Topic: The Conduit

[GoldenPhoenix]

I actually saw a commercial for this game last night. I'm glad to see they're actually advertising for this game. They list some of the critic's comments, and I think it is kind of funny how the voice-over says "The best first-person shooter" but doesn't mention the "on the Wii" part.

Well that's because nobody thinks it's better than FPSes on the PC, and it IS better than the ones on PS360.

Really, you think this game as an entire package (multiplayer AND single-player) is better than games like Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, etc.?  That's...umm...an "interesting" opinion there.  Maybe the multiplayer is up to snuff (I wouldn't know, as I haven't tried it yet), but you can't possibly argue the single-player is better.

I know your didn't ask me this, but based on controls I'd go with the Conduit, and while all around I think Bioshock/CoD4 are far better games, it still is refreshing to go back to basics in online play. I think they can coexist on some level, but yeah I'd have to admit when push comes to shove they are better all around games (especially Bioshock, CoD4 really isn't that different from the previous CoD games)

[broodwars]

I actually saw a commercial for this game last night. I'm glad to see they're actually advertising for this game. They list some of the critic's comments, and I think it is kind of funny how the voice-over says "The best first-person shooter" but doesn't mention the "on the Wii" part.

Well that's because nobody thinks it's better than FPSes on the PC, and it IS better than the ones on PS360.

Really, you think this game as an entire package (multiplayer AND single-player) is better than games like Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, etc.?  That's...umm...an "interesting" opinion there.  Maybe the multiplayer is up to snuff (I wouldn't know, as I haven't tried it yet), but you can't possibly argue the single-player is better.

I know your didn't ask me this, but based on controls I'd go with the Conduit, and while all around I think Bioshock/CoD4 are far better games, it still is refreshing to go back to basics in online play. I think they can coexist on some level, but yeah I'd have to admit when push comes to shove they are better all around games (especially Bioshock, CoD4 really isn't that different from the previous CoD games)

Yeah, I didn't ask about the controls because at this point it should be obvious to everyone that no game is going to best an FPS with a well-implemented Wii control scheme.  It's simply a superior input device for first-person games, though my inability to hold the Wiimote steady for aiming has been my achilles heel playing them.  That's the one nice thing about PC or console FPS games: when I put the cursor somewhere, the cursor doesn't jitter around every time my arm's feeling cramped.  It makes aiming so much easier, especially sniping.

[KDR_11k]

I think The Conduit suffers badly when lag is in play though I haven't been playing that much MP yet (got some new timesinks in the form of Banjo Kazooie N&B and Picross DS and still have a lot of the SP campaign left to do).

[DAaaMan64]

No lag, ever, once in the Conduit. Seriously.

[BwrJim!]

i have only had lag a little bit here and there, mostly good.  I ran across a hacker or two though when I set up that room.  Nothing beats taking a rocket to the face and the ground, surviving and then chasing me down when I try and get away.    His health never dropped.    maybe next time the private matches will work out better for me 8(

[KDR_11k]

No lag, ever, once in the Conduit. Seriously.

Maybe that's because playing with Americans means playing with people in your own country instead of people on the other side of the atlantic ocean?

[DAaaMan64]

nah, no weh

[KDR_11k]

It's still laggy though playing with rapid fire weapons mostly works, spray and pray ( aiming suffers heavily from the low framerate). Trying to hit with precision weapons is pretty hard. Still a total WTF on the framerate, I've played Descent 3 on dialup back in the day and the framerate was unaffected, have we gone so many steps backwards that we can't even write netcode that doesn't **** the framerate when lagging?

[Stratos]

I seem to do fine with precision shooting. I get a lot of head shots with the pistol and SCAR. The SCAR is my baby. 

Though from time to time I am all WTF when none of my shots seem to be hitting. That is no doubt lag. I almost wonder if one person with a bad connection can screw up the entire game. There was one where I was playing with Djunknown and Adolph Vega and it was chaos. 12 people in the Warehouse and the laggiest game I ever played. Everyone was missing everyone and everyone was skipping all over the place. I think one or two people with bad connections were causing it.

[AV]

I seem to do fine with precision shooting. I get a lot of head shots with the pistol and SCAR. The SCAR is my baby. 

Though from time to time I am all WTF when none of my shots seem to be hitting. That is no doubt lag. I almost wonder if one person with a bad connection can screw up the entire game. There was one where I was playing with Djunknown and Adolph Vega and it was chaos. 12 people in the Warehouse and the laggiest game I ever played. Everyone was missing everyone and everyone was skipping all over the place. I think one or two people with bad connections were causing it.

I wish the servers would automatically toss out players. Your connection is too weak it is affecting other people.....

[BeautifulShy]

Hey in the matchmaking forum I have posted a topic about a 12 player Friend only Wi-Fi night.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28818.0

[ShyGuy]

We need to push this thread to a hundred pages.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Hey in the matchmaking forum I have posted a topic about a 12 player Friend only Wi-Fi night.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28818.0

I need to make an effort to participate in one of those.

[BeautifulShy]

Hey in the matchmaking forum I have posted a topic about a 12 player Friend only Wi-Fi night.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28818.0

I need to make an effort to participate in one of those.

Well here is your golden opportunity.

[broodwars]

Hey in the matchmaking forum I have posted a topic about a 12 player Friend only Wi-Fi night.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28818.0

I need to make an effort to participate in one of those.

Well here is your golden opportunity.

I swear you picked such a far-off date to ensure I'd have to hold on to my copy till then.   

[Stratos]

Hey in the matchmaking forum I have posted a topic about a 12 player Friend only Wi-Fi night.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28818.0

I need to make an effort to participate in one of those.

I've yet to actually play a game with you so you should join.

[BeautifulShy]

Hey in the matchmaking forum I have posted a topic about a 12 player Friend only Wi-Fi night.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28818.0

I need to make an effort to participate in one of those.

Well here is your golden opportunity.

I swear you picked such a far-off date to ensure I'd have to hold on to my copy till then.  

Maybe I did.  Maybe I didn't. The world will never know.

[KDR_11k]

I seem to do fine with precision shooting. I get a lot of head shots with the pistol and SCAR. The SCAR is my baby. 

I doubt you're getting the framerate reduction from the lag though. I do, it's catastrophic, the cursor responds too slowly for accurate aiming. Jumpy players are a pretty regular ocurrance for me. Anything at close range is practically blind, melee hits are more luck than skill.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I seem to do fine with precision shooting. I get a lot of head shots with the pistol and SCAR. The SCAR is my baby. 

I doubt you're getting the framerate reduction from the lag though. I do, it's catastrophic, the cursor responds too slowly for accurate aiming. Jumpy players are a pretty regular ocurrance for me. Anything at close range is practically blind, melee hits are more luck than skill.

I knew the dopefish was more then a terrifying fish it curses you as well!

[KDR_11k]

Well, I can do precision shots just fine in Water Warfare.

[MegaByte]

I'm thinking there are two possibilities.  Bad netcode or constrained servers.  The latter could also explain why Water Warfare works better.  I don't think it's coincidence that online games on Nintendo's service tend to work worse in high traffic times like right after launch.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I'm thinking there are two possibilities.  Bad netcode or constrained servers.  The latter could also explain why Water Warfare works better.  I don't think it's coincidence that online games on Nintendo's service tend to work worse in high traffic times like right after launch.

Has HVS ever created an online mode for their games where multiple people are playing?

[DAaaMan64]

See my signature.

[KDR_11k]

I'm thinking there are two possibilities.  Bad netcode or constrained servers.  The latter could also explain why Water Warfare works better.  I don't think it's coincidence that online games on Nintendo's service tend to work worse in high traffic times like right after launch.

Water Warfare lags, it just lags differently. No matter how badly the server is loaded it should NEVER lead to a framerate reduction on the client because the rendering should be independent of the game simulation. Onslaught DID have framerate reducing lag when I played a match shortly after the US launch but the next match ran fine. Don't Wii games run P2P anyway, i.e. there is no server for anything outside of matchmaking?

[Stratos]

I'm thinking there are two possibilities.  Bad netcode or constrained servers.  The latter could also explain why Water Warfare works better.  I don't think it's coincidence that online games on Nintendo's service tend to work worse in high traffic times like right after launch.

Water Warfare lags, it just lags differently. No matter how badly the server is loaded it should NEVER lead to a framerate reduction on the client because the rendering should be independent of the game simulation. Onslaught DID have framerate reducing lag when I played a match shortly after the US launch but the next match ran fine. Don't Wii games run P2P anyway, i.e. there is no server for anything outside of matchmaking?

If they run P2P (which is how I understood they ran) then anyone with a poor connection can wreck the game. Wasn't that half the reason Brawl's online was so disastrous? MKWii used that correction trick so it was less noticeable.