Topic: FFCC: The Crystal Bearers

[UltimatePartyBear]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
"'m happy that they got rid of the Precious Moments chibi look from the first game (And CB trailer). The game looks a lot more Final Fantasy than the first one did"

I have to agree, the chibi look of the first on was kind of a turn off as it didn't look like an actual "Final Fantasy" game, and instead something they threw together for some kiddee console with the Final Fantasy name attached to increase awareness. I wasn't really looking forward to FFCC:CB before, but now its definately on my 'watch' list.

It looked a whole lot like FF IX, actually.  I think 90% of the problem with the game's look was the onion-headed, baby-faced, weak-looking dwarf wannabes.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I played about 1/3 of the way through SoA, but I could only play about 20minutes of the 1st CC.
The multiplayer requirements were too much for me, and I quickly lost interest after playing with someone that already knew where all the good stuff was. I felt like I was being led around on a chain picking up all the scraps, which is what was happening.

[Terranigma Freak]

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Yeah, logic that you don't seem to be getting. "Never been done before" does NOT always win out over "Been done before" especially when the game that's employing themes that have been done before seems to be doing it very well while adding its own personal touch. In my opinion, that's the case with Opoona and Crystal Bearers. And it would only take you a few minutes to browse a few websites and see which game most people would rather play if you think I'm pulling this out of my ass just to be difficult.

Not once did I say Opoona would win over FF. FF is a huge established franchise with millions of mindless drones as it's fanbase, of course more people are looking forward to it. How does that have anything to do with art style?

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And does that change the fact that my original point really didn't have much to do with the damn airships, but rather the overall feel of the game? Jeez...

And what overall feel is that? Not once did the footage give me a different feel than watching any of the other FF footage on any of the other systems.

[Pittbboi]

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Not once did I say Opoona would win over FF. FF is a huge established franchise with millions of mindless drones as it's fanbase, of course more people are looking forward to it. How does that have anything to do with art style?

Oh, so people who would prefer a Final Fantasy game over Opoona are just mindless drones? I think you're losing your point here. It has everything to do with art style. Look at how many people (not just here, but on other forums), are actually surprised and MORE interested in the game thanks to the changes in art style from the original Crystal Chronicles. A lot of people are going gaga over this 30 second clip; that WASN'T the case when the original Crystal Bearers clip was released last E3. So it isn't just a case of blind Square love. This game is vastly different than the game we thought we were getting up until...well, this morning.

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And what overall feel is that? Not once did the footage give me a different feel than watching any of the other FF footage on any of the other systems.

Well buddy, that's you. It's not me, or a lot of other people. Doesn't make us drones though. Face it: a lot of people think this games looks good.

[Smash_Brother]

1. The male character looks more like a guy than most of the previous FF games. Hoorah!

2. Fighting engine looks like the KH engine (for the one second of combat).

I might actually pick this game up, since it doesn't look like a turn-based RPG and I won't feel all confused by the male lead character.

[Terranigma Freak]

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi

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Not once did I say Opoona would win over FF. FF is a huge established franchise with millions of mindless drones as it's fanbase, of course more people are looking forward to it. How does that have anything to do with art style?

Oh, so people who would prefer a Final Fantasy game over Opoona are just mindless drones? I think you're losing your point here. It has everything to do with art style. Look at how many people (not just here, but on other forums), are actually surprised and MORE interested in the game thanks to the changes in art style from the original Crystal Chronicles. A lot of people are going gaga over this 30 second clip; that WASN'T the case when the original Crystal Bearers clip was released last E3. So it isn't just a case of blind Square love. This game is vastly different than the game we thought we were getting up until...well, this morning.

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And what overall feel is that? Not once did the footage give me a different feel than watching any of the other FF footage on any of the other systems.

Well buddy, that's you. It's not me, or a lot of other people. Doesn't make us drones though. Face it: a lot of people think this games looks good.

Why don't you look around at other boards and see the mixed reactions instead of hanging around FF centeric forums. Even gamefaqs has people yawning with excitement.  

[Pittbboi]

Does this look like a FF centric forum to you? Guess what, neither are any of the other sites I'm following this on. Oh, but since I'm not following this over at Gamefaqs...

[Kairon]

I'm not going to get into the Terranigma vs Pittboi Opoona vs FF:CC:CB discussion, except to say that I'm gonna get BOTH games, and that I'm sorta allergic to apples.

But GOD! That trailer looked AWESOME! And he's a super hero! He like.. FLIES! IN THE SKY! Like Neo! (sorta hate the music though, blagh typical stuff) The graphics/visuals/art all look top notch, like there was ACTUAL EFFORT put into the game, and that makes the hardcore gamer in me happy.

Also, I agree that the 2 seconds of battle gameplay look still action-y and bear a passing resemblance to kingdom hearts... so that's good. And the guy REALLY DOES look more masculine than ANY FF character for the past N games.

As for art style, I DID like the first CC, but I think in the end that that game reached too far and lost a basic cohesiveness and integrity. This game looks to take more of an artistically narrative stand, and for that I'm grateful. Plus the guy actually looks like a guy, he can fly, and he messes with his goggles for the last 5 seconds of the trailer.  

[Pittbboi]

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I'm not going to get into the Terranigma vs Pittboi Opoona vs FF:CC:CB discussion,

I'm not trying to be in it either! Opoona and FF:CC:CB is a terrible comparison to make; as said earlier, apples and oranges. But he won't let up!

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As for art style, I DID like the first CC, but I think in the end that that game reached too far and lost a basic cohesiveness and integrity.

This is agree with completely.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi I'm following this over at Gamefaqs...

Don't do that to yourself.

[Ceric]

What does Opoona stand for, and a link if possible?

[Adrock]

1. Is the main character flying or falling? To me, it looks like he's falling.

2. If there's no multiplayer, I kind of feel like they should change the title because it's a little misleading. Call it simply, "The Crystal Bearers" or if Final Fantasy is needed to sell the game, might I suggest: Final Fantasy Saga (since Adventure and Legend were already taken).

3. I hope it has a competent story. I was looking forward to the multiplayer of this game and if it was a fun multiplayer game, plot becomes almost a non-issue (like Secret of Mana) just as long as my brother and I can play. However, if they nixed multiplayer or are focusing more on single-player, I would like an engaging plot with twists and turns.

4. The trailer shows one city which may be the central hub of the game. Perhaps you meet people who send you on quests and you adventure through the surrounding lands and skies. That's okay in a multiplayer game. However, for a full scale single player RPG, that might be a problem. A little too reminiscent of Zelda, but then again, this is no Zelda.

5. There isn't a single sword in that trailer.

The trailer is pretty cool. For what it is, I think a lot of people are making way too huge a deal out of it (see: gonintendo) since they showed like 4 seconds of gameplay. I'm glad we finally have something on this title. It has certainly piqued my interests.

[KDR_11k]

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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
I see no pixel shaders being used; I see no environment bump-mapping; I don't see any kind of bump/normal mapping; I don't see surface scattering, bloom, or HDR of any kind; and I sure as hell didn't see any smooth self-shadows or any kind of dynamic shadowing techniques being used.

Buy a PS3 then, the Wii can't do that.

[Crimm]

Someone had asked what Opoona was.  It's an RPG for the Wii from Koei.  Trailer

I really find it interesting that only one character was shown the entire trailer.  I know it was only about 12 seconds of non-text screens, but still.  CC was all about the multiplayer, so why isn't it being featured prominently here?

[Adrock]

There were 2, STUPID!!!! About 17 seconds into the trailer (the second screen after the "Final Fantasy" title card with the crystal) they show another character. STUPID!

Seriously, I'm sure that character is important if Square-Enix included him (?) in the trailer. And we don't really know what's become of multiplayer. The focus seems to be on making a competent single-player game.

[Pittbboi]

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1. Is the main character flying or falling? To me, it looks like he's falling.

I think he is falling at the very beginning of the trailer when he's holding the big gun. But after the scene where he's pwned by the dragon's tail that orb of energy appears around his left hand and he shoots forward, so I definitely think he's flying then.

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2. If there's no multiplayer, I kind of feel like they should change the title because it's a little misleading. Call it simply, "The Crystal Bearers" or if Final Fantasy is needed to sell the game, might I suggest: Final Fantasy Saga (since Adventure and Legend were already taken).

Well, I dunno...the first Crystal Chronicles is just one game, so it's not exactly breaking pattern by going in a different direction with the next iteration. Actually, looking at this game, I can't really find very much in common with the first game, everything about them seems totally different...which sort of leads me to believe that Square is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the de facto Final Fantasy series for Nintendo consoles (in which case, Sony can keep the numbered series for all I care).

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3. I hope it has a competent story. I was looking forward to the multiplayer of this game and if it was a fun multiplayer game, plot becomes almost a non-issue (like Secret of Mana) just as long as my brother and I can play. However, if they nixed multiplayer or are focusing more on single-player, I would like an engaging plot with twists and turns.

Same here, but I'm not too worried. If it's a single player Square-Enix game, you can pretty much expect it to have an above average, if not exactly original, plot.

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4. The trailer shows one city which may be the central hub of the game. Perhaps you meet people who send you on quests and you adventure through the surrounding lands and skies. That's okay in a multiplayer game. However, for a full scale single player RPG, that might be a problem. A little too reminiscent of Zelda, but then again, this is no Zelda.

Rabanastre in FFXII was pretty much a hub city, but there were still plenty of areas and locations to explore. Hopefully, that's the case, or maybe there are a bunch of areas that all hold equal importance that we just don't know about yet.

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5. There isn't a single sword in that trailer.

Yeah, that's unfortunate. I know that the game is going to focus on this one character, but part of me is still hoping that there's still some sort of party situation in the game (most likely involving the guy with the bandanna seen at the beginning of the trailer).  

[Ceric]

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Originally posted by: Crimm
Someone had asked what Opoona was.  It's an RPG for the Wii from Koei.  Trailer

I really find it interesting that only one character was shown the entire trailer.  I know it was only about 12 seconds of non-text screens, but still.  CC was all about the multiplayer, so why isn't it being featured prominently here?

Ok, I have seen that before.  I just for the life of me couldn't connect the two.

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I still hope that it will allow you to add up to four people on the fly and have them take part in the story.

[NWR_pap64]

I for one was impressed with the trailer, mainly because it reminded me of the RPG trailers their would release during the N64 and GC eras. Its the type of trailer fanboys would go nuts over, and for once the game is coming to a Nintendo console.

[Adrock]

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Pittiboi wrote:
I think he is falling at the very beginning of the trailer when he's holding the big gun. But after the scene where he's pwned by the dragon's tail that orb of energy appears around his left hand and he shoots forward, so I definitely think he's flying then.

I considered that, but it could just be the camera. It doesn't follow him so it looks like he's shooting forward. The purple energy ball seems to recoil him backwards a little before he starts falling again.

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Well, I dunno...the first Crystal Chronicles is just one game, so it's not exactly breaking pattern by going in a different direction with the next iteration. Actually, looking at this game, I can't really find very much in common with the first game, everything about them seems totally different...which sort of leads me to believe that Square is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the de facto Final Fantasy series for Nintendo consoles

The only problem with that theory is that Ring of Fates very much follows the pattern of the original.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi Well, I dunno...the first Crystal Chronicles is just one game, so it's not exactly breaking pattern by going in a different direction with the next iteration. Actually, looking at this game, I can't really find very much in common with the first game, everything about them seems totally different...which sort of leads me to believe that Square is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the de facto Final Fantasy series for Nintendo consoles (in which case, Sony can keep the numbered series for all I care).

Anyone want to bet against me when I say that this game will outsell FF13?

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi Well, I dunno...the first Crystal Chronicles is just one game, so it's not exactly breaking pattern by going in a different direction with the next iteration. Actually, looking at this game, I can't really find very much in common with the first game, everything about them seems totally different...which sort of leads me to believe that Square is setting up Crystal Chronicles to be the de facto Final Fantasy series for Nintendo consoles (in which case, Sony can keep the numbered series for all I care).

Anyone want to bet against me when I say that this game will outsell FF13?

I'm scared.

[Artimus]

The trailer LOOKS gorgeous.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm scared.

Hold me.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm scared.

Hold me.

/holds

[Adrock]

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Anyone want to bet against me when I say that this game will outsell FF13?

I'll take that bet.

By the time FF13 comes out sometime after March 2008, PS3 will drop in price................. and Square-Enix will probably have announced a port to 360.

Smash_Brother, you're about to get served.