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Re: Rockstar has a new game called IV
« Reply #200 on: May 08, 2008, 10:11:31 PM »
Trailer from the new 50 cent game...

Yes, they are making a sequel... =|
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Re: Rockstar has a new game called IV
« Reply #201 on: May 08, 2008, 10:18:11 PM »
LOL. Where is that from?

Take it from a man who was a spy for the Soviets in '91, It's real footage from Operation: Desert Storm. 
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« Reply #202 on: May 08, 2008, 10:29:28 PM »
I stole it from Gaf.  Someone made it from the trailer for the new 50 Cent game.  It's the greatest trailer ever made in the history of man.

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14242591/50-cent-blood-in-the-sand/videos/50Cent_BOTS_042408.html
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« Reply #203 on: May 08, 2008, 10:41:39 PM »
Hm that was a freakin' sweet trailer actually.   But a douche like 50 cent ain't actually gonna do any of that stuff.
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Re: Rockstar has a new game called IV
« Reply #204 on: May 08, 2008, 10:45:22 PM »
Everything about the game, the star, the setting, the plot, the trailer, is just so over the top ridiculous that it has stopped nothing short of genius.  GOTY.

(I realize I have derailed this thread now, but I think a page or two of Fitty discussion is a lot better than child porn and race crime simulators, so indulge me.)
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« Reply #205 on: May 08, 2008, 11:46:12 PM »
I think that's a fairly generalized view of how the mind works...There are a bunch of psychological and social factors that play into it...

Like first of all, how in tune with reality is a person?  Are they diagnosed with a personality or psychotic disorder?  On the social side, were they taught what is and what is not socially or morally wrong?  Someone who is taught that shooting people is bad is obviously going to be affected differently than someone who has not, and going back to mental disorders, one with schizophrenia is obviously going to react differently (and theoretically more negatively) than someone who does not...

You can't just say "Oh games will definitely change you," because that's not the case at all...

(And if anything, the military example is more an example of "familiarity"...Someone who has never fired a gun is holding something alien to them; they don't know what it will do when it fires, the kickback, etc...After putting yourself in the shoes of someone holding a gun, you are more familiar with it, and thus more confident to pull the trigger in real life...Morality is an impossible thing to judge, and thus can't be tested clinically...:))

The military example comes from a study in which, they noticed human reluctance to fire in war situations and take a life.  That trained soldiers, not people that have never fired a gun, still hesitated when targeting a human and taking a life.  Then they started modeling targets to look like people, and found that people were finding it easier to target people.  The mind altered some and the hesitation was gone.  As they began to make the targets more realistic, even using computer characters with realistic death it became easier and easier.  This is the mind changing.

There was another study that showed that behavior actually crystallizes and changes the how you process and think.  The idea they were exploring was how patterns in behavior and how habits are created.  I believe the media we take in has this effect on us.

I believe we do desensitize ourselves to whatever it is we expose ourselves to in life, and that doesn't mean it is always a bad thing, it is just habit.  For example new parents desensitize themselves eventually to the sound their children crying or making crazy noises...but they can always tell when the baby is really in trouble. 

And, I don't think this is a reason to ban all violence or sex, because you are right...exposure does not mean you are going to become a killer, a rapist, a pedophile, a racist, or whatever...and it doesn't even mean you are going to shift your moral compass and believe those behaviors are ok.  What it does mean that behavior won't have the exact same effect on you as if you were never exposed to it.  And that could be good or bad. 

I do believe we should be careful what we expose ourselves to, and I think that even though we value the freedom of speech, and artistic expression we as a society and culture should place regulate in material to safe guard children and adults that do not want exposure.  This regulation should never be forced or controlled by the government, but freely done by the industry. 

And as the examples of the racist games existing and the child porn games existing, those are not created by the mainstream industry, nor would they even be accepted in anyway by the industry as a whole...those are fringe projects, and that type of media exists in all media forms and should not speak for what the industry is willing to accept.

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Re: Rockstar has a new game called IV
« Reply #206 on: May 08, 2008, 11:50:10 PM »
Spak-Spang, that was on Glenn Beck 2 days ago.

Still I could give a crap, I know my motives.  Just enforce the ESRB and state level and educate.  Problem solved.
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« Reply #207 on: May 09, 2008, 12:00:31 AM »
It was...I actually don't listen to Glenn Beck anymore because quite frankly he isn't funny anymore after he got his television show.

And I completely agree.  I don't believe we have a problem that needs fixing.  I was just original shocked about the comment of child pornography games.  Yes, enforce the ESRB limite and state level and education, and let retailers know what is in a game and if they want to support it by putting it on the shelf. 

Case Solved. 

The last thing I want is government involvement or any kind of enforcement against content.  That is a scary road. 

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« Reply #208 on: May 09, 2008, 12:04:46 AM »
The last thing I want is government involvement or any kind of enforcement against content.  That is a scary road. 

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« Reply #209 on: May 09, 2008, 12:06:41 AM »
The last thing I want is government involvement or any kind of enforcement against content.  That is a scary road. 

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Re: Rockstar has a new game called IV
« Reply #210 on: May 09, 2008, 12:11:59 AM »
It doesn't need to go any further. 

Like an eyebrow has never been raised at you. >.>

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« Reply #211 on: May 09, 2008, 12:14:33 AM »
It doesn't need to go any further. 

Like an eyebrow has never been raised at you. >.>

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Re: Rockstar has a new game called IV
« Reply #212 on: May 09, 2008, 12:20:41 AM »
So Ok...after derailing this thread.

Back to this game called IV...is it actually as good as the hype?  Got any tips on missions?  How about cheats?  What do you think about the game compared to the sequels?  Where would you like the next one to go.

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« Reply #213 on: May 09, 2008, 12:22:28 AM »
So Ok...after derailing this thread.

Back to this game called IV...is it actually as good as the hype?  Got any tips on missions?  How about cheats?  What do you think about the game compared to the sequels?  Where would you like the next one to go.

Let's bring the topic back to the magically land of railed topic-ry.

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Re: Rockstar has a new game called IV
« Reply #214 on: May 09, 2008, 12:23:51 AM »
Answer them again!  Like I'm about to do.

San Andreas is the best GTA, period.  GTA IV is fun, but feels empty compared to the richness that was SA.  It feels like a step back feature wise.  (Because it is.)

I really like the main character and some of the plot events (Not so much the plot itself, as a whole.)  Unfortunately I feel the game is a little self contradictory because Niko is really a likeable guy, but at the same time he's a ruthless murderer if the price is right, he bangs hookers (or can if you so choose), and causes massive traffic hold-ups throughout the entire city.  I suppose that's a curse of the whole series though, is that you're caught wanting to identify and like the character you play, but at the same time they're terrible, terrible people.
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« Reply #215 on: May 09, 2008, 12:29:25 AM »
Answer them again!  Like I'm about to do.

San Andreas is the best GTA, period.  GTA IV is fun, but feels empty compared to the richness that was SA.  It feels like a step back feature wise.  (Because it is.)

I really like the main character and some of the plot events (Not so much the plot itself, as a whole.)  Unfortunately I feel the game is a little self contradictory because Niko is really a likeable guy, but at the same time he's a ruthless murderer if the price is right, he bangs hookers (or can if you so choose), and causes massive traffic hold-ups throughout the entire city.  I suppose that's a curse of the whole series though, is that you're caught wanting to identify and like the character you play, but at the same time they're terrible, terrible people.

I basically agree with you, which is why I'd like to see this genre evolve more instead of still playing it safe. While GTAIV is a well done game, it is not even close to being as ground breaking as GTAIII which is sad because other sandbox style games have innovated and Rockstar hasn't built on many of those innovations. It is one thing to create a game that cannot really be improved much upon it is another to create a game where there are obvious areas to improve on yet it remains stuck. Hopefully the next GTA game will start innovating, now that the engine and the basics are in place.
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« Reply #216 on: May 09, 2008, 12:33:07 AM »
Speaking of the next GTAs; I always got the feeling that Vice City and San Andreas were released to kind of "erase" GTA 1/2.  They are both larger, more feature-rich games than GTA III, and chronologically they take place before hand.  I never viewed them as spinoffs, but more like prequels. 

So do you think the next GTA will be GTA V or will they go the subtitle route again?
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« Reply #217 on: May 09, 2008, 12:44:46 AM »
Speaking of the next GTAs; I always got the feeling that Vice City and San Andreas were released to kind of "erase" GTA 1/2.  They are both larger, more feature-rich games than GTA III, and chronologically they take place before hand.  I never viewed them as spinoffs, but more like prequels. 

So do you think the next GTA will be GTA V or will they go the subtitle route again?

I think they will use subtitles, and then when the NEXT generation of systems come out GTAV will be the title. In a way I think it is good because it would be kind of deceptive if GTAV was built off the same engine as GTAIV. At least this way you understand what you are getting, basically an expanded experience from the previous game when it comes to new additions, I just hope the next game has a better balance in regards to the city and the land around it. Like I said before in this thread I really enjoyed the freedom SA gave me, and it would be great to have that again.
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« Reply #218 on: May 09, 2008, 12:48:25 AM »
LOL Rockstar's just gonna re-hash a new GTAIII clone every new generation ;)
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« Reply #219 on: May 09, 2008, 07:38:29 AM »
Here is a question.  The GTA series had me desiring to create a sandbox type game around a city.  But I really wanted you to be an average Joe with missions that could literally be resolved several means.

So are there any missions you can accomplish by doing legal means?  Why am I forced to become a criminal basically...a true sandbox game should not be like that.

I always wanted to make a sandbox game with this radical idea that you are going to do very mundane things.  Go to the store and buy groceries for the family on a set budget...now do you want to speed there?  Do you want to obey the speed limit?  do you want to steal?  Whatever...and you can accomplish your goal any way...but if you decide to do illegal things they  have permanent consequences throughout the entire game.  For instance, if you break the law you might just get a ticket...and then lay low.  If you kill somebody and the body is discovered, then the police will be after you, and if you are caught for a crime you will be arrested and possibly sent to jail.  However, if you kill a cop in the game you are a cop killer and they actively seek you out, and will shoot to kill instead of arrest.

Something like that sounds amazing...I know it would mean less crime storyline, but why is that needed.  I really like the idea of forming the story by my actions, not a cheesy plot.

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« Reply #220 on: May 09, 2008, 07:54:26 AM »
That seems like a pretty interesting idea for a game Spak. I think the only problem you would have creating that is making it flexible enough, and making so that it never became too mundane. I think people like being a criminal in GTA because they aren't criminals in the real world. But in those games, everything is so over the top in never feels realistic. If you could create the game so that killing someone and stealing their car actually felt like you were going to do something terrible and game altering, I think you will have created a much more engaging world.

But generally speaking, what you have sounds awesome, the story has the ability to write itself with a sandbox style game, no need to be dragged along by the plot created by the game.
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« Reply #221 on: May 09, 2008, 11:32:33 AM »
I really like the idea Spak but I think it would have the same flaw that GTA games have.  If your sent to jail how will you be punished.  I never quite understood how you can go on a shooting spree but be released from jail as long as you forfeit SOME of your money and all of your weapons.  Since those games revolve around crime it would be hard to come up with an appropriate punishment without hindering the game.  I wish sandbox games would take a step in that direction.  A Good Shenmue sequel would be fun I think.
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« Reply #222 on: May 09, 2008, 12:16:17 PM »
I really like the idea Spak but I think it would have the same flaw that GTA games have.  If your sent to jail how will you be punished.  I never quite understood how you can go on a shooting spree but be released from jail as long as you forfeit SOME of your money and all of your weapons.

After getting busted you fade to black.  "20 Years Later" the screen says, and you appear in front of the jail a withered old man.  Everyone you knew is dead, you are alone and feeble in this world, and you have no one to blame for it other than yourself.
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« Reply #223 on: May 09, 2008, 02:29:22 PM »
I always wanted to make a sandbox game with this radical idea that you are going to do very mundane things.

Isn't this what games like Animal Crossing and The Sims already do?
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« Reply #224 on: May 09, 2008, 04:40:22 PM »
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