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Don't tase me, bro!
« on: September 19, 2007, 06:06:36 PM »
So stupid, it skips GC and goes straight in the funhouse.

As you may or may not know, I'm a student at the University of Florida.  The school where the tasing thing happened.  No, I didn't attend the assembly.  I don't like John Kerry too much.  I haven't talked to anyone I'm certain went either.  However, I've done some research, read about every article I've found, and watched the videos a couple times.

I'll pain the scene:  A student organization invited Senator John Kerry to speak, and Kerry accepted the invitation.  He wanted to have a "Town Hall"-type forum, speaking for about half an hour, then receiving and answering questions for an hour.  Originally, he was going to speak in May or April, but something congressy tied him up, and the date was postponed until this past Monday.

So the event began.  Kerry spoke, then answered the questions of students who had lined up.  I believe he took half an hour extra, beyond what was planned to answer questions, and he decided to wrap things up.  He announced he would answer the current student's question, and that would be the end of the session.  At this point, a student, Andrew Meyer, rushed down from the back of the line, holding a book, and interrupted the student due to ask the last question.  Immediately, the University Police present acted on the student, but John Kerry said he'd get to Meyer's question, provided Meyer allowed the kid who was supposed to ask the last question to finish.  In passing, it was Meyer's extended turn.

Meyer quickly began to ask a question about why Kerry quickly conceded the 2004 presidential collection, that there was evidence that led some to believe the votes had been mis-tallied.  Somewhere in this first question, a police officer interrupts, and looks to politely ask him to leave, though the cop's voice is not picked up in the videos.  Then, continuing on, before allowing Senator Kerry a chance to respond, he asked why the Senate had not yet impeached the president.  He states that they impeached the former president over a blow-job, and if that's a good enough reason to impeach the POTUS, then Bush should be impeached, as well.  Meyer continues, asking about the Skull and Bones society.

At this very point, the power to Meyer's microphone is cut, and Meyer immediately asks why, also saying that he practiced his questions.  Two or three police officers try to lift and carry Meyer out by his arms.  Here they aren't trying to arrest him, I believe, though, they are trying to remove him from the building.  Meyer begins to thrash about, screaming and shouting things like "Help!  Help!  What did I do wrong?  All I was doing was trying to ask a question!"  He's kicking and waving his arms wildly, and seems like he might have thrashed into some of the rows of seats, and comes very near accidentally hitting other students.

Eventually, the UPD get Meyer to the back of the room.  They are able to force him gently to the ground, and successfully put one of his hands into handcuffs.  At this point, Meyer is surrounded by 4-6 officers, and is mostly obscured from those around him, as well as cameras.  He's still shouting, only know, he includes "Don't tase me!" and "Don't tase me, bro!" in his screams, and the police can be overheard, warning Meyer to stop resisting.  Now, it's possible to hear Meyer scream at the same time a taser goes off, which lasts from about four to six seconds, and then it stops, though Meyer continues screaming.  It is presumed that the UPD are able to finish cuffing Meyer at this time.

Now, still on camera, Meyer is taken outside of the Auditorium, and into the lobby of this building.  The university police tell him to calm down and ask him who he is.  They ask for identification, and he replies that he didn't bring his ID with him, he didn't think he'd need it.  They move him downstairs, nearer to the exit, all while he is in handcuffs.  Meyer sees the camera person, looks at the camera, and says, "They're going to kill me."  He begins to put up a slight struggle, but doesn't try nearly as heartily as before.  His audience is three or so police officers, two or three girls, and our off screen camera-man.  The police ask him who he is again, he answers, and then looks at the camera and says, "You know me.  Tell them who I am.  You know me.  Ask my friends.  I have friends here."  Things to this extent.  The police, frustrated, begin to take him away.  The camera follows, and you hear Meyer say, "They're going to kill me." and  "Don't break my wrist." as he is being taken out.

That covers the events leading from before and then immediately after the incident.  I've only watched the part where Andrew Meyer is outside of the auditorium once, so things there may be slightly out of order, but the entirety of my depiction is pretty accurate along the accounts and videos I have read and scene, respectively.  Immediately before, during, and after the tasing, a girl or two are screaming at the officers not to do "that," in reference to the tasing, and even before that, but after Meyer is removed from the microphone and had been thrashing, Senator Kerry said they should let him finish and that he'd answer his questions, once more.

Andrew Meyer is a Senior or Junior Broadcast Journalism major.  He is a former writer/editor for The Independent Florida Alligator, the school's independent paper, known for controversy and a staunch liberal stance.  He is billed by friends and acquaintances as a person who likes to stir up trouble and aggravate others as a way to get his message out.  Before the incident, it has been confirmed that he gave a camera to a random student and asked him to take pictures of him.  Meyer and this student apparently did not know each other.

Meyer's microphone had been cut off by a member of ACCENT, the organization who arranged for Kerry to speak, because of the use of the word "Blow-job."  On the drive to the station, Meyer apparently apologized and thanked the police officers who subdued him, telling them that they had just done their jobs.  John Kerry went on to make a public statement that he thought the police went overboard, and that he had proposed a milder solution of letting Meyer finish and answering his questions so that no one would have been hurt.  Meyer is uninjured, too.  The charges were attempting to incite a riot and resisting arrest.

This is the end of the unbiased facts.  The rest is my opinion on related activities and such.

Tuesday, a protest was held over the use of a taser on a student, with some of the main demands being that Meyer doesn't receive charges, that the taser regulations be reformed, and a third thing I can't remember, perhaps that the police who tasered him lose their jobs or something.  It was announced that the two cops mostly involved were on paid leave, and the protesting crowd booed, calling them pigs or worse, using profanities and such.  The issue has become one regarding taser use on campus and things like that.  Meyer is a white male, approximately six feet tall, so he's about the average college student.  He isn't a minority of any sort, and could blend in anywhere.  Several students around campus believe his freedom of speech was violated, and several think the tasing went to far.  The story has been picked up on the national news, and even made the Daily Show and the Colbert report tonight, Wednesday night.  Apparently most believe he should not have been tased, yet none show much of the clip at all, most just show the exact moment he is tased, and you can't even see but a small portion of his body in any available video.

To me, I think the police were wrong.  He should have been tased right when his thrashing led him into other seat aisles and nearby other students.  That's when he became a threat to most nearby.  I know that the kid planned the event out to the extent that he wanted friends there to see it, he wanted a nobody to at least photograph it, and that he loves publicity.  He was never fired by the Alligator, it's the Alligator's policy to only allow writers a certain amount of time on staff, so he remained with the paper for the full amount of time.  In the paper, he was loud-mouthed, bad-mouthing, abusive, among other things, so I already had disdain for him, though I didn't connect the name to the story until it was pointed out.  Anyways, I think it's ridiculous that people think the tasing was uncalled for, and it's ridiculous that something like tasing can cause so much uproar.  From what I collect, I believe that to attach the handcuff to his other hand, Meyer's arm/wrist might have been broken.

Personally, I feel safer knowing that tasers will be used on campus when the situation calls for it.  I'd much rather know that the police here have strong authority over the students for our protection.  I'm glad it happened.  Tasering is a non-lethal and barely harmful method to reach compliance in unruly situations.

As far as freedom of speech goes, Meyer interrupted another student at what was essentially the end of an open forum.  He attempted to deny this student free speech.  When said an obscenity, he was cut-off, as well.  If he truly wanted to ask a question, he would ask only one at a time, and he would have been certain to make his way to the front of the line before the questions began.

When considering the riot charges, it becomes obvious that he truly intended that some of his friends would try to stop the police.  He made sure they were there and he gave his camera to someone else besides his friends, most likely because he thought they'd help his spectacle, should security intervene.  Meyer is in a major that requires that he receives notice in order to get anywhere.  He likely wanted to use the event to make his way into the spotlight.  It certainly isn't out of his character.

So, any questions?

Oh, and while I do consider myself a Republican, and while I am conservative, I am not biased about the school's paper.  Wiki it if you don't believe me.

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RE: Don't tase me, bro!
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2007, 06:18:25 PM »
My respect for thatguy just went up two points.

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2007, 06:22:32 PM »
Yeah, I watched the video today, all I could think was if the dumb@ss would just cooperate and stop thrashing about he would be in for a lot less trouble.  Its a simple fact that it is a school assembly, and if they want to ask you to leave, that is their right.  Also, anybody knows that if you fight with police or security, the situation is only gonna get worse (especially if your outnumbered), hasnt he ever watched cops, or any detective series ever created for that matter?  If you pay attention to the video it seems pretty obvious that he was either just extremely stupid or that he was trying to make a scene, given his character as you describe, he was just trying to make a scene, which makes the charges completely justified.  Sad thing is that he has gotten exactly what he wanted.  
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RE: Don't tase me, bro!
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 06:27:48 PM »
Oh, here's more:  A Facebook says that the police didn't act to force him to leave until ACCENT asked them to.  That wasn't on video, it wasn't in the newspaper, it was on facebook, so I have no proof that it's true, but it does fall in line with the obscenity thing.

If this is too serious for the funhouse, management, go ahead and move it.  I just don't respect the issue enough to give it General Chat treatment.

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RE:Don't tase me, bro!
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2007, 07:28:41 PM »
I think we live in a world where police force is too often used, and violence is expected as a resolution to public disturbance. This guy was a douche, but I don't think tasing him was appropriate at all (after watching the vid). Even if ACCENT did call for him to be removed, we have a case of authoritarian power exercised excessively against an admittedly obnoxious person.

Not that I want to encourage a debate; there's no way to know all the details and he was acting pretty violently, but the very idea of being removed from a college assembly because of what you say (let's not consider the tasing) is ridiculous. In the end, my opinion is that police force is utilized too often and too violently, and this may (may) be an example of that. If it isn't, oh well. Protests are often fueled not by one event but by many.
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RE:Don't tase me, bro!
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2007, 08:07:36 PM »
I don't like the fact that this guy used the incident to gain fame, I feel used and lied to.

But I don't like ACCENT overreacting. Its a college campus, not live tv. So what if blowjob was said. And if they didn't react, this guy would have been a footnote of the event and Kerry would have answered his questions.

Either everyone played into his plan, or he had a little assistance from someone within ACCENT.

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2007, 03:42:30 AM »
I completely do not believe that his right to free speech was violated.  He completely had the right to ask whatever question.  But it was a school assembly and they can decide what rules are to be followed.  If he had asked in a civilized intelligent manner, instead of being rude, arrogant, and crude, then there would be no issue (but then thats not what he wanted), like I said before, its a school function, so they can escort anybody out if they please.  As for the tazing, he was thrashing around pretty violently in a very crowded room, if he wasnt stopped quickly he could've easily hurt somebody, or more likely himself.  Security had to restrain him fast without causing any real physical damage, and from what I've heard they even warned him before they did it that they would taze him if he didn't calm down (thus the famous line "Dont tase me bro!").   No I have never been tased, but I would prefer it to a physical injury that requires time to heal, and I expect security to use necessary force to restrain somebody who is acting like that.  There are cases where the police go overboard, but I dont think this is one of them.  
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RE: Don't tase me, bro!
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2007, 04:46:36 AM »
Is there an abridged version of the OP?

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2007, 04:50:52 AM »
Not really.  The point of the original post is to avoid skipping any details, so that way people can get the full story.  But basically, event starts, finishes, boy cuts through line to get in his 2 cents, rather than a question, says "blow-job," was going to be thrown out, thrashed, kicked, and waved arms around, got taken to the ground by university police, still was flailing arms, was warned to stop with a taser in view, tased, finished being cuffed, taken out of the room, and showed that he was doing most of it to make a big show of himself.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2007, 06:13:50 AM »
from the accounts told by thatguy, i feel the guy deserved what he got though if he's really that much of a douche and a sleezebag i'd rather him of not gotten what he deserved, simply because he wouldnt of succeeded in getting the attention he so badly desired.

on the issue of force, i didnt see the video but it sounds like all he was doing was kicking and flailing after the police grabbed him... i dont think the taser was neccesary especially since he was outnumbered... the cops could of easily restrained his legs as well as his arms and carried him out without the need of a taser. again because this guy was being a total d*ck he deserves it but its a shame thats what he actually wanted to happen.

i'll be honest though, im a little biased against police using force becuase i've seen it done with my own two eyes when it wasn't necissary and its not something you can get out of your head easily, it stays with you. i'm not the type that thinks or says the police go around bullying people and beating up aaanyone, i give them the benifit of the doubt that their arresting someone who deserves to be. when it comes to force though, some of them have abused their power in instances where they shouldnt have used any force, at all.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2007, 06:25:19 AM »
I think everyone who posted seriously about this should be tasered because this is the FUNHOUSE.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2007, 06:28:36 AM »
that sounds like a serious opinion to me.. TASER HER BRO!!
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2007, 06:31:56 AM »
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that sounds like a serious opinion to me.. TASER HER BRO!!


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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2007, 06:36:23 AM »
sounds kinda hot
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RE: Don't tase me, bro!
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2007, 06:52:02 AM »
Masochists and tasers, Pyramid Head would be proud.

I tend to agree with Evan.  At the point at which they tasered the guy, he was kinda asking for it, but if they had just let him finish his questions instead of escorting him out he would have been regarded as a harmless kook.

Of course on the other hand we've got these dirty hippie college students insulting the cops, which is very rude.  Perhaps the school needs a NO HIPPIES sign in the auditorium.  I know where to get one!  
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RE: Don't tase me, bro!
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2007, 07:17:34 AM »
Watch the video on youtube. It's disturbing, IMO. link

Also, this is being moved to General Chat so the "serious discussion" can continue (though I'll bet in a few days the discussion will get so stupid I'll have to move it back to the Funhouse).
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2007, 07:41:09 AM »
Don't break my wrist?  Sounds like a pansy to me.  Not to mention kind of a jerk-off.

That said, I generally hate the police.  I know I'm supposed to pick sides or something here, but can I just get away thinking that this guy and the police who arrested him are all idiots?
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2007, 07:44:35 AM »
It is funny people hate police when they get in trouble, but will love the police if they save their butt when they ARE in trouble.
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2007, 07:53:42 AM »
I think giving our militaristic police force the freedom to act on their own discretion, and justifying their discretion after the fact in the name of "safety," is scarier than all hell.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2007, 07:57:20 AM »
I fail to see the reasoning being that statement. Are the police actively trying to take away your constitutionally-guaranteed rights? Are they working with Bush to turn America into a police state? Have they been given equipment more formidable than police cars, sidearms (which are readily available to Americans), and police radios?  

I would like to know why our police are militaristic, under whose discretion they should be acting, and who deserves the right to determine when 'safety' is at risk.
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2007, 08:01:18 AM »
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I think giving our militaristic police force the freedom to act on their own discretion, and justifying their discretion after the fact in the name of "safety," is scarier than all hell.


OH noes, the police are to get you, those so called "militaristic" police, whatever they are. If I am not mistaken this particular thing was done by campus police which are not related to state police. I don't think people realize what danger police put themselves in each day and how much discretion they really have, sometimes it gets them killed.
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RE: Don't tase me, bro!
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2007, 08:01:42 AM »
Sorry to everyone, but this is definitely political and that is definitely a no-no.  :-/
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