Author Topic: Nights is being revived on Wii (Read 60027 times)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #150 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:27:01 AM »

Shenmue II is a wonderful circus of BLOCKS and BLUR. Even it cannot visually measure up to certain parts of Tak/Juju and Kao the Kangaroo.

People should be required to take a state licensing exam before making "dreamcast" comparisons.

Deguello · « **Reply #151 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:29:09 AM »

It does raise questions about Pittbboi's actual purpose here is. If he wants to take Ian's throne of "even-handed concern skepticism" he'll have to be a little more distinguished and probably more careful, and maybe a little more discerning and possibly smarter.

Unless he's here to troll. In which case, that situation can be remedied as well.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #152 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:43:22 AM »

It's weird.

Pit goes back and forth. Sometimes he's enthusiastic or willing to listen to reason and other times he's that old guy in a black robe standing on a New York street corner, shouting, "THE END!!!! IT'S THE END!!!!"

My guess is it's a mood thing.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #153 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:49:01 AM »

That's not a Shenmue II screen.

That's an Escape from Bug Island screen! LOLRZO!@!!1!!

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #154 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:50:04 AM »

mantidor · « **Reply #155 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:54:34 AM »

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Originally posted by: the1st_fret
Mantidor, NiGHTS is Genderless

Yeah, I just noticed. I've never played the game, but apparently is my personal dream game I've talked about in some occasions, a game with flying mechanics. I'm very interested of course, and it doesn't look bad, but I hope it looks better in motion.

the1st_fret · « **Reply #156 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:57:23 AM »

go watch some vids of the original, its awesome.

mantidor · « **Reply #157 on:** March 30, 2007, 09:05:20 AM »

Well I just found out its on rails

now I'm cautionary interested, its not exactly my dream game anymore.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #158 on:** March 30, 2007, 09:10:07 AM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
It's weird.

Pit goes back and forth. Sometimes he's enthusiastic or willing to listen to reason and other times he's that old guy in a black robe standing on a New York street corner, shouting, "THE END!!!! IT'S THE END!!!!"

My guess is it's a mood thing.

Pittboi must really be a Pittgirl....

*Let the claims of pap64 being sexist begin!

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #159 on:** March 30, 2007, 09:11:42 AM »

Told you it's ruined already.

AwesomeMan · « **Reply #160 on:** March 30, 2007, 09:33:21 AM »

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Well I just found out its on rails now I'm cautionary interested, its not exactly my dream game anymore.

Its not really on rails, its 2d flying awesome, awesome 2d flying. somewhat like the swimming in ecco.

Kairon · « **Reply #161 on:** March 30, 2007, 09:39:50 AM »

Score.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

couchmonkey · « **Reply #162 on:** March 30, 2007, 09:43:26 AM »

Well, now that there are finally real screenshots I can finally start getting a little excited. Never played the original, but it reviewed well enough. I really like the screenshots that are out there...they're crazy.

Pittbboi · « **Reply #163 on:** March 30, 2007, 10:42:51 AM »

Oh geez...is that really a whole page of people bitching (and threatening to ban me) over the fact that I'm not impressed by the graphics, even after I said that I'm still holding out hope that Sega won't completely screw up this game?

People...people...

And Dequello...ok, I'll bite:

Soul Calibur, Dreamcast launch title:

Soul Calibur again:

PowerStone, another Dreamcast launch title:

NIGHTS may look slightly better than these titles, but so far it doesn't seem to look outrageously better. Sorry I seem to piss everybody off, but I AM--as I said--holding out hope that Sega won't totally screw this game up. But so far I'm not impressed with the graphics, and I'm entitled to that opinion. Geez...

ThePerm · « **Reply #164 on:** March 30, 2007, 10:45:20 AM »

http://www.jeux-france.com/news19769_nights-wii-premieres-images.html

Kairon · « **Reply #165 on:** March 30, 2007, 10:59:44 AM »

I will never understand what it's like to be turned off by non-brilliant graphics. Dull art style, yes. Technical incompetence, yes. But just because a game only has X number of polygons instead of X + Y number of polygons, or N shaders or Z bump maps, will NEVER prevent me from buying it, or enjoying it.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Pittbboi · « **Reply #166 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:11:01 AM »

Well for me, it's because sometimes (not saying ALL the time) graphics can be a indication of how much time is being put into a game. That, and it's the aesthetic (which CAN affect how a game is perceived) and signs of technological growth. In a world where you see games really pushing the limits of console hardware (Even for the Wii, there are some really beautiful games coming out in the future), it's just a little off-putting when you're faced with a game that seems to be several steps behind. Of course the game could end up being lots of fun, but that first impression when you first see the game is partially a product of how the game looks.

As I said in the post that seemed to set people into flame mode--those visuals will be somewhat understandable if the levels in the game are absolutely MASSIVE. But, just looking at the screens (which is all anyone can do), I'm just not really impressed. Wii games can definitely..definitely look better than that.

Kairon · « **Reply #167 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:15:30 AM »

I agree that I'm not blown away at all by the graphics. I think that they can definitely do better, and that visual style DOES matter (though how tied in that is to graphical technology for some games is a matter of debate) and first impressions are important. But personally, and I'm speaking for myself instead of the whole market, I don't judge a book by its cover.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #168 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:17:26 AM »

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
http://www.jeux-france.com/news19769_nights-wii-premieres-images.html

I already posted the link, along with the translation

look back about 2 pages

Pittbboi · « **Reply #169 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:25:03 AM »

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I agree that I'm not blown away at all by the graphics. I think that they can definitely do better

And that's all I freakin' said. People need to calm the F down and stop acting like I killed their favorite pet or something.

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But personally, and I'm speaking for myself instead of the whole market, I don't judge a book by its cover.

I don't really, either. I mean, anyone who has followed my posts knows that my most anticipated Wii game is No More Heroes. I'm beyond excited for that game; and yet, I'll be the first to say that, graphically, it doesn't look all that hot.

Kairon · « **Reply #170 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:32:03 AM »

Agreed. But just to be safe... I don't want you to come ANYWHERE WITHIN 100FT of my cat.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #171 on:** March 30, 2007, 01:01:24 PM »

*Soul Calibur* OOOOOOH

*Power Stone* AHHHHHH

Due to the fact that a console has to worry about an extremely limited number of visible characters, an typically confined stage, and little to no background activity/interactivity, fighting games are poor examples of visual/computational prowess.

So we can toss those two aside.

Action-adventures in 3D worlds with the likes of Shenmue and Sonic Adventure are far more applicable and telling.

Having seen Shenmue II chug along on DC, "no way" could Wii/NuGHTS run on DC at a reasonable level of performance (or not at all depending on certain features).

No one's attacking anybody for "not being impressed," but we are pointing out a poorly made technical comparison.

All DC games after Soul Calibur don't look nearly as good (DOA3 and Xbox present an analogous situation). Apparently glitzy fighting games cloud people's memories.

Pittbboi · « **Reply #172 on:** March 30, 2007, 01:54:00 PM »

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Due to the fact that a console has to worry about an extremely limited number of visible characters, an typically confined stage, and little to no background activity/interactivity, fighting games are poor examples of visual/computational prowess

Ummm...I'll give you Soul Calibur (though some of the levels were very large in scale, just like those Nights screens), but did you play Power Stone? Power Stone2? Those games were insanely busy and interactive, and looked pretty good (please make a third, Capcom). So I'd say that comparison still stands.

And, to pull up an Action-Adventure example: Sonic Adventure 2.

And still...even if my comparison is completely off base and NOTHING about Wii Nights could have been done on the Dreamcast, based purely on those screens I still don't think it looks comparable to even a 'Cube launch title. My overall point still stands: the Wii is capable of much, much more than this. So I'm not impressed.

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No one's attacking anybody for "not being impressed," but we are pointing out a poorly made technical comparison.

Um, yeah....are you sure you're reading the same thing I was? I can see several posts blasting me for saying the game doesn't look good. The first one, actually.

Kairon · « **Reply #173 on:** March 30, 2007, 02:02:19 PM »

Hahaha. Don't worry Pittboi. We still love you!

But since you've just incentivized me to go back and look at that wonderful little happenstance... could you explain this quote?

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Come on now, I know graphics don't make a game fun, but this is ridiculous. This game better be REALLY freaking fun.

Are you suggesting a relationship between graphics and fun and how they add up to a game's worth? As in, a game with poor graphics but TONS of fun is worth a game with little fun but very nice graphics?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Pittbboi · « **Reply #174 on:** March 30, 2007, 02:31:11 PM »

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Are you suggesting a relationship between graphics and fun and how they add up to a game's worth? As in, a game with poor graphics but TONS of fun is worth a game with little fun but very nice graphics?

Not at all. That statement was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. So may people are willing to write off a poor graphical presentation with statements like "Well, the game LOOKS fun, and that's ALL that matters!" And to a certain extent I believe that's true, fun should be the primary concern. But I feel lately the "games need to be fun! graphics don't matter!" movement has gotten so extreme within the Nintendosphere that I wouldn't be surprised if certain developers got the impression that they didn't have to try when it came to graphical presentation, because Nintendo gamers claim to not care about it. And that all they have to say is "Well, we're focusing on the fun aspect" when that may not exactly be true (as certain have already proved). What I said was a play off of that (i.e. obviously they're not focusing on graphics so this game better be chock full of amazingly fun gameplay). It was a joke.

But on the topic of what you said and how they relate to my personal beliefs...yes, I think there is a certain relationship between graphics and fun and how they add to a game's worth. A fun game with great graphics is always better than a fun game with poor graphics. And though I'm not the type, I definitely know people who will suffer through a game that's not necessarily all that fun simply because it's absolute eye candy.

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Author Topic: Nights is being revived on Wii (Read 60027 times)