Author Topic: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection? (Read 21081 times)

*EN · « **on:** February 25, 2008, 05:26:22 PM »

Hello!

I thought the character development they have put into to Daisy would be enough to have her as a playable character in the game and not just a Peach costume change. Does anyone know why Daisy is not a playable character?

*EN

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2008, 05:29:44 PM »

They pulled her after the Hawtness thread was pulled.

Caliban · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2008, 07:00:48 PM »

Maybe our resident Daisy stalker might be able to answer your question.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2008, 07:16:15 PM »

Nintendo is an organism of despair that has earned its widespread mainstream success at the price of providing basic functionality and software variety to its core audience. Its success is mostly attributed to its ability to tap into new, virgin audiences and NOT attributed to fixing its past problems.

Case in point:
(1) No live storage functionality is included in Wii. SD cards are only standardly used for slow, cumbersome save file backup methods. Save files and Wii downloads have to compete for the same onboard flash memory space, while $20 2GB SD are out in the market and are not being taken advantage of, while Nintendo screwed everyone good during the GameCube era with $30 Mem Card 251's

(2) Nintendo did NOT make Super Smash Bros. Brawl. They paid a defector to make it. Shows how much they care about its franchises when 3rd party enemies get to make an appearance instead of its own treasured characters (Daisy).

Mikintosh · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2008, 08:50:32 PM »

If anyone's going to take the original question seriously, it's probably for the same reason Waluigi didn't make the cut; what could she do that Peach wasn't doing already? She's only in sports games and Peach already has a racket and golf club.

Smoke39 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2008, 08:56:09 PM »

What could Wolf do that Falco couldn't do that Fox couldn't do?

LuigiHann · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2008, 09:11:21 PM »

I think Dasiy would make a fine clone of Peach. Although as I think about it, her speed and weight might not be different enough to be interesting. I still think it would have been nice to have her as an all-out costume change instead of a pallet swap.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2008, 05:18:33 PM »

Quote from: Professional 666 on February 25, 2008, 07:16:15 PM

(2) Nintendo did NOT make Super Smash Bros. Brawl. They paid a defector to make it. Shows how much they care about its franchises when 3rd party enemies get to make an appearance instead of its own treasured characters (Daisy).

I agree with this sentiment (save for the Daisy part). What annoyed me the most about Brawl's roster is that Nintendo, Sakurai and his team are sitting in a goldmine. Nintendo has a rich history of characters and games. At first I thought Nintendo might run out of characters to use in future games, but I saw Sakurai's list and was stunned at how many characters there were. True, some of them were filler and completely useless, but overall, the excuse "we couldn't come up with anything" is useless.

Fans may say "But some characters are old! We don't care about them! They are not popular". To me, SSB is a celebration of all things Nintendo, so it shouldn't matter if a character is too new, obscure or nearly forgotten. I personally would not have cared if Sukapon or Takamaru came from old Japan only games, I would've welcomed them with open arms. Who knows? Maybe their inclusion would've sparked interest in fans and Nintendo have two more franchises to milk further.

But alas, the roster is finished so there's no point in talking about it. Hopefully, if SSB 4 is ever made they hire a new director and think things through.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2008, 05:32:02 PM »

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NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2008, 05:36:35 PM »

Quote from: S-U-P-E-R on February 26, 2008, 05:32:02 PM

did pap64 just fall for another fakepost?

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Fakepost or not, I agree with it. Its as simple as that.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2008, 05:46:15 PM »

1. I don't think there's anything fake about what Pro wrote. Humor is only anger with its makeup on.

2. Sakurai and Nintendo didn't part on the best of terms, and the "Iwata Asks" interviews have a very detectable undercurrent of animosity between the two men, particularly when Iwata reminds Sakurai that Iwata was his boss for a while.

As for Daisy's exclusion, I think she'd have made an interesting Peach clone, so long as they gave her the treatment they gave Falco and Wolf, not the treatment they gave the 'Dorf again.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:08:37 PM »

Not to mention that Sakurai's statement that the final roster is only a fraction of the planned one along with the deleted character files found in the game it leads me to believe that the roster was going to be more than what we have, so can you blame me if I am suspicious and indifferent towards it?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:37:18 PM »

I don't envision Daisy as a Peach clone AT ALL. The only similarity would be the fluffy dress costume, but we cannot forget the fact in recent times she's been most recognizable as a spunky daisy-duke-wearing athlete with a personality (and gameplay feel) whose ferocity that Peach cannot match.

I remember in the original Smash Bros, Captain Falcon was a sort of skeletal clone of Samus' basic moveset.
Fast forward, and think "Daisy is to Peach" as "Captain Falcon was to Samus": less floaty, more speed, more impact, more straightforward.

Peach already has a golf club/racket/pan/herpes? Big fucking deal.

Let Daisy carry a club/racket at all times (allow them to switch?). Let her have that extra reach to express the extra effort and power (brutality) she'd display over Peach in Mario Power Tennis. Let her tap into the personality of the Mario Sports universe Ninintendo has been re-hashing-re-milking all this time. Hell, let her be the Casey Jones of the game (homeless vigilante warrior ftw). Inundated with sword fighters already? Hell, add a sports girl a Bad Girl into the mix.

Lucas, Dorf, Ike, Wolf, Falco, blah -- It's sickening to see Sakurai aimed to fill the roster with clone pairs. Dorf, Pichu, Lucas, Young Link seemed to be introduced for the sake of functionally cloning the original roster. It's WORSE that he went ahead to bring Ike despite already having Marth & Roy, and Wolf despite Fox & Falco (my Captain Falcon will have to personally BBQ all these StarFreaks over WiFi).

The supposed "deleted character" roster doesn't improve my opinion of what Sakurai "originally planned for the roster", either. It's just more clones or obscure/underdeveloped Nintendo history.

Daisy was a missed opportunity.

Enjoy your top tourney matches and your top 20 YouTube vids featuring StarFox characters for a 2nd generation in a row, bitches.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »

I'm personally hoping we don't deal with another 6 years of space animals hogging the top tier.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:44:36 PM »

The funny thing? On another forum that I frequent to a member suggested Daisy as part of the Brawl roster. Everyone laughed at him, saying that she is nothing more than a Peach clone. When we said that Daisy has an unique personality from Peach and could work as an unique character they laughed EVEN HARDER and flamed us to hell and back...

I agree that Daisy has a very sporty and spunky attitude, while Peach is elegant, demure...and ditzy. The way I see it, Daisy is to Peach what Luigi is to Mario; characters that are considered nothing more than clones of better characters but are really more than what they seem.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #15 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:47:32 PM »

Daisy would've helped alleviate the fact that Brawl continues to be a complete and total sausage-fest.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #16 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:50:00 PM »

"I'm personally hoping we don't deal with another 6 years of space animals hogging the top tier."

You won't have to worry if I'm the top player. But you should try hard too.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:52:07 PM »

Quote from: Professional 666 on February 26, 2008, 06:50:00 PM

"I'm personally hoping we don't deal with another 6 years of space animals hogging the top tier."

You won't have to worry if I'm the top player. But you should try hard too.

This is the reason I am going to try and main Wario, Kirby, Yoshi and Ganondorf (despite his clone aura), because I've seen VERY few people use them in online videos. Its always the FE pretty boys, Metaknight or the Space animals.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #18 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:54:52 PM »

It's always that way cuz they're the cheapest characters. They play for victory over other boring clones (in-game and real-life).

I play with a dedication to chaos.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #19 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:59:08 PM »

You know, I played some different characters than I expected to. I thought I was gonna play a lot of Pit, but I started hating him right off the bat. I started playing Metaknight a LOT, and even Ike, even though I mostly just trash talk other Ike players for picking baby's first scrub character

Peach's final smash rules and definitely causes a lot of yelling and groaning from your opponents, it rules

lol "cheapest characters" lol

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2008, 07:02:15 PM »

Super Smash Brothers BLOL

Mikintosh · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2008, 07:33:18 PM »

Quote from: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2008, 05:46:15 PM

2. Sakurai and Nintendo didn't part on the best of terms, and the "Iwata Asks" interviews have a very detectable undercurrent of animosity between the two men, particularly when Iwata reminds Sakurai that Iwata was his boss for a while.

Wow, reading into things much? The accompanying pictures seemed happy enough, and the boss comments were going back and forth and were just to refer back to their working together in HAL (it was also to rationalize having an interview with Sakurai in the first place, as unlike the other Iwata Asks subjects, he wasn't a current employee of Nintendo). They seemed to get along pretty well in the interview, really.

Geez, if they really didn't like each other, Sakurai wouldn't have come back to make Brawl in the first place. He'd just founded his own studio; he wouldn't have put that on hold for over two years for a company he hated, even if they offered him a big ol' moneybag (and I don't know if they did).

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM »

Eh, I know what you're saying, but Nintendo would much rather have him as a development house connected to the company than a 3rd party they need to license out for.

They didn't want the father of Kirby leaving any more than they'd want the father of Mario leaving.

Adrock · « **Reply #23 on:** February 27, 2008, 12:38:33 AM »

I think Nintendo would be a little more distrought if Miyamoto left the company....

And, if anything, I see Iwata inviting Sakurai to direct Brawl as an act of respect for a former employee. Here's Smash Bros., go nuts and make it however way you want. If Sakurai left Nintendo/Hal on not so great terms, this project certainly seems like a meding of bridges.

*EN · « **Reply #24 on:** February 27, 2008, 09:24:20 AM »

Quote from: pap64 on February 26, 2008, 06:44:36 PM

I agree that Daisy has a very sporty and spunky attitude, while Peach is elegant, demure...and ditzy. The way I see it, Daisy is to Peach what Luigi is to Mario; characters that are considered nothing more than clones of better characters but are really more than what they seem.

I totally agree with your Luigi to Mario statement. I truly belive that to be how it is!

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Author Topic: Why is Daisy absent from Brawl’s character selection? (Read 21081 times)