Topic: Prediction: RE5 will be on the Wii

[IceCold]

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I think remote speaker use should be an option.

It is an option. If you don't want to hear it, then turn it down all the way, and it will come out of your speakers.

There's no harm in including it.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak Do you really want me to list all the other games they're giving to the PS3, 360 and PC?

No, cause I'm nice enough to do it for you.

ANNOUNCED RETAIL GAMES FOR ALL SYSTEMS:

360
Capcom N.A. Team Project [untitled]
Devil May Cry 4
Resident Evil 5

PlayStation 3
Capcom N.A. Team Project [untitled]
Capcom PS3 Action Project [untitled]
Devil May Cry 4
Monster Hunter 3
Resident Evil 5

Wii
Capcom Inafune Project [untitled]
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Sengoku Basara 2 Heroes
Treasure Island Z

PC
Devil May Cry 4
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
Monster Hunter Frontier Online

Now, considering that the Capcom gameday is a good gauge of which projects Capcom is working on right now, the absence of these other games suggests that they're not on the forefront of their development track at this point in time. I'm perfectly aware that gameday is a snapshot and not a timeline.

However, my aforementioned point stands, and each month that passes continues to close the gap between the Wii and 360 worldwide. Do you think that Capcom's decision to push Wii titles to the front isn't intentional?

They're doing what any sensible developer would right now and waiting to see how this pans out, only releasing games that are cheap to develop for: VC games, XBLA games, portable games and Wii games. Why blow $30-50 million developing a PS360 game when the console war is still undecided? Why not wait a bit longer to see if bringing these out for the Wii would result in better sales along with cheaper dev costs?

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You do know that pre-rendered images does exist in 3D, right? They're built on more powerful computers and stored are an image, but for the pre-rendered image to exist in the first place requires it to be built in 3D.

You do know that RE0 and REmake were the only games with models up to par with the graphics of the game and that RE2, RE3 and CV will all need to be redone, right?  

[Smoke39]

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Originally posted by: IceCold

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I think remote speaker use should be an option.

It is an option. If you don't want to hear it, then turn it down all the way, and it will come out of your speakers.

There's no harm in including it.

That's not a harware feature; it's a design choice that has to be implemented in each piece of software.  Go to the internet channel for example and turn off the remote's speaker.  The clicking sound it usually emits when hovering over links doesn't automatically start coming out of your TV speakers.

Anyway, what I was getting at is that the option to use the remote speaker should be provided, as opposed to not utilizing the speaker at all with the assumption that no one would appreciate it.

[IceCold]

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Anyway, what I was getting at is that the option to use the remote speaker should be provided, as opposed to not utilizing the speaker at all with the assumption that no one would appreciate it.

And what I was getting at was that most (all?) games do give that option.

[Smoke39]

Have any FPSs used the speaker for gunshots?  I've only played Red Steel.

[Terranigma Freak]

Smash Brother, your list is hardly complete.

Announced:
Dead Rising 2 (unsure about this one, but it's very probable)
Devil May Cry 4
Resident Evil 5
Super Street Fighter II Turbo: HD Remix (XBLA)
Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix (XBLA)
Talisman (XBLA)
Rocketmen: Axis of Evil (XBLA)

Released:
Dead Rising
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting (XBLA)

PS3:

Devil May Cry 4
Resident Evil 5
Rocketmen
Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix
Talisman

[Smash_Brother]

No, my list is 100% complete for the criteria I'm using.

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ANNOUNCED RETAIL  GAMES FOR ALL SYSTEMS:

Retail games. Retail, as in "you will need to buy it at a store".

All you did was take the same list I found and readd the crappy downloadable games.

And please, don't embarrass yourself by saying in one post that RE4 Wii is a lousy port which doesn't count and in the next try to pass off a game like "Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix" as "support" from Capcom.

As for the released games for the 360, those were in development before the Wii/PS3 were released. I'm not talking about games which Capcom made before the Wii phenomenon happened, I'm talking about what they have announced for the future and what they're working on, and since Capcom's gameday is a decent indicator of what's on the front burner (because it's playable, has media released, etc.), I will again continue to observe that their support for the Wii is better than we had previously expected but also better in COMPARISON to other next gen consoles.

This in turn leads me to believe in the possibility that RE5 is being held back to see how the RE4 port and UC perform on the Wii first.

Sorry, but when a game is allegedly in "development" for a year and seven months but we haven't even seen so much as a new screenshot for it, the company has changed its plans and not told anyone.  

[Terranigma Freak]

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Retail games. Retail, as in "you will need to buy it at a store".

All you did was take the same list I found and readd the crappy downloadable games.

Here's the thing, you're comparing EXCELLENT downloadable games with a crappy spin-off and some new game the may or may not suck. Yes, I can understand that you don't like the downloadable stuff as much as I do, but there's also no denying the RE:UC is getting negative vibes across the board save for IGN. We're comparing enhanced ports of GOOD games vs a single half-assed spin-off (UC).

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And please, don't embarrass yourself by saying in one post that RE4 Wii is a lousy port which doesn't count and in the next try to pass off a game like "Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix" as "support" from Capcom.

RE4 isn't a crappy port, but it is a port. What you completely missed is the fact that Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix requires Capcom to completely redo the graphics. It isn't a simple port of a game that runs just as well on GC. Both games are ports with enhancements no matter how you look at it.

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As for the released games for the 360, those were in development before the Wii/PS3 were released. I'm not talking about games which Capcom made before the Wii phenomenon happened, I'm talking about what they have announced for the future and what they're working on, and since Capcom's gameday is a decent indicator of what's on the front burner (because it's playable, has media released, etc.), I will again continue to observe that their support for the Wii is better than we had previously expected but also better in COMPARISON to other next gen consoles.

Ok, some of the games on 360 were released before Wii, so I'll give you that, but if you use the Capcom Gamer Day as an indication to the future, then I'd say you should keep your expectations low. Remember the Capcom 5 many years ago? How about announcing RE4 PS2 to sabotage the GC's version's sales? Don't tell me announcing a month before launch won't cause people to change their mind about buying it for the GC.

I LOVE to be wrong on this matter, but I've been stung by Capcom and I won't change my view of them until I see something more substantial.  

[Ceric]

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I LOVE to be wrong on this matter, but I've been stung by Capcom and I won't change my view of them until I see something more substantial.

There's the crust of the matter isn't it.  I doubt we be really going at it if Capcom had kept their word last gen.

Anyway, on the speaker thing I want mare granularity on how loud the sounds are, I have mine turn to 1 bar and its still to loud for me and I like have things like the click for links.  Also an ingame option to adjust the volume and turn it off.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
Here's the thing, you're comparing EXCELLENT downloadable games with a crappy spin-off and some new game the may or may not suck. Yes, I can understand that you don't like the downloadable stuff as much as I do, but there's also no denying the RE:UC is getting negative vibes across the board save for IGN. We're comparing enhanced ports of GOOD games vs a single half-assed spin-off (UC).

First of all, "excellent" is entirely subjective, especially if you're talking about Street Fighter and the fact that Capcom isn't even beating a dead horse anymore. There isn't even meat left. They're just pounding the grease stain further into the dirt now.

Second, I'm comparing all of Capcom's support, RE4 Wii, UC and Treasure Island.

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RE4 isn't a crappy port, but it is a port. What you completely missed is the fact that Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Remix requires Capcom to completely redo the graphics. It isn't a simple port of a game that runs just as well on GC. Both games are ports with enhancements no matter how you look at it.

But one of them is substantially cheaper to develop, and THAT'S the point I'm making here. Where are Capcom's projects for PS360? The fact that they were all MIA at this show is evidence that Capcom is taking a different route internally.

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I LOVE to be wrong on this matter, but I've been stung by Capcom and I won't change my view of them until I see something more substantial.

If you're looking for substantial, I can't offer you evidence of their support of the Wii beyond the games you're already dismissing, but their gameday DOES stand as substantial evidence that they're not working as hard on PS360 projects as we previously thought.

If they've been working on RE5 or DMC4 all this time since they were announced, then where's the new media? Where are the new screens, playable floor demos, etc.?

I'm not going to try to convince you to care, but my point is that Capcom could be at least porting RE5 to the Wii and their current behavior corroborates the theory.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

shazaaam

Capcom's Game Day is about Capcom games, if they have any.

This year's dumbed-down E3 sure as hell isn't a Capcom Game Day, so why would they wait to show things off to press who will have their attention and time divided, while their Game Day pits them directly with press who showed up specifically for Capcom games?

Given the downgrading Lair and Motorstorm got, people should be ready to cry once they see the "new" "latest" "high-def" ps360 RE5.

[Kairon]

People didn't cry over Dead Rising did they? Next-gen is fine.

... but new-gen is better! &P

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
This year's dumbed-down E3 sure as hell isn't a Capcom Game Day, so why would they wait to show things off to press who will have their attention and time divided, while their Game Day pits them directly with press who showed up specifically for Capcom games?

Exactly.

Which is why I find the lack of RE5 (and to a lesser extent, DMC4) at their gameday to be so interesting.

[Arbok]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Which is why I find the lack of RE5 (and to a lesser extent, DMC4) at their gameday to be so interesting.

*dusts off the devil's advocate hat*

Maybe it's because they felt RE5 and DMC4 could stand on their own, and so they wanted "gameday" to focus on titles that might normally get lost in the shuffle?

[Smash_Brother]

Interesting idea, but their show was already pretty anemic as it was, which is why I suspect they've taken the route of making only cheap projects until the market settles out and they see who the winners are.

They're still making money, but they're not taking any $50 million gambles on PS360 games when they don't know where the REAL money is yet.

If the Wii sells even 75% of the number of copies as a game on the PS360, it still has a chance of making the same amount of money for Capcom if not more so because development costs are so much lower.

[Ceric]

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They're still making money, but they're not taking any $50 million gambles on PS360 games when they don't know where the REAL money is yet.

I have to disagree there.  I think they are still working on the $50 Million gambles.  In specific I think they are working on the story, gameplay concepts, and assets.  Things that are for the most part system independent.  Then doing some testing on each of the systems to see if that is feasible.  Thus stretching the cost of the $50 Million dollar gamble over a few years making their profits not look as bad.  Meanwhile developing and releasing cheaper titles to supplement their bottom line.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Ceric

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They're still making money, but they're not taking any $50 million gambles on PS360 games when they don't know where the REAL money is yet.

I have to disagree there.  I think they are still working on the $50 Million gambles.  In specific I think they are working on the story, gameplay concepts, and assets.  Things that are for the most part system independent.  Then doing some testing on each of the systems to see if that is feasible.  Thus stretching the cost of the $50 Million dollar gamble over a few years making their profits not look as bad.  Meanwhile developing and releasing cheaper titles to supplement their bottom line.

So they've been working on the RE5 storyline for 1.5 years?

Uh huh, sure.

[Louieturkey]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: Ceric

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They're still making money, but they're not taking any $50 million gambles on PS360 games when they don't know where the REAL money is yet.

I have to disagree there.  I think they are still working on the $50 Million gambles.  In specific I think they are working on the story, gameplay concepts, and assets.  Things that are for the most part system independent.  Then doing some testing on each of the systems to see if that is feasible.  Thus stretching the cost of the $50 Million dollar gamble over a few years making their profits not look as bad.  Meanwhile developing and releasing cheaper titles to supplement their bottom line.

So they've been working on the RE5 storyline for 1.5 years?

Uh huh, sure.

I'm guessing they started working on it before RE4 was finished for the Cube.  But this quiet probably means they are having trouble in getting a playable version out, or even an in-game video.  So they could either just be having a lot of trouble, or your prediction of RE5Wii may be correct.

[Amodaus1]

Smashbro is convincing me here. At first I thought, no way, but it seems remotely plausable now.

But capcom did make dead rising and Lost planet for 360 and HAVEN'T ported to any other CONSOLES. That makes me split on this issue. So for bets, I'm not putting one down until Smash puts up some Dead rising port images.

[ShyGuy]

RE4 took a long time. Didn't they restart development of it three times?

[Smash_Brother]

If I can find them, I'll definitely bring them here.

Like I said, the part of this I can't reason around is the total lack of media for these other titles.

At these shows, they'll show off ANYTHING they have. Even more prerendered videos would have better than absolutely NOTHING.

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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
RE4 took a long time. Didn't they restart development of it three times?

We saw RE4 footage for a while after development, though, including a complete revamp of the game from the original design, but we SAW the media for it.

[Adrock]

I'm not really convinced that the lack of RE5 info suggests a possible Wii version. I think Clover disbanding and Shinji Mikami, who was basically in charge of the entire main series, leaving Capcom has a lot to do with RE5's stunted development.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Adrock
I'm not really convinced that the lack of RE5 info suggests a possible Wii version. I think Clover disbanding and Shinji Mikami, who was basically in charge of the entire main series, leaving Capcom has a lot to do with RE5's stunted development.

Didn't Mikami leave Capcom BEFORE RE 5 was unveiled? I remember that the news of him leaving Capcom happened around the RE 4 was released for the GC and was then announced for the PS2. It was Capcom's decisions that caused him to leave, if I am not mistaken.

That was back at the beginning of 2005, and the RE 5 trailer happened sometime in the middle or end of the year.

Still, its hard to deny that the absence of new footage is weird and could lead to potential development changes, whether they be an updated version heading to both the 360 and PS3 or an updated version for the Wii.

Also, Clover studios had NOTHING to do with the development of RE 5, so I doubt their closure delayed things further.

[Adrock]

From what I've read, Shinji Mikami was still with Capcom last year. He supervised God Hand for PS2 which came out October of last year. That would be like a year after the RE5 trailer was shown.

Also, I had a feeling that someone would call me out on mentioning Clover so allow me to explain.  No, I wasn't inferring that Clover was originally developing the game or anything.  Rather, closing a whole team means internal restructuring.  Apparently (and I say "apparently" because I read this on wikipedia), members of Clover are now working on RE5. Dissolving Clover also put Shinji Mikami in limbo. They moved him from Studio 4 to Clover so with Clover no more, then what? We know now that he moved on to Seeds. He might still be involved with RE5, but all that reshuffling of staff certainly must have had an effect on development.

[Ceric]

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Originally posted by: Amodaus1
Smashbro is convincing me here. At first I thought, no way, but it seems remotely plausable now.

But capcom did make dead rising and Lost planet for 360 and HAVEN'T ported to any other CONSOLES. That makes me split on this issue. So for bets, I'm not putting one down until Smash puts up some Dead rising port images.

I notice you excluded PC's their/there/they're.

Edit:  Actual at one point I read it was either a press release from Capcom or an interview with one of the execs.  Were they said that Clover Studio was a weird entity to begin with within Capcom and had been dissolved so that the personnel could be moved around Capcom par normal.