Topic: Major 3rd parties coming around, at long last?

[Smash_Brother]

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Here’s some more great news for Nintendo fans. Sega, Bandai-Namco, and Capcom all like to make money off of their games. It seems that their projects for the PS3 and PSP just aren’t raking in the kind of dough that they want. What do you do when you want to make games that have a chance of selling? You move them to a platform that has the most momentum. While these companies will still make games for all platforms, there will be an increased focus on the Wii and DS. I am sure the 360 will do just fine with games from these companies as well, but it sounds like Sony may start to hurt sometime soon.

I figured this was bound to happen at some point. Glad to see it, if it is indeed true.

[Bill Aurion]

I'd like a Tales game from Namco, an RE game based off of the RE4 engine from Capcom, and Sega can just go sit in the corner (or make a real 2.5D Sonic, but that'll never happen)...  

[Luigi Dude]

Well it was bound to finally happen.  This is what I've been complaining about for so long that all these Japanese companies are very stupid by giving Sony systems, especially the PSP all this support even though their games have already sold like crap and will continue to sell like crap.  Even though the DS and Wii are perfect fits for their series and have proven in the past to give them good sales these companies continued to ignore Nintendo.

But after all their games bombed bad enough like they have on the PSP and PS3 eventually they had to finally realize that the Sony user base doesn't care about them and never will.  If these Japanese companies want money, their only options are to develop for Nintendo platforms because Sony's systems are failing like crazy and Microsoft's audience only cares about Western games and would never even think about buying anything from Japan.  Unless it's already heavily Westernized like Dead Rising or Lost Planet.

[ShyGuy]

Yet Soul Calibur 4, Resident Evil 5, and Condemned 2 are for the 360 and PS3.

[IceCold]

Well, I've expected especially Namco to come out huge at E3 for Nintendo.. hopefully that happens.

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Sega can just go sit in the corner (or make a real 2.5D Sonic, but that'll never happen)...

Give me Panzer Dragoon, another light gun game, an arcade racer, and Shenmue please!

Well, at the very least Panzer Dragoon.. however much SEGA has gone downhill lately, Orta on Xbox got great reviews, and imagine what the controller could do for that game.

[denjet78]

But Sega what the one that came out and said the Wii was shallow recently. This whole developer thing is turning into a big soap opera.

*cue soap opera music*

Sega: No Wii, we cannot be together. For you see, you're shallow. I need a real system with real power under the hood. Can you render graphics akin to reality? PS3 says it can.
Nintendo: You know that's a lie. And since when am I shallow? Sure, I'm not the biggest or the strongest but I'm safe and secure and dependable. And I know how to touch you. You remember that, babe. Don't you? Just reach on out and give me a whirl.
Sega: I CAN'T~! Besides, PS3 already bought me a mansion and all I have to do is *** * ***** ****... Wait, what? Let's try this again. *Ahem* All I have to do is *** * *** * ******... ... Damn forum filter!
Nintendo: Can't you see? It's a sign! A sign that you shouldn't whore yourself out just because PS3 is throwing huge gobs of money at you now. That's PS3's answer to everything! But he doesn't know how to make you happy. Only I can do that.
Sega: I just don't know...

*cue soap opera music again*

Will Nintendo and Sega ever get back together? Will PS3 be able to tempt Sega away with a fistful of cash? And what Of Capcom and Namco-Bandai who weren't even mentioned in this episode but will be in the next with a hot lesbian love triangle? Anyway, stay tuned for the next explosive episode *BOOM* (there goes another Sony laptop battery) of All My Consoles~!

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I still don't understand all the resistance Nintendo has been dealing with from the big name Japanese devs. At any other time in console history they would have jumped on the lead console as soon as it started to pull ahead, which is far from where Wii is as it's a good 50 or 60 miles down the road already while the PS3 has barely managed to limp past the 100 meter line. Something is very fishy when developers, who always talk about how they put their games on the system with the largest user base, are all but ignoring the system with the largest user base. And I don't buy any BS about power as the weakest system is the one that almost always wins out in the end.

The way things are going I'm half expecting Wii to be the biggest selling console and still receive very little or just plain crap support for everyone except Nintendo. Apparently not only can Nintendo sell a console on their own, they can sell the #1 console of it's generation. I think a situation like that would end up making them more egotistical than if 3rd parties came back to them. Imagine Nintendo telling 3rd parties to go screw themselves en mass because they really don't need them.

Scary stuff...

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: denjet78
But Sega what the one that came out and said the Wii was shallow recently. This whole developer thing is turning into a big soap opera.

*cue soap opera music*

Sega: No Wii, we cannot be together. For you see, you're shallow. I need a real system with real power under the hood. Can you render graphics akin to reality? PS3 says it can.
Nintendo: You know that's a lie. And since when am I shallow? Sure, I'm not the biggest or the strongest but I'm safe and secure and dependable. And I know how to touch you. You remember that, babe. Don't you? Just reach on out and give me a whirl.
Sega: I CAN'T~! Besides, PS3 already bought me a mansion and all I have to do is *** * ***** ****... Wait, what? Let's try this again. *Ahem* All I have to do is *** * *** * ******... ... Damn forum filter!
Nintendo: Can't you see? It's a sign! A sign that you shouldn't whore yourself out just because PS3 is throwing huge gobs of money at you now. That's PS3's answer to everything! But he doesn't know how to make you happy. Only I can do that.
Sega: I just don't know...

*cue soap opera music again*

Will Nintendo and Sega ever get back together? Will PS3 be able to tempt Sega away with a fistful of cash? And what Of Capcom and Namco-Bandai who weren't even mentioned in this episode but will be in the next with a hot lesbian love triangle? Anyway, stay tuned for the next explosive episode *BOOM* (there goes another Sony laptop battery) of All My Consoles~!

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I still don't understand all the resistance Nintendo has been dealing with from the big name Japanese devs. At any other time in console history they would have jumped on the lead console as soon as it started to pull ahead, which is far from where Wii is as it's a good 50 or 60 miles down the road already while the PS3 has barely managed to limp past the 100 meter line. Something is very fishy when developers, who always talk about how they put their games on the system with the largest user base, are all but ignoring the system with the largest user base. And I don't buy any BS about power as the weakest system is the one that almost always wins out in the end.

The way things are going I'm half expecting Wii to be the biggest selling console and still receive very little or just plain crap support for everyone except Nintendo. Apparently not only can Nintendo sell a console on their own, they can sell the #1 console of it's generation. I think a situation like that would end up making them more egotistical than if 3rd parties came back to them. Imagine Nintendo telling 3rd parties to go screw themselves en mass because they really don't need them.

Scary stuff...

Den I personally think it has taken so long because NIntendo has been struggling the last two generations and 3rd parties needed to have comfort that Wii wasn't just a Christmas fad, but something stable. My guess is that support will skyrocked just like the Nintendo DS (which was quite slow in the 3rd party support as well).

[denjet78]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Den I personally think it has taken so long because NIntendo has been struggling the last two generations and 3rd parties needed to have comfort that Wii wasn't just a Christmas fad, but something stable. My guess is that support will skyrocked just like the Nintendo DS (which was quite slow in the 3rd party support as well).

It's possible, but jumping on the PS3 as if it were a sure thing so early was completely idiotic for developers to do in the first place. It wasn't even like this when the market shifted from Nintendo to Sony last time. As soon as FFVII came out every developer basically considered the N64 dead in the water and before that the market was near split with big name games announced for both platforms. It's taken 6 months and ungodly horrible numbers from the PS3 to see even a hint of that kind of shift and most of these developers are still talking about how they're going to support all systems equally. Which, of course means that they're still worried the Wii is going to flop at any second.

People have been predicting Nintendo's fall since, well, since before the Wii was even announced. It's funny how Sony always gets the benefit of the doubt but Nintendo never does. They have to fight for every last ounce of respect that they get.

[mantidor]

I secretly wish for Nintendo to go back to its Yamauchi days with third parties out of pure spite towards them for the way the treated us Nintendo fans.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: mantidor
I secretly wish for Nintendo to go back to its Yamauchi days with third parties out of pure spite towards them for the way the treated us Nintendo fans.

We all want to slap around some of these 3rd parties, yes, but that would just result in another fall of Nintendo when 3rd parties go running to MS or some other company.  

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: denjet78

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It's possible, but jumping on the PS3 as if it were a sure thing so early was completely idiotic for developers to do in the first place. It wasn't even like this when the market shifted from Nintendo to Sony last time. As soon as FFVII came out every developer basically considered the N64 dead in the water and before that the market was near split with big name games announced for both platforms. It's taken 6 months and ungodly horrible numbers from the PS3 to see even a hint of that kind of shift and most of these developers are still talking about how they're going to support all systems equally. Which, of course means that they're still worried the Wii is going to flop at any second.

People have been predicting Nintendo's fall since, well, since before the Wii was even announced. It's funny how Sony always gets the benefit of the doubt but Nintendo never does. They have to fight for every last ounce of respect that they get.

Well you do bring up good points, but you have to remember that back in the N64 days Nintendo pretty much shot themselves in the foot BIG time with carts. I think 3rd parties were looking for an excuse to jump ship to a system that was cheaper for them (CDs being WAY cheaper than the N64 carts) and had accumulated a fairly substantial userbase. Not to mention that Nintendo wasn't nearly as dominant anymore, even the SNES era was a relatively close race.

I can understand why 3rd parties were (and still are to a point) so hesitant with the Wii. You have to remember most analysts were picking Sony to win even with the 600$ price tag, the Wii was in the shadows for quite some time. Heck even here people were saying how the Wii would not sell out quickly. Whether you like it or not Sony had established a track record with the HUGE success of PS2 and PS1, and had dominated both generations, the PS2 by a huge margin. So can you really blame 3rd parties for betting on the winning horse? One reason why it may be taking so long for 3rd parties to switch is that they have so much invested in PS3 that to switch could be costly!

[Urkel]

Considering how long it took most 3rd parties to start giving the DS some real support, I'd say they're catching on pretty fast.

I still wont expect anything major from Konami. It's pretty sad that the N64 got better Konami support than the Gamecube. Two Goemon games, Hybrid Heaven, International Superstar Soccer... hell, even Castlevania. Sure, Castlevania wasn't very good, but at least we got it.

[Adrock]

Not surprising. It was only a matter of time granted Wii continued to sell. 3rd parties are only loyal to the almighty dollar. I expect more publishers to follow suit and support Wii. As long as it makes money, there's really no reason to believe otherwise.

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mantidor wrote:
I secretly wish for Nintendo to go back to its Yamauchi days with third parties out of pure spite towards them for the way the treated us Nintendo fans.

I know you probably weren't entirely serious, but it was all Yamauchi's fault to begin with. If he didn't go all Emperor Palpatine on 3rd parties, Nintendo would've never been in that little mess they were in the past 10 years or so. If you really want some payback, throw Yamauchi down the energy reactor shaft of a planet destroying space station.

[mantidor]

heh well of course I was half joking, but Yamauchi did what he did because it was the way he revived a dead industry, I can't completly blame him, control was and is needed, but its good that from what I've seen Nintendo has found a balance.

 

[IceCold]

I'm with you denjet - no matter what Nintendo does 3rd parties will always find an excuse not to support the Wii.. that's just the way it is. Hell, the DS still isn't getting the support it deserves for selling 40+ million consoles in only 2 and a half years.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: mantidor
heh well of course I was half joking, but Yamauchi did what he did because it was the way he revived a dead industry, I can't completly blame him, control was and is needed, but its good that from what I've seen Nintendo has found a balance.

Not if you ask Iansane they haven't.

[Athrun Zala]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'd like a Tales game from Namco, an RE game based off of the RE4 engine from Capcom, and Sega, give us Skies of Arcadia 2 and Shenmue III NOW...

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[that Baby guy]

I can't think of much more to actually ask of Nintendo.  They've given us two great platforms, great, interactive, and original first party games, they've got several more on the way, and they've even bought a new studio and are reaching out to other developers and publishers.

Now, third parties, on the other hand, seem to be grasping for a way to make money on Nintendo's success while trying to damage Nintendo's reputation and diminish Nintendo's strengths.  After all the crap we've heard from them, we know Nintendo has been going hog wild to get devs to buy into what they have, and smaller devs seem to love it.  When it comes to the bigger Japanese ones, it's like they've been fed anti-Nintendo propaganda. Honestly.  I'm sick of the crap about the Wii not being a powerful enough system.  What did these people do last generation?  Did they refuse to play the games then, out of expectation of the now-current generations wasteful high-powered graphics standards?  I just don't get it.  What difference is being made in gaming, from relation from last gen to this gen?  With the PS and boxes, there's nothing.  Sure, a slightly more involved online gaming experience, and sure, they've both offered a lot of stuff to watch on your TV, but if I wanted that, I'd buy a nice Media Center PC, and get a lot more bang for my buck.  Not only that, but what do movies and TV shows have to do with video games, anyways?

When you get into that, you see one of the bigger problems in the industry.  What would happen to video games if the Playstations and Xboxes evolved into television-mounted media centers?  If they lost their synonymies with video games?  Anyone can see that this is the path Sony and MS want to take, but honestly, I think you'd have to be a fool of a developer to support something like that.  Eventually, video games would become PC games, and sales would drop to similar levels as PC games face - No one wants to have to upgrade their equipment every one or two years to play the newest games, so the best sellers are games several years old:  StarCraft, Myst, Doom, face it, PC games take too long to sell in most cases on their own, and developers supporting this evolution are fools, almost attempting to doom themselves in ten years, while making tiny, insignificant gains on expensive games now.  Idiots, I say.

[Kairon]

Just want to say, I'm doing my part in supporting third parties. Thanks to the Wii, a lot of games that I wouldn't have given a second touch before are now suddenly new and appealing. "hit-minded" gamers may miss it, but I can't be more excited, what with games I've been DREAMING about everywhere, like a Fireman game, a console "tycoon" game, a sci-fi version of Gauntlet (Alien Syndrome), and a vocabulary training game. I feel like third parties really have the most unexplored surprises to give us with the Wii, in creativity, in style, in taste, in scale, in ambition, in interaction, in everything.

Oh sure, I'm a Nintendo fanboi, but Nintendo's a known commodity. Third parties, thanks to the innovation engendered by the Wii and DS, are a vast horizon of the unexpected. I can't wait to buy more unique games... and can't wait for when bigger third parties get some sense knocked into them as well.

[denjet78]

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Originally posted by: thatguy
When you get into that, you see one of the bigger problems in the industry.  What would happen to video games if the Playstations and Xboxes evolved into television-mounted media centers?  If they lost their synonymies with video games?  Anyone can see that this is the path Sony and MS want to take, but honestly, I think you'd have to be a fool of a developer to support something like that.  Eventually, video games would become PC games, and sales would drop to similar levels as PC games face - No one wants to have to upgrade their equipment every one or two years to play the newest games, so the best sellers are games several years old:  StarCraft, Myst, Doom, face it, PC games take too long to sell in most cases on their own, and developers supporting this evolution are fools, almost attempting to doom themselves in ten years, while making tiny, insignificant gains on expensive games now.  Idiots, I say.

Crazy PlayStation guy who doesn't work for Sony anymore basically said that the only reason the PSX was even made was because this is exactly what Sony was aiming for. They wanted to build up a user base of customers who are willing to buy little boxes that sit next to their TVs that they could later infiltrate with other technologies and then take over the world.

I wonder when everyone else is going to figure that out. I mean, the guy actually came right out and said it but people still act like Sony is god's gift to video games. Eventually though they're going to drop gaming like a hot potato, both Sony and MS. They really don't care at all. It's just an easy way to get little electronics boxes into people's living rooms without them noticing.  

[that Baby guy]

Sony and Microsoft have both said it all along.  Really, if they would just go right out and do it, it would work much better than trying to subversively taking over the living room.

[Chozo Ghost]

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Originally posted by: IceCold
I'm with you denjet - no matter what Nintendo does 3rd parties will always find an excuse not to support the Wii.. that's just the way it is. Hell, the DS still isn't getting the support it deserves for selling 40+ million consoles in only 2 and a half years.

I think I finally understand the reason for that. I think the reason many 3rd parties are reluctant to put games on Nintendo's consoles is for purely egotistical reasons. I think they really resent the fact that Nintendo's first party games consistently outsell their own games on Nintendo's hardware, so they seem to prefer to release games for the competition instead because even though their games sell far less than they would on Nintendo's systems, they find that here they are the big fish in a little pond...

And it is really stupid because the point of being a business is making money, but it seems like they'd rather be the top dog on a Sony system than to make buckets of cash and have to compete with Nintendo's games. But some other companies which have actually tried, like Square-Enix (for example), have proven that it is possible for a 3rd party to top the DS charts if they really try. It seems like some 3rd parties just don't want to try, so they throw out crap games which unsurprisingly do poorly, and then they whine that it is all Nintendo's fault, even though these crap games consistently perform better on Nintendo hardware than something like the PSP.

[denjet78]

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Originally posted by: thatguy
Sony and Microsoft have both said it all along.  Really, if they would just go right out and do it, it would work much better than trying to subversively taking over the living room.

It's strange though, no one seems to believe it. And at the beginning MS was still playing nice. Remember how the XBox was designed by gamers for gamers?

How can people still be stupid enough to fall for marketing garbage like that?

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: thatguy
Sony and Microsoft have both said it all along.  Really, if they would just go right out and do it, it would work much better than trying to subversively taking over the living room.

It's strange though, no one seems to believe it. And at the beginning MS was still playing nice. Remember how the XBox was designed by gamers for gamers?

How can people still be stupid enough to fall for marketing garbage like that?

I love my Xbox 360 and the games, so in my mind it was built for gamers!

[Kairon]

The XBox was really designed BY gamers I think too. I really believe that for all the danger that resonates in MS' move, their games division is run by people who actually care about or are actually attentive to "games." Should they win though, we'll see how long that lasts.