Author Topic: Medal of Honor Heroes 2 (Read 36022 times)

ShyGuy · « **Reply #50 on:** September 12, 2007, 05:17:17 PM »

I got you added my man! My number is 2639-4438-4537-3501 I'll sign up for EA Nation closer to the game release.

Kenology · « **Reply #51 on:** September 13, 2007, 12:37:19 AM »

What in the world is EA Nation!? I'm guessing it's their server, but more info please.

Terranigma Freak · « **Reply #52 on:** September 13, 2007, 02:44:43 AM »

Other than some bloom, the effects are very bland as in the screens. They're still pumping out PS2/N64 flat water in this game.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #53 on:** September 13, 2007, 04:41:07 AM »

Yeah the water looks bad but the explosions look decent. My biggest pet peeve is the belt bullet feeding into the machine gun isn't animated.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 13, 2007, 04:49:35 AM »

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Yeah the water looks bad but the explosions look decent. My biggest pet peeve is the belt bullet feeding into the machine gun isn't animated.

Well, that settles it, I withdraw my interest from the game now. sale -1

darknight06 · « **Reply #55 on:** September 13, 2007, 08:49:26 AM »

Keep in mind the game is supposed to handle 32 players at once as well as keep 60fps. It's no surprise some stuff was probably cut back to get it.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #56 on:** September 14, 2007, 05:16:48 AM »

So how many here and going to feel dirty and immoral for buying this game? I say give me GTA, that game is super moral!

Kenology · « **Reply #57 on:** September 14, 2007, 05:18:47 AM »

Not I.

I say we all commemorate our purchase by having a NWR deathmatch online!

Mashiro · « **Reply #58 on:** September 14, 2007, 11:26:25 AM »

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So how many here and going to feel dirty and immoral for buying this game? I say give me GTA, that game is super moral!

I have no interest in taking joy in war games so . . . I won't be buying this game =)

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #59 on:** September 14, 2007, 11:43:41 AM »

At least in this context, playing as an OSS agent, the lone heroic soldier model of WWII games makes some sense and isn't as immorally unethically disrespectful to the horrible reality of war. Ooh, I know, he was on a mission to find out more about Nazi disintegration units, which automatically activate after death! That's why the bodies disappear!

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #60 on:** September 14, 2007, 11:57:18 AM »

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So how many here and going to feel dirty and immoral for buying this game? I say give me GTA, that game is super moral!

I have no interest in taking joy in war games so . . . I won't be buying this game =)

Metroid Prime 3 is a war game of sorts so you PHAIL.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #61 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:00:16 PM »

You're not my friend anymore Mashiro.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #62 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:11:08 PM »

I think people who like Metroid Prime 3 should be ashamed of themselves, it tries to cover up the atrocity of killing bug creatures by toning down the violence not to mention it spits in the face of everyone who fought in a war.

Mashiro · « **Reply #63 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:31:33 PM »

I've never liked those sorts of games anyway, sorry Shyguy.

And GP phails for taking everything out of context =)

Edit: ACTUALLY GP, you PHAIL for not realizing the remnants of battles and the destruction they bring are more than prevalent in MP3. Many dead Galactic Federation bodies remain and their reason of death is revealed upon scanning them.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #64 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:35:13 PM »

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I've never liked those sorts of games anyway, sorry Shyguy.

And GP phails for taking everything out of context =)

Edit: ACTUALLY GP, you PHAIL for not realizing the remnants of battles and the destruction they bring are more than prevalent in MP3. Many dead Galactic Federation bodies remain and their reason of death is revealed upon scanning them.

But all those poor aliens you are slaughtering, they get no respect, there deaths are quick and simplistic. As we know in the real world death is much more disturbing, so in turn Metroid Prime 3 is disrespecting what real death is like.

Mashiro · « **Reply #65 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:40:40 PM »

Because GP likes to spin things I'll just post what I put in a private message to sum up my thoughts:

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I wouldn't go as far to say it is unethical, but I would say it is disrespectful to make an entertaining game out of something which subject matter is anything but.

War is war. It isn't make believe, it isn't fairy tales, it isn't made up games of people fighting in space. War games based on actual wars that fail to show the true grittiness and hellishness of war should not be made.

There ya go.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #66 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:44:25 PM »

So where do you draw the line? Death is a very real and quite disturbing, yet games of all kinds simplify it, so isn't that in turn disrespecting the importance and impact of death? Shouldn't ANY game that depicts a war be put under the same light? If your definition of it being disrespectful to make war entertaining since it is such as terrible thing apply to any game that depicts a war? It can be based on a real event or fantasy, but the central theme, war is still the same and I would think out of being consistent you would have to condemn both that turn war into entertainment.

Mashiro · « **Reply #67 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:48:03 PM »

That's not the topic at hand now is it?

The topic of discussion (well which should be MoH2 Heros. . .) or more to the point my opinion is that games based on real said events (in this case WWII) which do not accurately depict the battles at hand and the true suffering and hell of war is disrespectful to those who served.

Just my 2 cents.

Edit for your edit: There is a big difference between real events and fake events.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #68 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:51:04 PM »

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That's not the topic at hand now is it?

The topic of discussion (well which should be MoH2 Heros. . .) or more to the point my opinion is that games based on real said events (in this case WWII) which do not accurately depict the battles at hand and the true suffering and hell of war is disrespectful to those who served.

Just my 2 cents.

And how might you depict true suffering through a game? With a standard like that it is virtually impossible unless you built a holodeck. Regardless if a game/poem/movie/play/story inspires someone to research further into the event, that is not disrespect but opening the doors to deeper understanding.

Mashiro · « **Reply #69 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:53:34 PM »

Maybe make something like how Saving Private Ryan is and there ya go.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #70 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:55:28 PM »

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Maybe make something like how Saving Private Ryan is and there ya go.

So a visual representation is true suffering? I'm sorry but the only way you are going to portray that is by actually INVOLVING the person physically in something like that, otherwise it is an impossible standard. Maybe the game should also let you rape an individual, because without that then it woudln't be a true representation of war, because that stuff goes on all the time. Then guess what? The game would be rated AO and no one would get to play it, brilliant! That is the way to teach people about war, make in inaccessible for most individuals. Heck at the very least "respectful" games to war would be rated M, closing the door on underage buyers, which in turn could be turning away individuals that may find something of interest and, yes, respect what happened there.

Mashiro · « **Reply #71 on:** September 14, 2007, 01:34:12 PM »

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So a visual representation is true suffering?

Many scenes in saving private ryan scared the ever loving crap out of me and certainly make me never ever want to be a part of a war . . .

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Maybe the game should also let you rape an individual, because without that then it woudln't be a true representation of war, because that stuff goes on all the time. Then guess what? The game would be rated AO and no one would get to play it, brilliant! That is the way to teach people about war, make in inaccessible for most individuals. Heck at the very least "respectful" games to war would be rated M, closing the door on underage buyers, which in turn could be turning away individuals that may find something of interest and, yes, respect what happened there.

Fun fact: I wouldn't give a damn if they didn't even make the games, in fact, maybe we could do without the whole genre of historically based war games.

How many people have actually gained respect for those events through games? Come on now, people just like to feel like the good guy shooting the sh*t out of the bad guys. From personal experience the people who really enjoy these games that I have met tend to show little in terms of intelligence when it comes to actual battles and are more along the lines of those people who think that they themselves can goto X country and put a boot in its ass and that they would be cool for doing so.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #72 on:** September 14, 2007, 01:38:25 PM »

Respect and accuracy doesn't sell games to the mainstreamers. So they cut that stuff out and create pickup-n-play fluff.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #73 on:** September 14, 2007, 01:41:32 PM »

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So a visual representation is true suffering?

Many scenes in saving private ryan scared the ever loving crap out of me and certainly make me never ever want to be a part of a war . . .

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Maybe the game should also let you rape an individual, because without that then it woudln't be a true representation of war, because that stuff goes on all the time. Then guess what? The game would be rated AO and no one would get to play it, brilliant! That is the way to teach people about war, make in inaccessible for most individuals. Heck at the very least "respectful" games to war would be rated M, closing the door on underage buyers, which in turn could be turning away individuals that may find something of interest and, yes, respect what happened there.

Fun fact: I wouldn't give a damn if they didn't even make the games, in fact, maybe we could do without the whole genre of historically based war games.

How many people have actually gained respect for those events through games? Come on now, people just like to feel like the good guy shooting the sh*t out of the bad guys. From personal experience the people who really enjoy these games that I have met tend to show little in terms of intelligence when it comes to actual battles and are more along the lines of those people who think that they themselves can goto X country and put a boot in its ass and that they would be cool for doing so.

I personally found Saving Private Ryan to be overrated, I prefer We were Heroes. SPR was so dang cliche, whether it be the bad guy they let go (who would have more than likely been shot) came back to haunt them in a forced scene in the end, or an idiot taking off his helmet in battle and getting shot in the head. Nice generalization by the way, so now people who play these games show little intelligence in what real war is like. Heck unless you actually have fought in a war, you probably don't know as much as you think you do either. Since you appear to like making generalizing based on your experience, I've found that war games/movies etc have inspired me to look deeper into them.

Mashiro · « **Reply #74 on:** September 14, 2007, 02:34:21 PM »

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Since you appear to like making generalizing

But GP that is all you do is generalize so what difference does it make?

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