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PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« on: August 26, 2007, 07:31:26 AM »
 Heavenly Sword which all PS3 owners were looking for got a decent from very biased reviewers.

Had this been a Wii game and reviewed by the Wii editors of IGN I imagine the game would have gotten a 6, the PS3 editors do a good job of pointing out the games faults, while keeping civil, and making it seem like it's not too bad. However if you read in between the lines, you can see that this game isn't worth the Charmin Ultra Softs the developers used to wipe their butts:



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The story isn't exactly the deepest thing we've ever witnessed, but the presentation helps give it weight that wouldn't necessarily have felt like it was there otherwise.


No story, but somehow the graphics make up for it...


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While the combat mechanics are generally quite strong, Heavenly Sword relies on them far too much to carry the excitement through to the end. You'll quickly find that you're fighting the same battles time and time again, and that there isn't much variety in what you need to do. Sure, you have a large number of combos at your disposal, but the actual battles are largely the same.

Part of the problem is that aside from the bosses, you really only fight the same soldier types for most of the game. There's the basic soldier, the heavily armored soldier, guys with bows and some ninjas. There are one or two other enemy types to fight at certain spots, but they're few and far between. Most of these enemies are introduced early on in the game, and you'll fight them until the very end.


Good combat "mechanics", but combat itself is generic and repeating...


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Another issue is that a number of the skirmishes are essentially arena battles where you wind up trapped in a room and need to fend off swarm after swarm of enemies. This just makes it feel like you're trudging through that section of the game and that the designers are keeping you put for a while to rack up the overall game time. Whereas better-paced titles will have you constantly moving forward as you fight, or at least reward you with a new item in these cases, with Heavenly Sword it feels as if your progression is oftentimes paused as you fight off a number of enemies before progressing with nothing new to show for it.


Trying to make the game longer with unimportant, unwanted, and halting dungeons. I assume that when he says "better-paced titles" he means games like Zelda, where you are always rewarded for your hard work.


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There's one section in particular where you must use a crank to raise a large statue and then bounce a shield off it and into another button before the statue lowers back down to the ground. With every miss you need to go back over and spend time raising the statue back up again. This is a very small example and wouldn't necessarily reflect poorly on the game on its own, but there are a number of somewhat similar parts that do make the experience a little frustrating at times.


Another example of how bad the gameplay is.


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But there are a few sniper sections that simply go on for far too long as using Aftertouch to properly steer her arrows slows the game to a crawl. The concept is cool, but when you need to snipe soldier after soldier after soldier with little to no challenge, it just gets old fast.


He's referring to parts of the game where you play as another character, and guess what? The gameplay STILL sucks.

Even though I have no intention of buying a PS3 I was looking forward to this game, now all that is left really is MGS4.
 
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RE: PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2007, 07:37:33 AM »
The game sounds a lot like Alien Syndrome minus the multiplayer.

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RE: PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2007, 07:52:21 AM »
Yeah I saw that review earlier today, I loled at the 7.0.

Maybe someday PS3 will get a good game . . . maybe.

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RE:PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2007, 08:07:57 AM »
Pass me the rifle, it's time someone put the PS3 out of its misery.
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RE: PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2007, 08:26:02 AM »
Honestly, I thought this was gonna be a good game. Seems like I was wrong.
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RE: PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 08:40:34 AM »
I think the review quotes you chose fall right in line with what I expected out of the game.

I laughed hardest at you saying that the Wii editors would have given it a 6, and that that makes the PS3 editors biased?  Hah, 1 point difference?  That seems like quite a silly assumption.

Playing the demo, I fully expected it to be a button mash enemies everywhere fest with a killer story and some beautiful animation to go along with it.  I see nothing wrong with allowing great cinematography to bring a score up a few notches.  Hell, if the gameplay was top notch and the cinematography was absolute crap, I would expect it to bring the score down.

While it's fun to hate on the PS3 (and/or 360) they won't go away.  Like it or not, a certain group of developers want to put as many power hungry features in their games as possible.  That is the reason these big titles won't come to Wii.  As much as I'd love to see a game like FF XIII go Wii exclusive, Square is built on gorgeous graphics.  They need a powerful system that sells well in Japan.  That sure as hell isn't Wii or 360.
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RE: PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2007, 08:48:58 AM »
Or PS3?
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2007, 08:52:19 AM »
And that is why Square will continue to fail =)

Let's all be honest here, square isn't going to be making back those mega bucks they spend on their graphically insane games on the PS3.

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 08:54:26 AM »
Also speaking of killer aps that bombed how about Blue Dragon for the Xbox 360? I hear it's getting not so favorable reviews.

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 09:06:32 AM »
I hear that Blue Dragon moved a respectable 200k units in Japan. If it doesn't do particularly well in the states, then it'll lose money for MS surely... even though they probably don't care about that.
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RE: PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2007, 09:13:29 AM »
7 isn't a terrible score....

I believe that MGS4 will be a good game. Maybe it won't justify buying a $600 console, but it's still something great to play.

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RE: PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2007, 09:17:43 AM »
Yeah it's not a terrible score but it isn't "killer ap" score.

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2007, 09:20:30 AM »
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Pass me the rifle, it's time someone put the PS3 out of its misery.


Hey, don't shoot my media player and PS2...

After playing the demo I lost interest in this game.  Even though the little commercial sized anime is sort of interesting.  I'm more excited about Folklore.  Which I had little interest in before the demo but now am generally interested.  It has potential.  I hope it has the story to match.
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RE:PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2007, 09:29:46 AM »
IGN ratings explained:

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7.0 to 7.9
A good game that has some obvious flaws. Games scoring in the high end of this range might have some first-rate elements, whereas the lower 7s have some serious shortcomings that keep them from ever achieving classic status.


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6.0 to 6.9
Passable, but just barely. Games in this range have more blemishes than strengths, but still might be worth a look if you're into games of its type. The other games are polite to the sixes, but they don't get invited to any of the parties. Rent this game or download the demo first before spending your hard-earned money.


Hopefully this better explains my opinion of them being biased.
 
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RE: PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2007, 09:33:24 AM »
"I see nothing wrong with allowing great cinematography to bring a score up a few notches. Hell, if the gameplay was top notch and the cinematography was absolute crap, I would expect it to bring the score down."

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2007, 09:41:22 AM »
I dunno, the quotes you gave made it sound like a 7. There's obvious flaws that will keep the game from becoming timeless, but it seems that there are definitely a lot of features that are on the verge of redemption.
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2007, 10:04:03 AM »
Hah.  I'm still the same Pale.  I've always played and loved all of the FFs, and I'm also one of the first people to admit that most of them require obscene grinding beyond sane levels.  My point was that cinematography should definitely play a role in a games review.  How much of a role depends completely on the game.  A game like Mario Galaxy is about the immediate experience.  It doesn't matter there.  A game like Final Fantasy is about getting lost in a fantasy world.  The emphasis is tilted much more towards engrossing the player so that they feel like that are just a piece of something much much bigger.  Both styles are some of my absolute favorites.

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I just read threads like this that relatively irrationally bash another system and it kind of irks me.

It's not like the Wii's current crop of games is tearing up the charts.

As for your DS comment, it's a point well taken, but it does not change the fact that Square is going to have their huge budget FF title.  The only thing that will change that is if they release one and it flops.

Maybe that will be FF XIII on PS3.  I doubt it though.  It's still going to sell phenomenally well.
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RE:PS3's Killer App Gets A 7.0 (decent) From IGN
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2007, 10:05:41 AM »
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It's not like the Wii's current crop of games is tearing up the charts.


I assume you're not talking about the *sales* charts here...

Just some random guy on the internet who has a different opinion of games than you.

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2007, 10:06:56 AM »
Well . . . tomorrow that will change

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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2007, 10:08:38 AM »
Obviously to both UB and Mashiro.

I still think all of you will have a PS3 once LBP hits.  
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2007, 10:10:01 AM »
I don't even own a PS2?  What makes you think I'd want to buy a $500 PS3 when that same $500 could buy me about 400 old GameBoys?
Just some random guy on the internet who has a different opinion of games than you.

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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2007, 10:10:56 AM »
Uh . . . no.

I won't be buying a PS3 unless there is a Naruto MMORPG that comes out on it and it's good. (Same goes for Xbox 360).

I have no urge to give Sony my money once again for a system I will never touch.

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2007, 10:15:52 AM »
Poor Sony. They've got a GameCube 2 on their hands.

Oh well, there's always WarHawk! I've been hearing good things about that game!
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2007, 10:16:51 AM »
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Poor Sony. They've got a GameCube 2 on their hands.


Wait when was Gamecube an over priced console with no decent games?

At least GC launched with Smash Bros.

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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2007, 10:39:48 AM »
And Pikmin.
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