Topic: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?

[Bill Aurion]

Not really, especially when most 3rd party offerings are still crap (speaking as a 360 owner)...

[GoldenPhoenix]

Not really, especially when most 3rd party offerings are still crap (speaking as a 360 owner)...

I like my 360 but Bill has a point, the system is just as bad when it comes to being flooded by "flashy" but shallow titles that are kind of like clones of each other. Personally I think having graphical power as a crutch is far more likely to lead to stagnation than having to think of new ways of creating games without relying on that one thing (Boom BLox is a perfect example of this).

[Mashiro]

I'm not looking for a plethora of good third party games . . . just third party games (and well games in general) that I know won't be on the Wii.

See: GTA IV, SC 4, Mass Effect

I also am interested in some Xbox Live games like SFII HD and the recently announced SC I remake.

I'm not looking for a lot but lately even Nintendo first party titles aren't doing it for me or my friends.

[Bill Aurion]

Sounds more like you are burning out on gaming, period...Well, at least the good side of gaming... =)

[GoldenPhoenix]

I'm not looking for a plethora of good third party games . . . just third party games (and well games in general) that I know won't be on the Wii.

See: GTA IV, SC 4, Mass Effect

I also am interested in some Xbox Live games like SFII HD and the recently announced SC I remake.

I'm not looking for a lot but lately even Nintendo first party titles aren't doing it for me or my friends.

Nintendo R 4 Kidz

[Ian Sane]

I like my 360 but Bill has a point, the system is just as bad when it comes to being flooded by "flashy" but shallow titles that are kind of like clones of each other.

Maybe the problem is that third parties in general aren't maintaining a good level of quality.  I still think there's some really obvious stuff like GTA IV being on every console BUT the Wii.  That shouldn't be happening.

I do think their are far too many bland games with boring setting though.  Pretty much any non-Japanese game that strives for somewhat realistic looking graphics just doesn't stand out.  Compare the Call of Duty, Rainbow Six and Battlefield series.  F*ck, does ANYTHING stand out about those at all?  I would get screenshots of those games mixed up.  Crap on Halo but at least Master Chief has a distinct look that gives the game some personality.  All these modern setting army games and realistic racing games and sports games all blur together.  It makes those games seem more disposable.  And they are.  Those games have no shelf life once a sequel comes out.

Realistic graphics don't have to be boring.  Konami and Capcom frequently release games with human characters with correct proportions and yet it doesn't look dull.  Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil for example don't look generic.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Ian you forgot to add Army of One in your list with Rainbow Six and co 

[Mashiro]

::shrugs:: Good is a suggestive term.

What is good to some isn't good to others.

Should I keep with nintendo so I can play the next version of Mario Kart? or should I stomp on new grounds, play some new games and have fun with it like I used to many years ago?

Are Nintendo games great? Of course they are, it's just getting tiring now. Brawl made me realize just how tired I am of the Nintendo formula. Playing with friends on the 360 made me realize how much I have been restricting myself by sticking with the Wii and only the Wii.

It just makes no sense.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Nothing like stepping out of the Nintendo formula to the sci-fi/wwII/shoot lots of things formula!

[animecyberrat]

Hey Crackdown was fun ok. Everything else yeah sure why not, but at least 360 had Crackdown and Lost Planet and Dead Rising and a few others in the beginning. Not saying I think Wii doesn't have good games cuz I like a lot of what Wii has to offer, but 360 does have some of the good stuff Wii is lacking, hell it even has BETTER RPG's so far. damn it somebody remind me how much I love the VC before I put my Wii up on ebay...

[Bill Aurion]

or should I stomp on new grounds, play some new games and have fun with it like I used to many years ago?

I guess...If you actually had listed some games that are actually new...

GTAIV and SCIV?  SFIIHD and SC, which are REMAKE/PORTS!?  The only game there that is somewhat original is Mass Effect, and even that relies on some rather outdated battle gameplay... =/

At least add something like Bioshock (which I guess also isn't all that original considering it's basically System Shock 2) or, uh...Oblivion?  Geez, I like both of these games tons but they are hardly original...But whatever, it's not like I'm trying to talk you out of getting a 360, I'm just trying to save you some money so you don't get it and realize that gaming is rather derivative for the most part on the other side of the fence...

Hey Crackdown was fun ok. Everything else yeah sure why not, but at least 360 had Crackdown and Lost Planet and Dead Rising and a few others in the beginning.

Thanks, I was looking for some more examples of derivative 3rd party games!

[Ian Sane]

I'm not sick of the Nintendo formula but rather the execution of it.  I AM tired of the same old sequels.  I look at the big Wii games and it's Zelda, Mario, Metroid, SSB, Mario Kart.  All good but, f*ck, I've played it before.  Wii Sports feels like a demo to me but at least it's new.  It's a new concept that isn't attached to a franchise.  I was getting sick of the sequels on the Cube as well.  Nintendo seems to think "core gamers" just want sequels and that sucks.  I want to see brand new stuff from Nintendo that isn't simplistic dumbed-down non-game junk.  But that's where their creativity is going.  Hate to always bring up Pikmin but Nintendo doesn't have that many other relatively new franchises to use as an example.  That was a new concept and new franchise and it was typical Nintendo formula.  But it engrossed me and all the Cube Mario spin-offs didn't.

The Nintendo formula is awesome and I don't think it will ever get old.  It's just a good design strategy for games.  It's the rehashing that hurts it.  Though rehashing is a problem with everybody.

[Mashiro]

I'm crisscrossing a lot of thoughts so lets some it up like this:

Why wait for good third party support/specific games to come out on the Wii when you can just buy the alternative and get the games?

Is depriving one self of games because they don't exist on your chosen platform wise or just foolish?

The Wii is failing to get some main stream games which I REALLY want to play (RE5, GTAIV, SC4, Mass Effect, Bio Shock (almost forgot about that one). And while I will forever cherish all the great games Nintendo has brought my way I can no longer just "live" off of Nintendo games.

I'm not looking for originality, I'm just looking to have fun. Every Nintendo game this gen left me feeling like "I should be having more fun than this" but I wasn't. I had the most fun with the Wii playing Wii sports honestly. I don't know of many 360 games TBH. I do know I have fun playing at my friends home though from his collection and I do know I want to get GTAIV one way or another. With a stead job now why not take the plunge and buy a 360. At least I won't feel left out anymore.

I've just starved myself of certain games for too long trying to stick with just one system and it's just silly to stick with one system. I'm not saying 360 or PS3 has a line up of games that just make the Wii look terrible, it's that missing out on that systems handful of great games just because you want to stick with one company is plain foolish.

Edit: Thank you Ian for putting into words what I could not. That is exactly how I feel.

[Bill Aurion]

Hey, it's your money, do what makes you happy...

But first, if you are just going to be buying sequels and ports regardless, how about buying Okami as well?

[IceCold]

This thread makes no sense to me because I don't have time to play many games, so the games that are out seem like TOO many. I actually wish the major game releases would trickle out like they used to.

I've barely touched brawl, i still need to finish NMH and Galaxy properly, tons of cars to unlock in Excitetruck still, not 1 but 2 trauma centers to get thru, and Mario Kart comes out when!?!?!?

My sentiments exaclty. I don't play Brawl much at all, and I don't even own NMH or Okami or all these major releases. I'd like to play them, but I just don't have the time.

But I think it also comes down to me phasing gaming out for the most part. If not for the Wii I would probably have stopped playing games almost entirely, but I'm still playing a lot less than usual.. Right now, I jump at certain games, like Mario Galaxy or Phoenix Wright.. but I'm just not inclined to play most games, even if they're supposed to be good. And don't get me started on PS3 and 360 games - I have virtually zero interest in all of them, save for the NHL series and perhaps Too Human.

I think something weird happened after I played Mario Galaxy.. I think I subconsciously realised that compared to that game, most other ones are almost a chore. I don't want to spend 35 or 40 hours playing Okami or whatever.. I'll get some enjoyment, but I don't find it worth it.

[IceCold]

Sorry for the double post, but I think what I want right now is a game like Jungle Beat. Easy to pick up, allows for short sessions, and most importantly.. is just pure fun. I've said it before, but Jungle Beat was the most pure, unadulterated fun I had last generation, and I'm craving that right now. I'm more or less done with epic and tedious games - hopefully Tokyo EAD has started on something else already.

And also, for me a major test will be F-Zero Wii. GX was one of my top three GameCube games (maybe even my favourite one), and it's easily one of my favourite games ever. If the Wii version evokes the same feelings for me as SSBB did, then I'll be really disappointed. With Brawl, the new features and extras and all that were incredible for sure... but I didn't feel like it was a big enough jump. Obviously it's hard to mess with that formula, but from SSB64 to Melee the jump was huge. And it didn't help that I far enjoyed the quicker pace of Melee to the sluggish one of Brawl.

But anyway, hopefully Amusement Vision makes F-Zero again, and I get that same rush of adrenaline that I did in GX.

Wow, that was my first rant in a long time. And it wasn't very coherent - sorry about that.

[Luigi Dude]

Sounds more like you are burning out on gaming, period...Well, at least the good side of gaming... =)

Bill hits it perfectly.  Anyone that's tired of Nintendo games has no idea what the rest of the industry is like.

If some of you think Smash Bros Brawl was too much like Melee, then you wont like ANY sequels on the 360/PS3.  The jump between Melee to Brawl is greater then over 99% of all other sequels out there.

Same thing with Mario Kart.  Everyone complains about the Mario Kart series not doing enough with each game, but then when you compare it to most other racing games out there, you'd see Nintendo actually does a lot more with each game then most 3rd parties.

It comes back to how everyone thinks the grass is greener on the other side.  All of you that think the 360 and PS3 is the answer, don't know just how good you've had it with Nintendo and continue to have it with them.

[Mashiro]

Actually, I think Brawl wasn't enough like Melee (see: gameplay).

I love how many people here are taking up arms for Nintendo. God forbid someone ::gasps:: has fun on another system.

You're right I don't know how good I have it with Nintendo, I'll go back to not playing my Wii and not having fun.

::rolls eyes::

I'm not knocking Nintendo but why do people feel the need to defend a system? Why shove down someones throat how they should feel. It's just like Nintendo themselves telling us what we want and don't want.

Person: I have fun playing games on 360 or Ps3, I think I should get one.
Fanboys: No you shouldn't. That's just stupid Nintendo has everything you want!
Person: but I . . .
Fanboys: No no you can't have fun anywhere else! Nintendo is the only place to have fun!

Come now that's just silly. I think we can all agree, limiting yourself to one system is stupid. Especially in this day and age.

[Adrock]

It comes back to how everyone thinks the grass is greener on the other side.  All of you that think the 360 and PS3 is the answer, don't know just how good you've had it with Nintendo and continue to have it with them.

Or, alternatively, that Nintendo can do no wrong.... Listen to yourself? Is it possible that neither Nintendo nor 3rd parties are releasing terribly original sequels? What am I thinking? Of course, not. I'm talking to a Nintendo fan.....

I'm all for opinions, but when one essentially boils down to "Nintendo is perfect" every single time, I have a hard time taking it seriously. I'm not saying you specifically. I'm refering to most fans who can only view Nintendo through rose colored glasses.

I have to agree with Mashiro, here. I think it's ridiculous that someone gets forum mobbed by fans when he says that he had fun on another system.

[IceCold]

Now, I think that with Smash Bros, Sakurai and Nintendo did nearly everything they could to make it a worthy sequel. The production values were astounding (just look at the music) but the problem with that game is that.. Smash Bros just can't be changed much without making it a different franchise. It's not an action/adventure game; it's a fighting game with specific mechanics. And I think Melee was so good that nothing afterwards can be as fresh.

[GoldenPhoenix]

There is nothing wrong with liking and having fun with games on other systems, heck I have all 3 systems INCLUDING the PC. It was the way that Mashiro was presenting himself that got to me, it felt an awful like "Well I'm getting too mature for Nintendo games, so I'm going to move over to 360". Also it was far from getting nasty with him, I was poking fun at him and Bill was quite respectful. If you want to see nasty go to the gamefaqs's board or GONintendo.

[Mashiro]

I really don't think I was presenting myself like that . . . and besides you have every system and a PC. Perhaps I am getting mature. Does that mean I'm too mature for Nintendo or it's game? No, it means my tastes have matured and expanded.

If I had to take away all your systems aside from Wii wouldn't you feel like you are missing out?

[GoldenPhoenix]

I really don't think I was presenting myself like that . . . and besides you have every system and a PC. Perhaps I am getting mature. Does that mean I'm too mature for Nintendo or it's game? No, it means my tastes have matured and expanded.

If I had to take away all your systems aside from Wii wouldn't you feel like you are missing out?

You better not touch my PC, I just got done upgrading it! Seriously, I've been one of the few here that has defended the 360 and even PS3 to a lesser extent. Talking about "maturing" does come across as "Nintendo R 4 kidz" even if you may not intend it to be. I like to think of it as being interested in other games, not sure if maturing has anything to do with it.

[Bill Aurion]

Talking about "maturing" does come across as "Nintendo R 4 kidz" even if you may not intend it to be. I like to thinkg of it as being interested in other games, not sure if maturing has anything to do with it.

My feelings exactly...And if you have stopped enjoying Nintendo games and are enjoying other games instead, that would be more of a "shift", not an "expansion", yes?

[Kairon]

I really don't think I was presenting myself like that . . . and besides you have every system and a PC. Perhaps I am getting mature. Does that mean I'm too mature for Nintendo or it's game? No, it means my tastes have matured and expanded.

If I had to take away all your systems aside from Wii wouldn't you feel like you are missing out?

You better not touch my PC, I just got done upgrading it! Seriously, I've been one of the few here that has defended the 360 and even PS3 to a lesser extent. Talking about "maturing" does come across as "Nintendo R 4 kidz" even if you may not intend it to be. I like to thinkg of it as being interested in other games, not sure if maturing has anything to do with it.

Yeah, I don't get this. Golden Phoenix has all three systems, and we all know that. TONS of us on this forum have other systems. I don't... but, well.. TONS OF US do. We had to. We played GTA games, RPGs, shooters, etc. What's so wrong with playing a 360?

Man... I wish I had good access to a 360. I'd seriously buy GTA IV JUST for the radio channels. DMA was awesome back on the N64, and Rockstar is awesome now on the PS360. That's all there is to it.

But, all I have is a Wii and DS and really old computer, and I'm actually sitting in a better place than I've been in for quite awhile.