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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2008, 03:31:45 AM »
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2008, 07:43:32 AM »
I know you're kidding vudu, but I get this all the time. People say "what are you going to DO with that degree" when I say I'm studying art history. Then, with derision, they'll say "I suppose you could TEACH art history, hurr" as if teaching isn't noble, and art history isn't worthy.

Today I just read a nice little paragraph from Robin Wood's introduction to his book "Hitchcock's Films: Revisited."

Quote from: Robin Wood
As for education: the term has changed its meaning since I studied at Cambridge in the early 1950s. Then, it meant (to me at least) something like "defining oneself in relation to our cultural history, our living past, and in relation to the world today; developing oneself intellectually, emotionally, culturally; learning to make choices, to discriminate; discovering oneself, developing oneself." Today (to judge from the responses of many students I have encountered) it means "Will this help me to a career? If not, will I at least get a good grade?" There must have been some defining - and disastrous - moment in the evolution of the modern American university when it was decided to attach the writing of essays and the awarding of grades to lecture courses (the contamination spread, a long time ago, to Britain). At Cambridge we attended a course because we were interested, and for no other reason.

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Nowadays I have not infrequently been approached by students on the first night of a course who asked, "What must I do to get a B plus?"

I am curious (yellow). Those who went to college (and beyond), did the experience feel more like a trade school, giving you skills necessary for a job? It is interesting that, at least in Robin Wood's mind, and in the minds of a few other intellectuals I know of, this is not  the way it has always been.

Are we becoming too specialized? In America and the western world, are we too obsessed with jobs and work, giving little care to the value of the work we're doing?

I don't think that it's about being specialized. I think it's first and foremost more of a factor for survival. It has always been, and it shall always be no matter what kind of geopolitical system we live in.

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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2008, 08:53:04 AM »
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Yeah but is it good information?  To get at higher learning stuff and current research, you often need official publications and databases which pretty much all cost money.  What is worse, is that you never know when research useful to you or your curiosity will be published.

Svevan:  Yes the reason why students learn can be sad nowadays.  It isn't at all romantic.  But at university (not sure if you are making the international distinction), you are forced by seniority and timeline to often take courses that don't interest you.  Graduation requirements suck and can be a complete waste of time.  On top of it, to some students they are a threat to their GPA which STUPIDLY is the basis for getting hired by an employer or going on in school.  I consider myself a learner, but for subjects in which I'm not interested - the "what must I do to get a B plus?" applies.
Not to tool you, but why are you getting formal degrees - seven if I counted right - if you just want to learn?  I agree with Kanye West when it comes to the amount of degrees. :)
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2008, 10:25:09 AM »
I am curious (yellow). Those who went to college (and beyond), did the experience feel more like a trade school, giving you skills necessary for a job? It is interesting that, at least in Robin Wood's mind, and in the minds of a few other intellectuals I know of, this is not  the way it has always been.

Are we becoming too specialized? In America and the western world, are we too obsessed with jobs and work, giving little care to the value of the work we're doing?

The problem we have here in America is a huge one. First of all, what we have done by placing such a strong emphasis on attending College/University, we have migrated so much of what high school should be teaching to the university level. The result; people come out of High School with a worthless piece of paper. Because we have moved to a very specialized society, we no longer place any value on those with just a High School diploma. High School counselors will tell you, you need to go to college if you want to be worth a damn to society. Because we place such value on specialized skills, the same is happening with a Bachelors Degree. That is no longer worth what it used to be worth, and now you need to get a Masters Degree just to be considered in some fields. Soon people will need a PHD just to work at McDonalds.

Since America is so focused on knowing a trade to it's fullest we need to really trim the fat and fix the system. High School should set you up with some preliminary skills if you plan to learn for a trade after school. College, will be used for higher level, broad learning. Trade Schools would become more prevalent, offering 4 year degrees that focus solely on the skills of the trade you desire to learn. By the time you leave you will be fully prepared for the field you went to trade school for, because you focused exclusively on learning those key skills.

Unfortunately, College in America has become a business, not a learning institution. Students are willing to pay huge money to have someone give them the resources to teach themselves a skill that will make them good money when they finish. Students, in essence, pay for a piece of paper that says, "I'm good enough, hire me."

The problems with American education drive me so crazy I can't even fully gather my thoughts on it. Bottom line is, our progression through Middle School and High School is a worthless test to tell college "I'm good enough, accept me." and college is another scam where you pay for a piece of paper that says the same to some business out there. How much you know is practically irrelevant, because your job will train you to know what you need to know anyway, at least in an entry level situation.
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2008, 11:01:21 AM »
Wow, good job derailing this thread, Svevan. :)

People say "what are you going to DO with that degree" when I say I'm studying art history. Then, with derision, they'll say "I suppose you could TEACH art history, hurr" as if teaching isn't noble, and art history isn't worthy.

A friend of mine has an art history degree.  She's a reference librarian at a university now, but I think that required her master's degree, too.

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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2008, 12:20:47 PM »
Svevan, you make a good point. I think the reason, at least in America, that the impetus to pursuing higher education has changed is because of increased costs (or at least the perception of increased cost - I'm not sure how much more expensive things really are today, inflation factored in). I mean, you go to school for four years, racking up massive debt, relying on debt (loans, credit cards, etc.) the whole way through. SO, when you get out, you've got to be planning to be able to pay it all back. The old institution of "parents paying for their kids to go to college" is less and less possible these days, at least in part because of our collective and growing propensity to spend Spend SPEND and not save near enough for our OWN retirements, let alone to pay our kids' ways through college. We've moved from being more ant\-like to more grasshopper-like.

In places where education is free, you'd think that this wouldn't have the same effect... but I can't speak for that.

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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2008, 01:43:11 PM »
I like to think I'm not so much of a nerd, but when it comes to games and comics I definitely am. I  think some of you know this but I'm a Martial arts teacher, Wushu specifically. Also a stunt man and actor. Its super fun, and what got me into all of it was Soul Calibur 2. You know how Kilik gets to the top of his staff like upside down? then comes crashing down with a smash? I can do that!

Befor Jan 1st 2008, I use to play Spider-Man at Universal studios, it was great, but now there are no more super heroes! oh well!

But I couldn't go to college, like Ian, I just couldn't deal with tests and things like that again. So i decided if I'm going to make a living, it has to be fun, and I have to  be able to do things like Mario and Link. And I'm being totally serious. Hahaha.



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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2008, 02:10:34 PM »
Technically I work for a trucking company, but in actuality I do payroll and accounting for various other types of companies at the same time.

I work in the accounting field.

My typical week is I do 1 payroll on Monday, usually between 3-5 on Tuesday, and then 1 payroll on either Thursday or Friday depending on when it's called in.  I do accounting work basically when I feel like it when it comes in. 

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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2008, 03:17:19 PM »
Not to tool you, but why are you getting formal degrees - seven if I counted right - if you just want to learn?  I agree with Kanye West when it comes to the amount of degrees. :)
I was mostly joking. I have taken so long to get through what little college I have now, that I'm not afraid of staying in it for as long as I find it beneficial. If I can get two degrees (Art History and Poli Sci are my highest priorities) then I'll be happy, but I may end up like everyone else and get one. The rest will come as it comes. Marine Biology was a joke, too.

I'm interested in getting all these degrees for two reasons: one is that private learning has done me a lot of good, but institutionalized learning has done me a lot better, and everyone hopes the degree somehow correlates to actual knowledge. Spending several years focusing on very disparate fields (art, politics, journalism) is valuable in the way Robin Wood said it is in my quote above: it contextualizes you within your world.

The other reason is that, yes, I want proof that I'm involved in this stuff. As someone who's worked at volunteer journalism for awhile and tried to move up the ladder, I've seen how important a degree in (at least) English or Journalism can improve your chances at getting a job. So having a couple of degrees that, taken cumulatively, say "I care about the liberal arts, about broad thinking, about multiple facets of the world," coupled with actual work like the stuff I do here and regionally, I hope will propel me to a terribly underpaid job with great social impact.

Sorry to derail the thread. On topic again, jobs I wouldn't mind having once I'm done with all this shizzaz: N'Gai Croal's, Chris Matthews', Annie Leibovitz's, or my old Art History Teacher Ms. Strain's.
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2008, 04:25:28 PM »
I'd love to program/design/work on Games for many years, and then shift to teaching. I've always had this nagging inability to say "no" to helping people out, I'm a tutor in my school right now in fact, so at some point in the future when I want to slow down, I could see myself grabbing a teaching position somewhere... hmm...
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2008, 05:06:59 PM »
The reason education that does not relate specifically to a career goal is crapped on by many is simple.  College costs money.  Lots of money.  Most people get to start their adulthood in debt because of college.  So unless you're rich if you're going to go into debt for something it might as well provide you with some assistance in paying off that debt.  Willingly spending more money than one earns is generally regarded as a very stupid practice regardless of whether the person in debt thinks it was worthwhile or not.

Besides I think the whole prestige of education for the pursuit of knowledge and bettering oneself is an antiquated idea.  Go back in time and the people who treated education like that were sons of upper class rich parents who never had to do any real work in their entire lives.  So when money is no object and you have as much free time as you wish education with no career ambitions sounds like fun.  But education isn't limited to the upper class now.  It's open to everyone and now it's EXPECTED of everyone.  So if you have to support yourself with some sort of career and most careers require you to go to school for four years it makes sense to have that career you need to avoid starving to death as your priority.  These are the days of the working class going to college.  Thus college is justifiably seen as a job-related tool.

It's like how some privledged people own a car purely for sport but most of us own a car because getting from point A to B is a necessity for survival.

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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2008, 05:27:56 PM »
These are the days of the working class going to college.

That's... that's a good thing, right?
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2008, 05:46:43 PM »
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2008, 07:24:32 PM »
These are the days of the working class going to college.

That's... that's a good thing, right?
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2008, 07:27:31 PM »
These are the days of the working class going to college.

That's... that's a good thing, right?
Not Necessarily.  If everyone is Special then no one is.

Especially retarded.There are a couple of things I am glad I didn't learn in college. Such as politics.
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2008, 09:21:41 PM »
With the wealth of information easily available today, it's more possible than ever!
Yeah but is it good information?  To get at higher learning stuff and current research, you often need official publications and databases which pretty much all cost money.  What is worse, is that you never know when research useful to you or your curiosity will be published.

I guess it depends on what field you're entering. It's not like much info is locked away nowadays. Maybe for hard sciences.
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2008, 09:28:58 PM »
I hope you achieve your pilot goal, but isn't there a lot of work to get there? With hours and the rest?

Sort of back on topic. I am a flight test away from Private License which allows me to fly under visual conditions anywhere in the country. For me, achieving my goals is not the issue. It is a matter of when. I have singularly invested more resources into this than any other endeavor I have ever embarked on and thats after excluding the loan I have with the government. Money, time, opportunities, girls.

It requires great personal commitment and a constant push for perfection. If I got a dollar for every time I have kicked myself for doing something stupid or wrong, I would have a Wii by now and a nice chuck of the catalogue. When doing this, focusing on the hours is a poor way to learn and fly. Hours merely mean final costs and unless you were never meant to fly in the first place, you can do everything you need in a reasonable amount of time.

It my not look like it, but it is a very personal thing to do. You don't go to class (Well you do in the beginning), you go out and fly with someone you trust implicitly, more than anyone else you thought you could trust. The same comes back to you. People have died from the lack of trust. The hours don't matter. Being as close to perfect is. Everything is a test. All the time.

As hard work as it is, it beats the living **** out of going to University for 3 years and finding out you have to do even more years. I will be done with this well before the next generation of console are out. I will be sure to visit some of you guys when that happens.

If any of you guys like more information regarding this, I think I can continue using this thread to reply in. Most of the Information would be New Zealand specific, but translate pretty much straight cross to most countries.
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2008, 08:57:38 AM »
Willingly spending more money than one earns is generally regarded as a very stupid practice regardless of whether the person in debt thinks it was worthwhile or not.

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« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2008, 02:25:12 PM »
If I got a dollar for every time I have kicked myself for doing something stupid or wrong, I would have a Wii by now and a nice chuck of the catalogue.

Now you know how I afford all those wonderful third party games.
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2008, 11:10:16 AM »
This is a very interesting thread. I guess it's my turn. *tries not to break the forum rules*

I'm currently in my 2nd year of studying Theology at a university, and work as a youth pastor at a local church. Next summer I hope to start my CPE (Clinical Pastoral Education) next summer or wait for the next year (yes, money is an issue). Currently it's my job to help troubled teens with everyday life issues and decisisions. You won't believe their faces when I say "Hey, want to come to my office next Sunday? I got Mario Kart. We can play while we talk about..." Works like a charm. Religion and Gaming?! Yes, times are changing. My goal is to become a professional chaplain, so I still need a few (thousand) more
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Here's a link for the Association for Clinical Pastoral Education if anyone is interested in learning more http://www.acpe.edu/.
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2008, 08:02:06 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2008, 08:09:49 PM »
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Re: What do you do for a living?
« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2008, 11:39:23 PM »
Right now I just work on my website and that's it. I was making a movie after my recording studio failed, but that got put on hold due to a number of issues. I would like to open my own store but it's a little complicated what I want to do so I don't see it happening any time soon. I earned a diploma in business management which hasn't done a whole lot of good getting me a decent job, so I just work on my website while I look for a real job.
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