Author Topic: PSP Price Cut (Read 18113 times)

Adrock · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2007, 05:58:35 PM »

Yeah, too late. DS is too strong.

There are a few games I want, but $170 is still too much. I actually expect some of those games to be ported to Wii....

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2007, 10:00:38 PM »

If the NEW Sony marketing push doesn't make you want to buy a PSP, it will atleast make you laugh...

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Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #27 on:** April 04, 2007, 10:27:50 PM »

MaryJane · « **Reply #28 on:** April 05, 2007, 02:41:22 AM »

I find it a little to strange to hear some of these arguments coming from people who I KNOW would love to have a portable GC. Because I sure as hell would. I think that's what part of Sony's plan with PSP was let people play their favorite PS games on the road.

Things done to death? How many times, on how many platforms, do we need to play Zelda: LttP? As many times as it's released? I did and I know others have also. What's the real problem with the PSP? I believe it's lackluster titles and high launch price... sort of like the PS3, which is funny since the Wii is following the DS's success, and now the PS3 is following it's handheld little brother's success.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #29 on:** April 05, 2007, 02:59:40 AM »

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What's the real problem with the PSP? I believe it's lackluster titles and high launch price... sort of like the PS3, which is funny since the Wii is following the DS's success, and now the PS3 is following it's handheld little brother's success.

Well all the PSP really is a underclocked PS2 that runs UMDs and has a analog stick and 2 shoulder buttons missing, not to mention the stiff D-pad. But the main problem I have with it is game selection, only the Capcom games are pretty much worth it but those are mostly ports/remakes. There is nothing unique about the PSP since you can get the experience of a PSP on any other platform.

IMO the only thing the Wii and DS have in common are it sets a new gaming experiance and its aimed for everyone. Same with the PSP and PS3 its supposedly aimed for young adults, hardcore sony fan boys and both have a pointless(IMO) "new" disc format drive.

hudsonhawk · « **Reply #30 on:** April 05, 2007, 05:07:15 AM »

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Originally posted by: MaryJane
I find it a little to strange to hear some of these arguments coming from people who I KNOW would love to have a portable GC. Because I sure as hell would. I think that's what part of Sony's plan with PSP was let people play their favorite PS games on the road.

Things done to death? How many times, on how many platforms, do we need to play Zelda: LttP? As many times as it's released? I did and I know others have also. What's the real problem with the PSP? I believe it's lackluster titles and high launch price... sort of like the PS3, which is funny since the Wii is following the DS's success, and now the PS3 is following it's handheld little brother's success.

Those are my thoughts exactly. I never had a problem with the SNES ports on the GBA, I don't have a problem with PS2 ports on the PSP. People act like it's some fundamental rule of portables that they provide a unique experience, when really this is a quality unique to the DS (and even that quality is a little overhyped - a lot of the best games for the DS are extensions of franchises from other platforms. I'm not saying this is a bad thing - quite the opposite.) Portable versions of good games are worthwhile by virtue of being portable.

I have more time for gaming on the go than I do at home. If a game comes out on the PSP and on my home console, I will usually get the PSP version (particularly if it's better suited for portable play).

One thing I do agree with though is that for whatever reason PSP owners don't buy games, although I don't agree with Deguello's assertion that this is because all 20 million people who own them are more interested in piracy and emulation - I think that's a gross generalization based on a vocal minority online. Most of the people I know with PSP's are casual gamers in the strictest of sense - the Madden crowd if you will. My guess is that its tie-in ratio is so abysmal simply because they've failed to convert the hard-core crowd the way that the DS has. They're the ones who buy games by the truckload.

Deguello · « **Reply #31 on:** April 05, 2007, 05:40:58 AM »

MaryJane is making an assertion that I don't think holds true. He doesn't know if everybody here would want a portable GC.

While the statement that the GBA had a lot of SNES ports is correct, it does not explain the entire picture. One must remember that the GBA basically had the entire market to themselves. And even so, most of the highest rated and highest selling games on the GBA were in reality original GBA efforts and games.

In contrast, of the 9 million sellers the PSP has worldwide:

Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
Star Wars: Battlefront II
Monster Hunter Freedom
Need for Speed Most Wanted
Everybodys Golf Portable <----- This one
Ridge Racers <----- This one
Need For Speed Underground Rivals
SOCOM: Fireteam Bravo
Monster Hunter Freedom 2

only 2 can be considered original efforts. Everything else is borrowed code or the exact same game as the console. THIS is what is selling, not Loco Roco or Daxter or Ratchet and Clank or hell Even METAL GEAR and FINAL FANTASY.

And even then those two games look so much like their console counterparts, to the naked eye they appear to be nothing more than ports.

Compare this to the Huge list of DS games that have sold a million worldwide, where the only real port is Super Mario 64. This merely cements the PSP as a colossal waste of time for developers, who can only profit from porting. On the DS, originality can sell. On the PSP, it can't. So all they do is port, port, port. Seriously, look at the list of games even the more hardcore fans of the PSP are looking forward to, a remake of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood, and a port of that god-awful Final Fantasy Tactics from the Playstation. Even the FANS want ports. They can't possibly win.

AwesomeMan · « **Reply #32 on:** April 05, 2007, 05:57:21 AM »

Another reason that the GBA got away with lack of new type of gameplay is because consoles these days don't offer much in classic 2D gameplay. sure VJ was fun as was Klonoa, but not many sidescrolling action/platformers are released now.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #33 on:** April 05, 2007, 06:07:53 AM »

"I never had a problem with the SNES ports on the GBA, I don't have a problem with PS2 ports on the PSP."

Yeah but the GBA also had a lot of original games. It wasn't as dominated by ports as the PSP was. And how many GBA games were later ported to the Gamecube? I think Warioware is it and even that depends on what your view of a port is. Original PSP games are often ported to the PS2. All of Nintendo's portables are systems you had to own if you were a serious gamer because otherwise you would miss some major stuff. The PSP doesn't have that. If you don't own it it's no big deal if you own a PS2. As purely a videogame system it is unessential. Nintendo are the only true portable success story and thus they set the standard that all portables should follow. That standard is for a portable to be an essential system regardless of it's portability. Someone who owns a Nintendo home console can still find major exclusive games on a Nintendo portable even if that portable nevers leaves their house and effectively acts like another console.

The PSP is only useful for people wanting to play games on the go. The DS is useful for everyone whether they want to play on the go or play at home.

oohhboy · « **Reply #34 on:** April 05, 2007, 06:37:51 AM »

One other thing is missing. The GBA ports of SNES games are two generations removed from their original console. One could have brought a SNES and games for it, but the effort needed is simply too great for most. When original games for GBA are released, no one is waiting for a SNES release of that game.

So the entire GBA has ports thing is dead. Simply by the passage of time, the ports effectively become "new" again. Of course, we "hardcore" gamers would bitch and whine about it, but 10 years is more than enough time for a new batch of people who have never heard of the golden oldies to play them.

MaryJane · « **Reply #35 on:** April 05, 2007, 10:41:53 AM »

Aren't the SOCOM and GTA games for the PSP original efforts? They carry the name but it isn't a port. My definition of a port is a copy of game on a different system. If you consider those games to be ports then Draqon Quest IX is also a port.

There's no need to argue that the DS is a better sytem than the PSP, I wholeheartedly agreee. I don't own a PSP but to date I have owned 3(DS Phat gave/sold to my mom, Black DSLite imported sold for as much as I bought it for before the U.S got black, and my current imported navy blue) DS's. We know it's a better system, but it doesn't make the PSP a horrible system. It's just not as good. The PSP has a lot of ignored potential. If Sony had focused only on games for this system instead of forcing feeding it's other capabilities the system would be better. I think the price cut, and increase in original titles (even though they carry the name like Resistance, I doubt a PS3 game could really be ported to PSP) are too little too late, but don't be surprised if it works even just to enough to see a PSP2.

Edit: Oh yeah sorry for the generilaztion. I don't see why anyone who owned a GC wouldn't want to play their games on the road, but if they exist I'm sorry for categorizing them with rational people.

AwesomeMan · « **Reply #36 on:** April 05, 2007, 11:23:32 AM »

vice city stories and the other GTA were ported to the ps2 though pretty sure that what Ian Sane means.

Ceric · « **Reply #37 on:** April 05, 2007, 01:43:45 PM »

I'm still surprised to this day that the PSP didn't have a touch screen and designed better. Especially because of Sony's very successful PDA line, that happened to get axed when the PSP came out.

Also the PSP should have just been dropped to the same as the DS in price that way price becomes a non-issue.

I say as long as Nintendo is selling out of DS's keep the same price. I can easily say this because I'm sticking with my Launch DS until there is a new revision of the DS that makes it more ergonomic like the original GBA or dies of old age and use.

Adrock · « **Reply #38 on:** April 05, 2007, 01:54:06 PM »

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MaryJane wrote:
The PSP has a lot of ignored potential. If Sony had focused only on games for this system instead of forcing feeding it's other capabilities the system would be better.

Yeah, that's about right.

It's not just about original efforts. Portable gaming has to differentiate itself from console gaming. That's really the difference between DS and PSP.

Kairon · « **Reply #39 on:** April 05, 2007, 01:56:10 PM »

Yeah, the PSP is really a sweet piece of tech... that has no defined place in the market...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

ShyGuy · « **Reply #40 on:** April 05, 2007, 02:35:52 PM »

So what are the top 5-10 games on the PSP? I may get one if they drop to $99

capamerica · « **Reply #41 on:** April 05, 2007, 03:25:33 PM »

Lets see if I can at least come up with 10...

1. Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee
2. Tales of Eternia
3. Valkyrie Profile Lenneth
4. Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man's Chest
5. Star Wars: Lethal Alliance
6. Mega Man Powered Up
7. Tomb Raider: Legend
8. Tekken: Dark Resurrection
9. Mercury Meltdown
10. Metal Gear Portable Ops

You know that was a lot harder then I thought... I was stuck with only 7 for about 20min. =/
I had to bring up a list of all PSP games released to fill in the last 3 spots.

Ceric · « **Reply #42 on:** April 06, 2007, 05:20:25 AM »

I refuse to touch Mega Man:Powered up because I really hate them demasculating and kiddifying Megaman.

capamerica · « **Reply #43 on:** April 06, 2007, 12:21:17 PM »

The chibi Megaman is really the only downside to Mega Man Powered Up.
If you can get past that (Which truth be told is REALLY hard to do) its a decent updated port.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #44 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:37:01 PM »

I really liked the art style of Mega Man Powered Up and was quite jealous it wasn't a DS game. The odd thing is the art style really fits better on the DS than PSP anyway.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #45 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:51:35 PM »

That's because Capcom, is as we all know all to well, is a very stupid company.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #46 on:** April 06, 2007, 07:54:25 PM »

I just found out this is out now

Combined with

Wow I might need a PSP when it drops to a sensible price. Which will be never. Too bad.

MaryJane · « **Reply #47 on:** April 07, 2007, 04:41:38 AM »

If the DS were lacking in a genre I enjoyed I would buy a PSP. The reason I bought a PS2 was because of the lack of RPGs (to name one) on the GC.

The DS however has no such lacking, and it's actually a little overwhelming how many good to great games are on the DS.

The price cut of the PSP will probably attract a number of new buyers however, and couple that with a slowly improving library, and we might actually see some competition between the two handheld devices.

The only thing is that in the U.S where the race is closest, is the only region getting the price cut! I could be wrong in that, but I know for sure that in Japan where the DS might as well be bread, the PSP's price will not be cut.

Kairon · « **Reply #48 on:** April 07, 2007, 07:35:14 AM »

The DS IS lacking in traditional RPGs isn't it? What does it have to compare to Valkyrie Profile?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

MaryJane · « **Reply #49 on:** April 07, 2007, 07:53:57 AM »

Although it isn't a DS game, I'm going to say FF:III because I am playing on my DS.

Dragon Quest IX is also traditional RPG, as is Pokemon Pearl/Diamond. Beyond that I don't know, I haven't played any on the DS.

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