Author Topic: Official SSBB SmashDate Discussion (Read 583844 times)

Tanookisuit · « **Reply #1975 on:** October 25, 2007, 08:27:13 AM »

Yeah, with so many franchises having multiple characters now, it's hard for me to imagine no other Metroid characters making the cut. Ridley makes sense. We'll see. I don't think Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Marth or Ness are certain to return.

NinjaWang · « **Reply #1976 on:** October 25, 2007, 08:28:57 AM »

Thats what I was thinking 3-4 per series ala DK needs a villian, Starfox and samus aswell

Updated w/ dedede

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #1977 on:** October 25, 2007, 08:40:49 AM »

Pretty soon that picture will get insanely crowded...

Adrock · « **Reply #1978 on:** October 25, 2007, 09:49:16 AM »

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Sonic was in before he was even on that poll, I believe. He was the most highly-requested 3rd party character for the game in a public poll, hence why he doesn't appear on other polls.

Sakurai wouldn't put Sonic in his own poll because he was the most highly requested in another poll? How does that make sense? If Sakurai and his team are picking characters based on Sakurai's own poll, as some here suggest, then why would a completely different poll take precedence? Moreover, why would Sakurai create an entirely different poll, if he was already picking characters from the other one?

Here's what I don't understand: people like to say Sakurai said this or the polls had that, but I'm not convinced that you can really trust either as concrete info. If Geno ends up playable in the game, I'll change my tune. Until then, I don't really see more than what's there. King Dedede, Diddy Kong, and Ike are all obvious choices for a variety of reasons.

And I still don't think Geno will be playable. There are better choices in terms of Square-Enix characters, let alone other 3rd party additions. If there was one spot left (which I personally, don't believe) and it came down to Geno and Mega Man, I have no doubt Nintendo would choose Mega Man. Non-Smash fans might buy the game for Mega Man while I don't think the same can be said of Geno.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1979 on:** October 25, 2007, 09:59:31 AM »

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Here's what I don't understand: people like to say Sakurai said this or the polls had that, but I'm not convinced that you can really trust either as concrete info. If Geno ends up playable in the game, I'll change my tune. Until then, I don't really see more than what's there. King Dedede, Diddy Kong, and Ike are all obvious choices for a variety of reasons.

Admittedly, I've only heard all of this through hearsay myself, but where is Wario on Sakurai's list? Where's Pit? The modified list doesn't contain the characters that were already decided to be in, and I feel Sonic also was decided upon a while ago.

And how is King Dedede "obvious"? The Kirby games have always been more of a niche than a mainstream Nintendo franchise and Kirby's "villain" role has already been filled by Metaknight.

I'm not arguing against Dedede because I love all the penguin jokes I'm inevitably going to be making now (and this gives me more heavy characters to try out), but Dedede's inclusion was anything but "obvious".

I think the list is a good guide, and I fully expect to see Ridley and Geno in the game as well.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1980 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:15:09 AM »

"Admittedly, I've only heard all of this through hearsay myself, but where is Wario on Sakurai's list? Where's Pit? The modified list doesn't contain the characters that were already decided to be in, and I feel Sonic also was decided upon a while ago."

The poll was made AFTER the characters were revealed to be characters, so of course... =)

And Meta Knight is more anti-hero than villain...

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #1981 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:39:22 AM »

King Dedede, Pit, Wario, Metaknight and Diddy Kong were characters that were obvious choices way back during the SSB 64 and Melee days yet for some reason Sakurai and his team ignored them and turned them into trophies instead, hence why people wondered if they were going to make the cut for Brawl.

That's another reason I find myself annoyed at the clones; they're placeholders for characters that should have been in Melee

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1982 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:45:01 AM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion The poll was made AFTER the characters were revealed to be characters, so of course... =)

...which is why I think Sonic was already a lock when the poll was made, hence why he wasn't on it.

Pit was in the game because he won polls (in the US, I know for sure). I'm betting that the polls involving Sonic happened before Sakurai's official poll showed up.

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And Meta Knight is more anti-hero than villain...

True, but Dedede is hardly the hardcore villain type, either.

Also, I think it's fair that Kirby has two characters because 1. Hal started the franchise and 2. the SSB combat is most directly derived from the Kirby games.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1983 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:56:10 AM »

But it's not like they are minor characters...I haven't played through too many Kirby games, yet I still realize they are staple members of the Kirby franchise and Nintendo-dom in general...Now if Waddle Dee or some other minor character gets a playable spot, THEN I'll raise an eyebrow... ='D

NinjaWang · « **Reply #1984 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:02:08 AM »

Dedede really has me fiending for K Rool....I dunno why....More heavies like sb said but I feel the need for more character/villian representation

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #1985 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:35:40 AM »

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Dedede really has me fiending for K Rool....I dunno why....More heavies like sb said but I feel the need for more character/villian representation

King K. Rool would also cement the DK series even further. DK was originally a Mario character so SSB's DK represented both Mario and DKC. Diddy on the other hand is the only TRUE DKC character representing the series. King K. Rool would represent the series even more and would give DK a TRUE villain to work with.

He has some moves they could easily use. For example, there's the crown throw, cannonball and high jumping attacks from DKC 1, his gun from DKC 2 and even some of his boxing moves from DK 64.

Even if he is a bit like Bowser he is very unique from him.

However, I doubt we will see him in Brawl. On the "DK makes a stand" video, his bananas are being stolen by BOWSER'S minions. K.Rool has his kremling crew. If stealing DK's banana's is a ploy by the subspace emissary to kidnap DK and Diddy and destroy their world should K. Rool be the one doing it?

that Baby guy · « **Reply #1986 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:38:15 AM »

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But it's not like they are minor characters...I haven't played through too many Kirby games, yet I still realize they are staple members of the Kirby franchise and Nintendo-dom in general...Now if Waddle Dee or some other minor character gets a playable spot, THEN I'll raise an eyebrow... ='D

That said, Waddle Dee would be an awesome Kirby costume.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1987 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:49:55 AM »

Indeed it would!

Oh, and Krystal just about confirmed...

ShyGuy · « **Reply #1988 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:52:01 AM »

Freaking furries....

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1989 on:** October 25, 2007, 12:38:35 PM »

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Freaking furries....

Indeed.

But that doesn't confirm her as a playable. She could still be an assist trophy.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1990 on:** October 25, 2007, 12:41:39 PM »

Does anyone really think the only other Star Fox character that has a possible move set that makes sense and would be unique won't be a character? Major denial... =3

anubis6789 · « **Reply #1991 on:** October 25, 2007, 12:48:38 PM »

Or she could appear in one of the cinemas.

By the way; it was mentioned earlier but I am pretty sure that Wario is a confirmed heavy character, but I cannot remember where I read that.

Plaguefox · « **Reply #1992 on:** October 25, 2007, 12:50:50 PM »

Holy hell, that's Chell from Portal. I never would have made that connection. (Well, who would?) Krystal being all-but-confirmed is going to explode internets, but realistically the options from StarFox are Wolf and Krystal, right? I mean, presuming Falco is in due to previous involvement.

Anyway, I have this odd feeling Nintendo isn't all that fond of King K. Rool. Like he's the bad guy equivalent of the red-headed stepchild. Like he's second-tier, you know? Not to say I specifically expect him not to show up, but I'm not keeping my hopes up. I love the notion of the game having a proper "heroes vs villains" style of character selection, though!

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1993 on:** October 25, 2007, 12:54:39 PM »

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Does anyone really think the only other Star Fox character that has a possible move set that makes sense and would be unique won't be a character? Major denial... =3

She could easily be playable, but we can't hammer her down as playable yet, especially when that same actress listed an assist trophy as one of the voices she played.

Also, Samurai Goroh made by far the most sense for another F-Zero character and yet he was ATed out, as were Jill of Drill Dozer, Little Mac and Lyndis (who would have made an excellent "light" sword wielder to balance out Ike).

It could easily happen, but it's still too early to be saying "Krystal is playable in Brawl". She has 3 votes on Sakurai's poll so I'd lean toward her being in, but like I said, it ain't announced until it's announced.

And if Kawashima is on Sakurai's list with 2 mentions, then I think Andross' big floating head is still in the running for playable.

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By the way; it was mentioned earlier but I am pretty sure that Wario is a confirmed heavy character, but I cannot remember where I read that.

Ah good. I'm guessing he'll be a medium-heavy, since there are clearly heavier characters out and about.

IceCold · « **Reply #1994 on:** October 25, 2007, 01:13:37 PM »

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Oh, and Krystal just about confirmed...

She could be like what Slippy and Peppy were in Brawl..

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1995 on:** October 25, 2007, 01:36:04 PM »

Hmm, that's a good point.

If the Starfox stage has commentary from the characters the same way Snake's does, she could just be a radio transmission.

I expect her to be involved in the game, though, either playable or at the least, an AT.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #1996 on:** October 25, 2007, 01:59:58 PM »

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Also, Samurai Goroh made by far the most sense for another F-Zero character and yet he was ATed out, as were Jill of Drill Dozer, Little Mac and Lyndis (who would have made an excellent "light" sword wielder to balance out Ike).

But the thing is, Krystal has played a much bigger role and is now the third most important character in the Star Fox series. If they're going to include a new Star Fox character she would be the most likely to appear, since Fox and Falco are the two most important ones that are already playable.

Every since F-Zero X, Black Shadow has been the second most important character in the series, not Goroh. If there's a second character F-Zero character it will be Black Shadow. Jill never stood any chance since her game bombed and nobody except for just a few dedicated fans know who she is. And once again Lyn never had any chance either since Eliwood and Hector were both much more important characters then she was.

I'll give you Little Mac since he was from a well known classic game. Of course I could make the argument that since Smash Bros is meant for the most popular and important Nintendo characters, there isn't going to be that many classic characters and so with Pit, Ice Climbers and Game and Watch, they might have all the classic characters they want.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #1997 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:01:46 PM »

Yeah, considering that there has been A LOT of drama between Fox and Kyrstal in the newer Starfox games I'll be surprised if she wasn't in the game.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1998 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:09:31 PM »

You know the issue with King K. Rool is that if he was in the game, wouldn't he have been the villain stealing Donkey Kong's Bananas?

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #1999 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:24:06 PM »

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You know the issue with King K. Rool is that if he was in the game, wouldn't he have been the villain stealing Donkey Kong's Bananas?

Check what I said earlier...

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However, I doubt we will see him in Brawl. On the "DK makes a stand" video, his bananas are being stolen by BOWSER'S minions. K.Rool has his kremling crew. If stealing DK's banana's is a ploy by the subspace emissary to kidnap DK and Diddy and destroy their world should K. Rool be the one doing it?

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