility than either of the big consoles anyways.


As far as patches and demo games and stuff like that, yeah it would be nice but by not having the hard drive as an option forces devs to get it right the first time with Wii, some thing Bully proved. With 360 they could throw out a crappy games and patch it up latter on, for the Wii they didn't have that luxory. I haven't played the game myself but it seams to me all the complaining was the 360 version right?

Right now is the sweet spot, if Nintendo offers Hard Drive support by the end of this year, then there is plenty of time for developers to catch on and take advantage of it, if they wait too long than it will be too late in the game and nobody will be supporting it. It is something that maybe could have been done from the start but historically Nintendo has shown that if they don't want it they won't support it and right now their current model shows they want nothing to do with putting a hard drive on Wii so chances are they never will.
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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2008, 03:43:09 PM »
It is something that maybe could have been done from the start but historically Nintendo has shown that if they don't want it they won't support it and right now their current model shows they want nothing to do with putting a hard drive on Wii so chances are they never will.
There was an interview with Iwata recently where he said it was something Nintendo was thinking about.
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2008, 03:45:36 PM »
we need more space ya but not 100 gigs of space. Like 2-3 gigs I'd say.
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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2008, 03:47:08 PM »
Would've been appropriate to have a poll at the top of the thread asking what % of their Wii Internal Flash Memory has already been consumed.
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2008, 03:56:17 PM »
I used to believe the same thing about patches.  Then Guitar Hero 3 happened.  Third parties will still ship out games with glaring problems even if they can't patch them, and it's a lot more hassle for us to get the fix when they do.

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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2008, 05:40:41 PM »
It is something that maybe could have been done from the start but historically Nintendo has shown that if they don't want it they won't support it and right now their current model shows they want nothing to do with putting a hard drive on Wii so chances are they never will.
There was an interview with Iwata recently where he said it was something Nintendo was thinking about.


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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2008, 06:29:53 PM »
"Besides, there's still that perceived notion of computers being 'hard to configure' and **** for the end user, as if they're hunting down drivers for Windows 95 or something. I guess most people just don't like to have options, which is all too apparent when you can't even configure your control scheme in most console games."

Isn't this attitude pretty much why Apple stays in business?  Macs are a lot like consoles in how the sacrifice flexibility in return for stability.  Add too many non-gaming functions and effectively a console would become a game focused Mac.

I think there's a happy medium between a PC and a overly simplified inflexible console.  Nintendo makes high quality products and has good customer service but they assume their userbase are stupid.  They're so worried about being user-friendly that they're restrictive.  Just look at the controller.  The whole remote shaped design is based on the notion that non-gamers are too easily confused by "traditional" controllers.  But those controllers provide a lot of flexibility and functionality.  Having eight buttons instead of two provides more control scheme options.  It isn't like they're just extra doodads thrown on.  Making the controller more complicated over time allowed for games to expand in more directions.  There's a purpose to the design, even if grandma is too dumb to figure it out.

My Dad doesn't pay at the pump because it's too confusing for him.  I on the other hand always pay at the pump.  If Nintendo ran the world's gas stations pay at the pump wouldn't exist because a large chunk of the population doesn't understand it.

An ideal console should not be afraid of confusing Joe Blow the moron.  It should be easy enough to just plug-and-play for the average user.  But it should support many types of displays: TVs, computer monitors, HD, standard resultion, PAL, whatever.  As long as the average Joe can plug it into a run of the mill TV with ease, he's not going to get confused by other options.  Same with sound options.  Having a standard controller is needed but other controller options like arcade joysticks or paddle controllers or wheels or lightguns or motion controlled remotes or mice or keyboards or flightsticks should be available.  Being able to attach whatever hard drive you want.  Being able to use whatever internet connection you want.  Being able to customize the controller on a level outside the game (ie: I decide that B = A). That kind of flexibility is not going to turn a console into a PC.

What needs to remain on consoles that will keep them as consoles:
1. Third party licencing so only officially approved games are available.
2. The guts of the hardware are standard.  Same RAM, graphics chip, sound chip, CPU, etc. for every console.  Everyone has the same guts so everything runs the same on every machine.
3.  Standard controller that comes with the console that all developers must use as their base model.
4.  All game saves are done in such a way that all saves can be easily located by the user using a built-in file management program so as to transfer saves to other storage devices easily.
5.  You put a game in the console, hit the power button, and the game loads up.  You push the reset button and the game resets.

Aside from that you could do whatever you wanted.  It is possible to have a console that allows for incredible flexibility while still being simple plug-n-play for the average user.  THAT is what a real hardcore gamer console would be.  That's also what a true everyone console would be.  It's the "and" console that Reggie lies about the Wii being.

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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2008, 06:50:33 PM »
So you want a PS3?
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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2008, 08:24:04 PM »
Hard drives are the path to the dark side. Hard drives lead to porn, and porn leads to suffering.

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The problem with this plan is that they need to fix the SD support FIRST.  I saw this because I'm sure that if they do enable external hard drives, they would just work like the current SD slot anyway.  They NEED to make it so the main wii menu can feed off of things other than its internal memory.  This is the first step.
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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2008, 10:56:29 PM »
Seriously, I think the problem would be easily solved if Nintendo allowed SD cards to function exactly the same as the internal flash memory, and basically supplement it. As of now, it seems 4gb SD cards are quite common, and I think they go up as high as 32 gb or even more... Would anyone really need anymore space than that on their Wii? If they do, I suppose they can carry on swapping, but 99.9% of people could probably do just fine on 4gb or less.

So why should Nintendo add a hard drive? Hard drives are expensive, and the amount of storage space they would offer just isn't necessary. I say SD cards could solve the problem, but Nintendo needs to remove the restrictions on them and allow VC games and other stuff to run off them directly, as opposed to swapping like you have to do now...
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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2008, 10:58:12 PM »
I've never played a 360 game that required any type of install. Sure, some require the HDD for cache, but I don't any of them require any type of "install" - not including DLC or Xbox originals, etc, of course. Now to get back on track. There is already a homebrew team that is working on HDD support (for homebrew only, since you can't run Wii/GCN games off of anything besides the disc, and can't run WiiWare or VC games from anything besides the internal flash memory), so Nintendo really needs to look at this issue, and fix it.

Edit - Hard drives are not expensive. When the Wii came out a 2GB SD card in most stores would cost about $40, you could easily get an 80GB HDD for the same price then.
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2008, 11:15:57 PM »
2 GB is about 7 bucks on Newegg.  Just saying, not knockin' your knowledge Brandogg.
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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2008, 12:50:25 AM »
I spend about 3 hours looking thru Newegg at work, each day.
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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2008, 12:53:00 AM »
I spend about 3 hours looking thru Newegg at work, each day.

Isn't it bad?  I avoid that satanic site because I stare at it all day if I want a new computer component.
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Re: Wii don't need a hard drive.
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2008, 11:50:23 AM »
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When the Wii came out a 2GB SD card in most stores would cost about $40, you could easily get an 80GB HDD for the same price then.

2 GB is about 7 bucks on Newegg.  Just saying, not knockin' your knowledge Brandogg.


I think you missed that first part.

Anyways I still don't think adding a Hard Drive now is going to make much of a difference. Not unless they do it before this year is up. I haven't had any problems with the 1 GB SD card I have so I am not going to fill that up for a long time and until I do I won't worry about expanding.

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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2008, 12:17:20 PM »
When the Wii first came out, 2GB Kingston SD cards were $20, at Newegg.
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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2008, 01:13:57 PM »
To back up Madonna's point, I have a receipt as proof.

Also, I'm pretty sure the 4GB and up ones aren't supported by the Wii.

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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2008, 01:25:42 PM »
I don't doubt that Pro. But I was just saying because 2 GB is so cheap. I wasn't going after anyone's knowledge.

PB, I don't think anything greater than 2GB works because of the hardware and ultimately Driver change.
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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2008, 01:25:57 PM »
To back up Madonna's point, I have a receipt as proof.

Also, I'm pretty sure the 4GB and up ones aren't supported by the Wii.

Yup, that's right. Up to 2GB cards are supported as stated on the Nintendo Web Site
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« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2008, 01:36:38 PM »
Alright so I know the solution.  1 firmware update,

This firmware update will add the newer SD drivers as well as allow things to be run off SD cards.  PROBLEM SOLVED.
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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2008, 02:03:42 PM »
It may be a hardware limitation. If the hardware can't handle 4GB+ cards then it'll stuck like that.

If it's the case, then this is (cue Ian's brilliant line of) Nintendo nailing their dick to the floor.

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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2008, 04:16:09 PM »
I think the point was a Hard Drive was still cheaper by any case. Now hard drives are even cheaper still and even though SD cards keep going down in price, like it has been said if the cap is 2GB it won't matter.

But the thread is about weather or not Wii *needs* a hard drive and I think that is not the case I think it is more Wii needs to be able to access the flash memory in the SD card as if it was the Wii internal memory.

Nintendo doesn't seam to be willing to do that thought because of their Piracy fears. Which I think is utter BS. I mean if you buy a Disc game you can plug it into ANY system you want, same with the old carts, you SHOULD be able to do the same with VC games you buy, BUT they should bake it so you can play them on any system but can only SAVE THEM to YOUR system. That would be a better solution where everybody wins.
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2008, 04:27:44 PM »
I think the point was a Hard Drive was still cheaper by any case. Now hard drives are even cheaper still and even though SD cards keep going down in price, like it has been said if the cap is 2GB it won't matter.

But the thread is about weather or not Wii *needs* a hard drive and I think that is not the case I think it is more Wii needs to be able to access the flash memory in the SD card as if it was the Wii internal memory.

Nintendo doesn't seam to be willing to do that thought because of their Piracy fears. Which I think is utter BS. I mean if you buy a Disc game you can plug it into ANY system you want, same with the old carts, you SHOULD be able to do the same with VC games you buy, BUT they should bake it so you can play them on any system but can only SAVE THEM to YOUR system. That would be a better solution where everybody wins.

Everybody except Nintendo would win, because anyone could copy all their VC games to a bunch of SD cards and give them away to a bunch of people which would cost Nintendo sales.
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2008, 04:37:03 PM »
When the Wii first came out, 2GB Kingston SD cards were $20, at Newegg.

Yep, and I paid $19.99 for a 2GB SanDisk SD card at Best Buy in November 2006, solely for use in my Wii.
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