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« on: October 01, 2007, 12:50:01 PM »
So I read this [retcon: Watchmen], finally. I remember hearing that Kairon (and Karl) had read it, and I wanted to know who else had read it and what they think. I'll reserve my comments until later, since I'm tired of posting my opinions and forcing people to respond to them.
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2007, 01:09:48 PM »
I'll wait for the movie (will it be full of ABS just like 300?) thanks.
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2007, 01:10:00 PM »
I read this years ago, one of the most important comic books ever written. Alan Moore's writing is so dense and clever, there are still new things to be found in the story. Rorschach is completely right, by the way.

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RE:Watchmen
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2007, 04:14:37 PM »
The book is awesome. I still remember seeing the first issue sitting on the table at my local comic shop. Too bad I was ignorant and passed on it. I waited till the trade to read it. Same with the Dark Knight Returns (except that was a mail in offer).

Todays comics have nothing on the awesomeness of the 80s stories. But I'm sure thats what people said in the 80s about the comics of the 60s. At least in the 80s the Silver Age was respected. I wonder if that still holds true now.

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RE:Watchmen
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2007, 10:25:57 AM »
I'll be reading this soon, because I'm going to be writing a webcomic, and I figure, before I do that, I should read what is widely considered to be the best comic ever.
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RE:Watchmen
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2007, 10:32:06 AM »
I don't read comics, so I won't be reading this, not to mention I've never heard of it!
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 10:56:17 AM »
I don't read comics, at least not regularly. I wholeheartedly recommend it to you Soph. Large portions of it aren't even a comic; it is mature and intelligent unlike any other graphic novel I've seen. How does crap like 300 get popular when there's awesome stuff like this?  
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RE:Watchmen
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2007, 10:57:54 AM »
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I don't read comics, at least not regularly. I wholeheartedly recommend it to you Soph. Large portions of it aren't even a comic; it is mature and intelligent unlike any other graphic novel I've seen. How does crap like 300 get popular when there's awesome stuff like this?


I liked 300, the movie at least, thought it was quite artistic. What is it about exactly?
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2007, 11:09:39 AM »
Watchmen is about superheroes (none of whom have superpowers, save one) who have all had to hang up their capes because of public outcry against "vigilantism." Most of their identities are now public, and they are considered public figures. The mystery of the novel surrounds a supposed "mask killer," someone going around murdering people who used to be heroes.

Sounds pretty generic, but let me tell you, it isn't. It has a poetic and apocalyptic mournfulness about it, using some very cinematic (and some very un-cinematic) techniques to weave together not just the heroes, but also everyday people and the government. It is a powerful artifact of 1980s America, and it was made by a Briton!  
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2007, 11:14:13 AM »
Evan, have you read The Dark Knight Returns?

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RE:Watchmen
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 11:34:35 AM »
Well I just ordered it, if it is terrible I'm blaming YOU.
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 11:36:19 AM »
I have not, Shy. SHOULD I?
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2007, 11:43:55 AM »
Yes, yes you should. Just avoid the sequel The Dark Knights Strikes Back.

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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2007, 11:45:24 AM »
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Evan, have you read The Dark Knight Returns?


Is that the one where superman fights batman in one part and Superman gets nuked turning into a decrepit skeleton looking person?  
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2007, 11:50:38 AM »
No, it's the one where Darth Vader reveals he is Luke's father. MISS SPOILER SOPH.


But seriously read it, it deals with some of the same themes as Watchmen (it was written in the same era) and many people consider them complimentary.

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RE:Watchmen
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2007, 01:09:25 PM »
The Dark Knight Returns is on a totally different level than the Watchmen. Mainly because you have iconic figures that do not need much of an introduction versus a long narative that is much more character driven.

I would say The Kiiling Joke and The Dark Knight Returns go together while V For Vendetta compliments Watchmen. But thats just me

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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2007, 01:34:46 PM »
I cannot get into the art style of V for Vendetta - I tried, really. And I haven't been tainted by the movie. I much prefer Watchmen's clean and simple color palette.
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2007, 01:56:55 PM »
I know Dark Knight and Watchmen are apples and oranges, but they are often paired. They both deal with themes larger than the story itself and are very reflective of the politics and world situation of the 80s (note that they both were completely wrong about what the future held though)

Elektra: Assassin by Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz is also a great story in the same vein, if not on a smaller scale.

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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2007, 02:22:08 PM »
I need to read this.  I've heard too many good things about it.

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RE:Watchmen
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2007, 03:23:19 PM »
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Watchmen is about superheroes who have all had to hang up their capes because of public outcry against "vigilantism." Most of their identities are now public, and they are considered public figures. The mystery of the novel surrounds a supposed "mask killer," someone going around murdering people who used to be heroes.
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2007, 08:05:25 PM »
Funny joke - I (and the rest of the world) certainly noticed the weird similarities between the two works. The Incredibles though is so different in its presentation, mostly with family life and an almost Ayn Rand approach to personality and society. It goes to show that in art, story doesn't mean as much as spin.
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RE: Watchmen
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2007, 07:42:36 PM »
I was going to order this from Amazon but then I realized I don't have 50 dollars to spend. I know there's a cheaper version but I wouldn't want to own a cheaper version, only the best version. So I'm going to check this out of my school's library (there wasn't a copy on my campus, but there was one on another. I've ordered it and it should arrive in a day or so.)

I picked up the Fountainhead to read in the meantime. It's pretty entertaining.  
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2008, 12:03:02 PM »
Who watches the BUMPmen?

New character pictures from the upcoming movie:
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2008, 12:23:57 PM »
I dislike the way everything has 300-esque digital shading, but the character designs are pretty right on. Ozymandias looks really young though! But the Comedian and Night Owl are just right on. I was never fond of the casting for Rorschach, as I think Jackie Earle Haley is being overrated after his "comeback" to movies; luckily he has that mask on.

I know Snyder's going to be able to make this thing as gross as it is on paper, and that's great. And the set shots that look like a burnt out 80s nightmare make me extremely anxious to see this flick. I'll probably be disappointed though; this'll be the first time in a long time that I know the source material for a film really well.

edit: except Sweeney Todd, and that was pretty meh.
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Re: Watchmen
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2008, 03:45:14 PM »
Sweeney Todd, like all musicals, was destined for failure.

Anyway, as for these new Watchmen shots, Ozy doesn't look as bad as everyone's saying. Above all, he's a gymnast, so having a smaller frame is key for his agility. As for his looking young, Watchmen takes place over a really long timeline, so the actors are all young, and will be aged throughout the film through either prosthetics or digital enhancements.

The costumes look a little Schumacher's Batman, especially when Gibbons specifically went after a more cloth-like look for the original garbs, but if Snyder needs rubber to make it work, so be it.

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