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The sad truth about Oregon
« on: June 03, 2007, 08:15:04 PM »
In Southern Oregon, most of our libraries have closed. We didn't have the funding for them, so they are gone. I'd love to get into the nitty gritty of it, but Oregon is a messed up place for government spending anyway, and we need some restructuring all told. I'm tired of our local government holding a gun to our head with new taxes so we can keep the things we were supposedly already paying for.

Anyone who lives in Oregon, please listen to me. Make efforts to promote a sales tax around here. We need one. Badly. We also need a reduction in income tax to go with it. Under the current system, if unemployment in Oregon goes up, we lose most of our funding - this is what happened when our economy got shot in the hip in 2003-04, and schools were threatened to be closed (just a few days were shaved off in the end, and when the taxpayers voted down extra taxes for the freaking public schools we already pay for, our legislators magically found some money lying around that provided our schools the funding they needed).

Right now, illegal immigrants, the homeless, and the unemployed do not pay taxes in Oregon, but they do provide food (somehow) to themselves and sometimes to their large families. The money's coming from somewhere, either illegal jobs or panhandling (or welfare, which can't be taxed). These people need to start paying taxes. Those who make money need to be taxed only if they use it - saving money shouldn't be a taxable offense. So let's reduce income taxes (a lot) and promote the damn sales tax that every other state already has. Do not vote Yes for a sales tax unless the income taxes are going down at the same time.

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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 08:30:37 PM »
I live in California, and it is a California FACT that people in Oregon don't/can't read. So what do you need libraries for?

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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2007, 08:59:04 PM »
Just kick all the II's out and enforce a one-child policy. and how can you even think about taxing the homeless, that won't help at all
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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2007, 09:09:59 PM »
They buy stuff. One of our ritzy tourist towns has homeless people who make more money than me (they live in hotels too).
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2007, 09:16:28 PM »
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In Southern Oregon, most of our libraries have closed. We didn't have the funding for them, so they are gone. I'd love to get into the nitty gritty of it, but Oregon is a messed up place for government spending anyway, and we need some restructuring all told. I'm tired of our local government holding a gun to our head with new taxes so we can keep the things we were supposedly already paying for.

Anyone who lives in Oregon, please listen to me. Make efforts to promote a sales tax around here. We need one. Badly. We also need a reduction in income tax to go with it. Under the current system, if unemployment in Oregon goes up, we lose most of our funding - this is what happened when our economy got shot in the hip in 2003-04, and schools were threatened to be closed (just a few days were shaved off in the end, and when the taxpayers voted down extra taxes for the freaking public schools we already pay for, our legislators magically found some money lying around that provided our schools the funding they needed).

Right now, illegal immigrants, the homeless, and the unemployed do not pay taxes in Oregon, but they do provide food (somehow) to themselves and sometimes to their large families. The money's coming from somewhere, either illegal jobs or panhandling (or welfare, which can't be taxed). These people need to start paying taxes. Those who make money need to be taxed only if they use it - saving money shouldn't be a taxable offense. So let's reduce income taxes (a lot) and promote the damn sales tax that every other state already has. Do not vote Yes for a sales tax unless the income taxes are going down at the same time.

In the meantime, I'm eating raw cookie dough and gaining weight by the minute.


Well in Washington they have figured out other ways to gut the tax payer, but I do think a sales tax is the best solution. Personally I would rather abolish the IRS and go with a federal sales tax system to eliminate all the corruption and confusion that goes on with the current system.
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2007, 09:24:55 PM »
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They buy stuff. One of our ritzy tourist towns has homeless people who make more money than me (they live in hotels too).

I was gonna link a scene from "Don't be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood", but I couldn't find the clip where the bum jumps in his Mercedes and drives away.

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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2007, 09:36:39 PM »
they are homeless but live in hotels... somethings fishy
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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 04:03:06 AM »
I live in Tennesse, soon to move to California.  Trust me when I say that a Sales tax only system is terrible.  Its not stable and unless you can really drive a lot of tourists it doesn't work out.  Here in Tennessee we have had budget cuts every year since about the mid 90's it seems.  I'm surprised there are still schools here.  People don't want even a little income tax that would help even things out.  You need a good mix plain and simple.
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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 05:11:15 AM »
Anyone who asks for a sales tax has likely never lived under one.  Living in Canada where I'm sure they're working on a breathing tax any day now I've learned that higher taxes or more taxes don't help sh!t if the government spends the tax dollars inefficiently.  It's never about how much money comes in but rather what is done with it.  More tax money just gives governments more to flush down the toilet.

Though in theory I would prefer sales tax to income tax.  I just know in reality once a new tax in introduced it gives the government the option to raise both of them.  One government might lower income tax and balance it with a sales tax but then a new government may get elected that may remove that balancing and keep the sales tax because it's already established.

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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 05:14:15 AM »
I agree.  It really matters how efficiently it is spent as well.
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 05:31:33 AM »
True true. The problem in Oregon is that our legislators are so politically divided that the spending plans are half-assed and incomplete and the bills they pass are drastically neutered. Our money gets stuck in the middle, spent on programs the two parties can agree on, meaning the ones that don't matter.
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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 05:41:59 AM »
Political conversation?  Eh?

The faulty part of this post is that it has too much focus on raising taxes and not so much on cutting spending. IMHO, of course.
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 05:56:19 AM »
They cut spending on the libraries.  Weren't you paying attention?  

In local (to me) news, we were going to get a new state of the art library built several years ago, but then it turned out that *gasp* some rich land developer was going to get incrementally richer as a result, and *gasp* he knew people on the city council!  Can you imagine?  A bigshot land developer who knows people on the city council?  I bet that never happens in places like OR-uh-gun and Warshington.  That, and every old fogey in this town votes against anything that might increase property taxes (which would have paid for the new library) even though their property taxes have been locked ever since they became old fogeys.

Is complaining about local government taboo here, too, even though it's hard for it to be as incisive and inflammatory when none of us live near each other?  

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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 08:13:48 AM »
People still go to libraries? That is news to me!
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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2007, 08:54:51 AM »
LOL, Oregon.

Here in Spokane we have our own problems. Like crime and police.

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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
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LOL, Oregon.

Here in Spokane we have our own problems. Like crime and police.

Because the crime can't keep the police in check

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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2007, 10:29:26 AM »
Well, I live in Pennsylvania, so I can't really comment.
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2007, 10:38:41 AM »
This is why I live in Illinois, where our governor doesn't worry about silly things like managing the budget.  Instead, he throws money away trying to ban the sale of violent video games to children.
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2007, 10:42:44 AM »
Oh, let's not talk about our wonderful Governor.  gah.  I guess he's a step up from the last one... but not by much...
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2007, 11:12:19 AM »
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Here in Spokane we have our own problems. Like crime and police.
Because the crime can't keep the police in check


Tell me about it! If only the crime could get organized...

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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2007, 11:38:32 AM »
I live in NY.  Everything is taxed here.
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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2007, 11:52:03 AM »
Is the crime taxed?
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2007, 04:37:08 PM »
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People still go to libraries? That is news to me!

Some people are stuck in the past, and haven't accepted the fact that books are as dead as long single-player video games.  
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RE:The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2007, 03:20:21 AM »
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Here in Spokane we have our own problems. Like crime and police.
Because the crime can't keep the police in check


Tell me about it! If only the crime could get organized...


Use the Videogame training that I keep hearing about in the news to organize your syndicate and dominate Spokane.
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RE: The sad truth about Oregon
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2007, 05:04:55 AM »
"Some people are stuck in the past, and haven't accepted the fact that books are as dead as long single-player video games."

In other words anything that requires effort is going to become unpopular if it isn't already.