Author Topic: SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL - The New Megathread (Read 456407 times)

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1100 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:30:24 AM »

I'm fairly sure the "rule broken" is pretty much implied to be Mario helping Kirby...At least, that's what the screens hint at...

(Edit: And the text...

Fighting is the sole reason for their existence...Being turned back into a trophy, being unable to fight, is much like death...Those are the rules of this world.)

mantidor · « **Reply #1101 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:32:35 AM »

The weird robot thing is surrounded by what it looks like the dark thing in Metroid Prime Echoes.

EDIT: Also this looks like an awesome trailer, I hope they show it soon.

Mashiro · « **Reply #1102 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:39:34 AM »

Yeah I agree mantidor, love Mario's facial expression in those screens, this story could prove to be quite epic!

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #1103 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:41:56 AM »

I think the placement of the text and screens suggests that Mario helping Kirby isn't breaking the rules at all. "Those are the rules of this world" comes after that act, and the line about breaking rules says "When someone...or something...breaks those rules." If we already knew who broke the rules, there'd be no need for the corny "or something" bit.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1104 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:45:34 AM »

Mario looks darker and edgier in these pictures than I've ever seen him. Frankly, I like it.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1105 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:57:16 AM »

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I think the placement of the text and screens suggests that Mario helping Kirby isn't breaking the rules at all. "Those are the rules of this world" comes after that act, and the line about breaking rules says "When someone...or something...breaks those rules." If we already knew who broke the rules, there'd be no need for the corny "or something" bit.

Then what's the point of Mario turning Kirby back into his normal self from the trophy? What's the point of the "Being turned back into a trophy, being unable to fight, is much like death" line at all?

And this line doesn't seem to me to be very fitting for a Melee-esque happy-go-lucky "kid playing with figurines" storyline..."They know nothing but fighting. Fighting is the sole reason for their existence." Frankly, it's pretty depressing!

Louieturkey · « **Reply #1106 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:58:15 AM »

Do you see the emblem on the creature's chest? It's a backwards red pacman symbol.

Pacman confirmed for SSBB!!

mantidor · « **Reply #1107 on:** July 20, 2007, 06:04:11 AM »

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I think the placement of the text and screens suggests that Mario helping Kirby isn't breaking the rules at all. "Those are the rules of this world" comes after that act, and the line about breaking rules says "When someone...or something...breaks those rules." If we already knew who broke the rules, there'd be no need for the corny "or something" bit.

Then what's the point of Mario turning Kirby back into his normal self from the trophy? What's the point of the "Being turned back into a trophy, being unable to fight, is much like death" line at all?

And this line doesn't seem to me to be very fitting for a Melee-esque happy-go-lucky "kid playing with figurines" storyline..."They know nothing but fighting. Fighting is the sole reason for their existence." Frankly, it's pretty depressing!

Depressing and Smash does not compute. thats why I think this is a hint of a new gameplay mechanic, a co-op of some sort or something.... I don't know, anything but some "story".

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1108 on:** July 20, 2007, 06:05:38 AM »

I'm not the one who wrote that line; Sakurai did!

Pittbboi · « **Reply #1109 on:** July 20, 2007, 08:50:19 AM »

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"Look at the clouds in that one screen...There's faces in them."

To be honest, I think you are looking too hard into things... =D

Or am I?

Ganondorf (though honestly a little hard to make out...until you realize that it's his side profile with him looking to his right...).

Master Hand (A little hard to make out, too, but I can definitely see it)

Then that's DEFINITELY Bowser

And that reptilian face could only belong to Ridley at the far end.

WalkingTheCow · « **Reply #1110 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:10:53 AM »

I'm unsure about the Master Hand being in there but the other three are certainly there.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #1111 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:11:45 AM »

Well, since you originally said "from left," I spent a long time trying to figure out how you were seeing anything in those clouds that looked like Bowser and Ridley, or how you saw Ganondorf in that cloud on the right. I eventually saw Ridley, but nowhere near where you're claiming to see him there. That should demonstrate how subjective this is.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1112 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:30:09 AM »

Bill:

Here is how I read it.

"In This World Trophies fight. They know nothing but fighting. That is their sole reason for existence."

Pictures show Mario and Kirby turn from trophies into combatants. Pretty typical story that has been given since Melee really. But why is it their sole purpose? I think it is simply because they are trophies, because they are toys. They are not real. It is not Mario turning from a trophy into a fighter. It is a statue of Mario fighting.

"Being turned back into a trophy, being unable to fight, is much life death"

Pictures show Mario bringing Kirby back to life. I think this is a respect and understanding of their roles. They are gladiators...they don't fight out of anger towards eachother or hate, but because that is what they do. Kirby being brought back to life is part of the nature of things so they can fight again. I believe this is supported by the next line:

"These are the rules of this world."

It is placed after Kirby is revived...implying that Mario's actions are within the rules...or that is how I read it.

"But...When Someone or Something...breaks those rules, the world will pay a terrible price.."

Pictures show MetaKnights ship coming in and a really mean looking red storm blowing in. What could that mean? Well I think Mario is realizing something wrong is going on. His heroic sense tells him to be ready. But, I would not say he is in the wrong. He doesn't have that rightgious look of a defiant hero.

Then the money shot. Something happening to a new character...but what? Is it dark matter corrupting them? Are they creating the purple energy? Nobody knows, but it is certain the new character is either being attacked by the new threat, or apart of the new threat.

I don't see this story being a story or defiant rebellion by the Trophy Mascots for freedom. I see it as a battle for their world, a fight for their way of existence, for their life.

Pittbboi · « **Reply #1113 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:33:01 AM »

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Well, since you originally said "from left," I spent a long time trying to figure out how you were seeing anything in those clouds that looked like Bowser and Ridley, or how you saw Ganondorf in that cloud on the right. I eventually saw Ridley, but nowhere near where you're claiming to see him there. That should demonstrate how subjective this is.

Sorry about that, it was late when I typed that up. Anyway, I don't think it's subjective really...when you actually do see them. For example, Ganondorf took my the longest to make out, but once I did see him I realized that there was NO way that was coincidence...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1114 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:38:24 AM »

So what are the rules being broken? Is this force here to stop them from fighting? Or to keep them from becoming trophies? If the update were merely pictures I could see where you are going, but the text is far too moody for me to see it...But then again, that's why it's a vague update...I'm hoping for a "Part 2" update on this next week (but watch there be an item update instead... >=|)

Oh, and I just realized another important bit from the text...

"When someone...or something...breaks those rules, the world will pay a terrible price..."

If the one breaking the rules was on the outside, wouldn't it be redundant to say "the world will pay a terrible price"? It's not "the world will be in danger," but "it will pay a price." This phrase is associated with someone doing damage to him or herself...This way, it makes it seem more like the world is punished for one of its' occupants breaking the rules...

Pittbboi · « **Reply #1115 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:44:16 AM »

I don't think it's a new outside force. If that were the case why would it need Meta Knight's ship, and why would the clouds be shaped like they are? I think they might be going for a good vs. evil plot in Brawl--with all the video game villains getting together to bring about some nefarious scheme and all the good guys rising against them. Notice that the characters fighting are Mario and Kirby, two of Nintendo's most "good" characters.

I'm getting a very weird Kingdom Hearts vibe from all of this. Maybe some big, new evil's in town and their rounding up all the classic baddies to help.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1116 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:48:09 AM »

I guess that could work, too, but Metaknight isn't evil...

mantidor · « **Reply #1117 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:53:08 AM »

you are just fixed on the image, and you fixed me now too, but that doesn't mean anything. Once in a robotics class I had we were talking about image processing and how far we are from emulating what the brain does, the teacher to prove the point showed us a picture of a bunch of dots, we really couldnt see anything, until he said to us what it was, it was a cow, at that moment, we all saw the damn thing! and we just couldn't go back to see the dot mess we were seeing before, all we saw was the cow. The brain is really good at image processing, and will usually fill in the blank parts, sometimes its too good for its own sake, and thus some people see the face of Jesus in a sandwich.

Pittbboi · « **Reply #1118 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:57:25 AM »

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I guess that could work, too, but Metaknight isn't evil...

Yeah, but the Dark Nebula is...

Adrock · « **Reply #1119 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:23:03 AM »

Man, this is the first update I wasn't near a computer to see and it just so happened to be one of the coolest.

I am pleased that there's more of a story this time around, just something to explain why all these characters are fighting one another other than it's just plain cool that they are. They're still trophies, but I actually don't mind as much since they've added a storyline.

I don't have much to say about the plot. That robot thing is stupid looking. I highly doubt he's the final boss. In fact, I'm kind of thinking that it's a placeholder so as not to spoil anything.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1120 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:28:45 AM »

A "placeholder"? What would be the point of having an update of something that won't exist?

Kairon · « **Reply #1121 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:36:57 AM »

I don't think it's a placeholder. And I don't think it's a robot either. That's an evil sandbag. And it's obviously tapping into Adrock's worst fears and nightmares for him to be reacting so negatively towards it.

Oh, and I can see now how it can be interpreted that it's NOT the helping of Kirby that breaks the rules, but instead, the intrusion of Meta Knight (with those suspicious looking clouds).

Ceric · « **Reply #1122 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:53:15 AM »

I don't like the idea of characters actually being good and evil in the Smash world with distinctions. I liked how they were all neutral and you just assumed from their history.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1123 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:04:16 PM »

Well, except for Bowser, considering he was the final boss in Melee's Adventure mode...

Kairon · « **Reply #1124 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:05:56 PM »

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Well, except for Bowser, considering he was the final boss in Melee's Adventure mode...

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Author Topic: SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL - The New Megathread (Read 456407 times)