Topic: SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL - The New Megathread

[Luigi Dude]

Damn that music was amazing, the best of the tunes we've heard so far.  It makes me drool just thinking about how many more tracks we have yet to here.  Of course the thing that I've noticed so far is all the songs have been composed by musicians that had nothing to do with the games.  It seems what Sakurai is doing is having completely different composers work on these tracks to make sure each one has a truly unique feel to it.

Composers of the music in Brawl so far

Smash Bros Melee's Menu 1 theme was composed by Motoi Sakuraba of Golden Sun/Mario Golf & Tennis fame

Yoshi's Story Ending theme was composed by Masafumi Takada of killer7 / GOD HAND fame

Metroids Ridley Fight theme was composed by Yusuke Takahama of Digital Pinball fame

Ocarina of Time Medley was composed by Michiko Naruke of Wild Arms fame

Wow this should be exciting to see who's going to be composing what in the future since it seems like it'll be the people we least expect.



Oh and one last thing I've notice is if this music is all from Ocarina of Time, does this point to Sheik still being in the game?  Since Link, Zelda, and I'd assume Ganondorf are based off of their Twilight Princess counterparts, if Sheiks in the game she'd be the only Ocarina of Time character.  Of course does this also mean Sheik is now separate from Zelda and will be her own character as well, with her own Ocarina of Time stage?

We'll this is a rather tricky question which I have no idea really.  Is Sakurai giving us a hint of things to come, or is this just a red herring that I'm looking too deep into.

[Mashiro]

Thank you for saying that Mario, I wouldn't have checked this early for an update.

What a beautiful and upbeat rendition/remix of the classic OoT music. The sheer production value and polish of this game has me drooling I can't freaking wait for this to come out.

Bravo to everyone working on this game it's going to be a masterpiece.

Edit: Though the Metroid music sample is still my favorite, that remains one of my all time favorite game tracks and I love how the remixed it =D.

[tiamat1990]

My god that Ocarina of Time Medley is AMAZING!!! AMAZING!!! I got so many goose-bumps listening to that. It's so epic and it has this grand feel to it! Especially the second half of that piece. This game is going to blow my mind...I know it.

[Kenology]

"Ocarina [Song of Storms" ~ "Ocarina [Song of Time]" ~ "Ocarina [Saria's Song]" ~ "Ocarina [Zelda's Lullaby]"

I thought that Ocarina of Time arrangement was pretty weak for quite a few reasons:

1).  I'm not a synth whore, but the low quality MIDI samples in this piece really causes it to stand out when compared the high quality samples of the previous three song samples.

2).  I was expecting something a bit more epic - how about a boss battle theme medley or a few of the major heavy hitters from the score?  If I want an Ocarina medley, I can just throw in Hyrule Symphony.

3).  "Ocarina [Song of Storms]" was a bit off in two key places.

I'm mainly disappointed by with reason #2, but I'll get over.  Plus, they really need to polish up that synth, maybe throw an orchestra behind it - which would definitely redeem it.

*sigh*  I really wanted to hear what Sakuraba, Tsujiyoko, Shimomura, or Mitsuda would've done with Kondo's masterpieces.  Hopefully one of 'em will still get the chance.  

[Ceric]

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All I want is to not see Daisy as a playable character, that's all I want mwuahahahahahahahahaha...ha.

And that was the last we heard from the true Caliban.  Welcome Caliban Drone.

Music needs more Tuba...

[Spak-Spang]

This music is beautiful and amazing.  It reminded me of Video Games Live in that it seemlessly moves from one memorable tune to another, taking you on a musical journey through the world of Hyrule.  

As for mentioning Shiek and Zelda.  Again, I say this simply...the Princess Zelda model is based on the Twilight Princess model, because it is the most detailed and last version of Zelda we got.  But even then, it isn't Zelda in her cloak hiding.  It is Zelda in a redesigned wardrobe that she has worn in almost every single Zelda game.

Zelda is even described as having the same weakness and strengths she had from Melee, which probably means Shiek is there to balance her out.  I no doubt Shiek is in the game.  I am 100% confident that She will be tied as a part of Zelda again.  

And I am 100% this game will have the greatest soundtrack of any game created.


Kenology:  You do realize that the sample was not the entire composition, and an epic boss Meledy may actually still be a part of it don't you?  We are only getting very short samples of the music which are probably 3-4 minutes long.

[blackfootsteps]

Thanks for clearing that up Spak, I was about to ask about that issue.

In between the Song of Storms and Song of Time Epona's song gets a guernsey, unless I'm hearing things.

[Darkheart]

I thought Sakurai said a long time ago that this time around they were getting a full orchestra to do the soundtrack, is this true?  

[mantidor]

I'm not sure, but these music updates are just samples or are they final? I remember Sakurai said the music was going to be orchestrated, right? the first trailer didn't have this synthesized music...because I have the bad hunch they are going to pull a TP here again.

 

[Caliban]

I think that this OoT Medley is quite corny, it doesn't have any oomph, but I guess it doesn't matter because I have yet to listen to it from the game.

[Pale]

Obviously they aren't worried about story if they are releasing an ocarina of time medley.

[Tanookisuit]

CRAP, you guys!  I've been too busy to finish Twilight Princess, and you guys are posting SPOILERS left and right!  PLEASE BLACK THAT STUFF OUT!  

[Spak-Spang]

I think it was assumed that it would be completely orchestrated after listening to the first trailer music created.  But the reality is that bringing an Orchestra to Japan to create all the music in the game is expensive, very expensive and time consuming.  It was probably much cheaper for Nintendo to go to all these famous Japanese gaming composers to put their spin on classic Nintendo arrangements instead of getting a full orchestra.

It also goes to show why you shouldn't take everything stated previously as gospel.  For instance, the idea that online Brawl play is going to be limited or nonexistent.  We don't know how true that is...and there is a possibility that Nintendo has worked around that.  

Or the idea that there will be only 1-2 other 3rd party characters in Brawl because the character list is set.  That could have changed as well.  We will never know until the game is out.  

That is why I am trying not to assume anything until we have official word...and even that can be taken with a grain of salt until the game is out.

[Deguello]

Kenolguy, your avatar is too big.  100x100 please

[UltimatePartyBear]

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I think it was assumed that it would be completely orchestrated after listening to the first trailer music created.  But the reality is that bringing an Orchestra to Japan to create all the music in the game is expensive, very expensive and time consuming.  It was probably much cheaper for Nintendo to go to all these famous Japanese gaming composers to put their spin on classic Nintendo arrangements instead of getting a full orchestra.

You don't think they have orchestras in Japan?  I'm pretty sure they have more than J-pop and shamisens over there.

I love the composition, but I'm disappointed in the quality of the instruments, too, and I hope it's a work in progress.  There's no reason to assume it's not, as far away as the game's release is.

[Spak-Spang]

No they have orchestras.  They are just expensive to hire.  I remember reading an article that stated it is cheaper to higher and fly in an orchestra from another country than to use Japanese orchestras.

Now you add to the fact that you still have to create a composition for the orchestra to play, meaning hiring a good composer then have that orchestra play around 12-20 musical numbers recorded for a game and it is quite expensive.

[mantidor]

I think Nintendo is certainly in the position to do the whole orchestration for this game, if they don't do it they are way too greedy, the have the physical space in the new disks, the budget, the will to do it, it would suck if they end up dissapointing us because this is probably the only Nintendo game that will have this.

[Adrock]

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Spak-Spang wrote:
As for mentioning Shiek and Zelda. Again, I say this simply...the Princess Zelda model is based on the Twilight Princess model, because it is the most detailed and last version of Zelda we got. But even then, it isn't Zelda in her cloak hiding. It is Zelda in a redesigned wardrobe that she has worn in almost every single Zelda game.

The Smash series basically throws canon right out the window. That said, I don't think it really matters if Twilight Princess Zelda transforms into Sheik (And I'd love for Zelda's alt costume to be her cloak). However, because I like the art direction of TP, if Zelda does transform into Shiek in this game, I'd like to see Sheik redesigned.

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Zelda is even described as having the same weakness and strengths she had from Melee, which probably means Shiek is there to balance her out. I no doubt Shiek is in the game. I am 100% confident that She will be tied as a part of Zelda again.

Probably though I wouldn't mind if they were separated. Sheik didn't really balance Zelda, she was more of a substitute. Zelda was a great character... except against insanely fast characters like Fox and Marth. To balance Zelda out, her magic would have to be more useful. Din's Fire was too slow, too hard to hit, and only stuns for a second or 2 (which is almost always not long enough). Nayru's Love was so weak especially compared to Fox's reflector. Farore's Wind was okay (it'll take too long to explain how the cons slightly outweigh the pros). Giving her the sword would also help by giving her longer reach and faster attacks.

[mantidor]

Oh wait, I haven't seen that Zelda update! she looks great, but I find the TP model nicer, this one has a different smaller face... oh well, no biggie.

What if her alter-ego is not sheik but her in her twilight robe? maybe she was dressed up like sheik behind that, I don't know, Smash Bros is rarely consistent so I think is very possible they end up with something like that.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Zelda should transform into an Octorok.

[Pittbboi]

Luigi Dude

Ahem...*opens Can-O-Worms*

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if Sheiks in the game he'd be the only Ocarina of Time character.

Fixed.


Anyway, yeah, I hope this means Sheik is still in the game. It is a pretty good indication. I don't think it means that Sheik is going to be a separate character though. There really wouldn't be enough there to make a Sheik themed level. If anything this song will probably be for a Zelda montage stage, or maybe the victory tune for someone...

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o balance Zelda out, her magic would have to be more useful. Din's Fire was too slow, too hard to hit, and only stuns for a second or 2 (which is almost always not long enough). Nayru's Love was so weak especially compared to Fox's reflector.

BLASPHEMY  

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I think it was assumed that it would be completely orchestrated after listening to the first trailer music created.  But the reality is that bringing an Orchestra to Japan to create all the music in the game is expensive, very expensive and time consuming.  It was probably much cheaper for Nintendo to go to all these famous Japanese gaming composers to put their spin on classic Nintendo arrangements instead of getting a full orchestra.

It also goes to show why you shouldn't take everything stated previously as gospel.  For instance, the idea that online Brawl play is going to be limited or nonexistent.  We don't know how true that is...and there is a possibility that Nintendo has worked around that.  

Or the idea that there will be only 1-2 other 3rd party characters in Brawl because the character list is set.  That could have changed as well.  We will never know until the game is out.  

That is why I am trying not to assume anything until we have official word...and even that can be taken with a grain of salt until the game is out.

You forgot to mention that when Brawl was announced Sakurai made a big deal about how the game will be using the GC controller and how he believed that while the Wiimote was a neat controller he felt that Brawl was not the right game to use it. Now the game will feature 4 control options, one of them being just the Wiimote.

[Ceric]

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Zelda should transform into an Octorok.

A blue Octorok at that so she'll be tougher...

[Spak-Spang]

Zelda = Female.
Zelda = Shiek

Therefore...

Shiek = Female

Nowhere in the game did it say Shiek was ever a male...it was always left a mystery, we just thought she was a male because there was no breasts in the character design.

But, since we know the big reveal about who Shiek really is, that means She being Zelda is definitely female.

[Pittbboi]

Maybe Sheik is a female...who has gone through about several months of testosterone treatments.

Oh, and Sheik was referred to as male several times in the game.

(PS. Not trying to seriously argue this age-old topic. Just being an ass )