Author Topic: Zack & Wiki (Read 64800 times)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #200 on:** November 16, 2007, 01:51:29 PM »

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Intro * 480p

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #201 on:** January 03, 2008, 09:30:25 AM »

I got around to beating this on Xmas evening. Absolutely phenomenal.

Puts Twilight Princess to shame.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #202 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:14:00 AM »

Since this has been brought up, there have been some editorials saying that more people should have bought Z&W and support creative Wii games. Some gamers are saying that asking gamers to buy a game is like forcing them to buy something they might not like and that the whole thing its ridiculous.

Now what do you guys think? While I agree that forcing people to buy something for the sake of support isn't always ideal can you blame people for trying?

I mean, Z&W is a very polished, creative, and fun third party game. One that isn't a rush job, an enhanced PSP or PS2 port or a mini game collection.

Gamers have complained that the Wii is nothing but a gimmick, yet when games like these are released they ignore it and keep complaining.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #203 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:34:46 AM »

The game was very good except the next to last level was very frusturating, there were a couple split second puzzles that made me yell.

Pap64 I think these gamers are all secrectly Sony and MS fanboys, so they disqualify every title that doesn't fit there agenda.

Kairon · « **Reply #204 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:41:03 AM »

There's actually enough blame to go around. Hypocrites not buying the game, Capcom's horrible name and lack of advertising, retailers not stocking the title, internet hype setting unreachably high goals...Zack & Wiki is a good game surrounded by tragedy.

I just hope that the rumors of a sequel are true, that the game didn't cost too much to make, that it starts to exhibit Phoenix Wright level cult status and longevity, and that Capcom had realistic expectations for the title's performance.

... this just makes me wish that Nintendo had some focused and concerted effort to increase awareness of key new-style third-party titles that deserve to be given a chance with consumers. I can't help but think that games like Zack & Wiki, Trauma Center: New Blood, and Geometry Wars could ALL have benefited from increased point-of-sale visibility, advertising, awareness, demos, and whatnot.

They don't need to be commercials. They don't need to be fancy. They just need to let casual walk-in blue ocean consumers know that games like these exist.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #205 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:57:20 AM »

Did Zack and Wiki really bomb though? I believe it sold around 150k and without much of a budget they could have easily made back their money, or perhaps even ended up making a profit because of the lack of money spent advertising it. I wish I knew how much profit was made per game sold, because let's say the high end numbers for the PS3 or Xbox 360 are true, that most mainstream games need to sell around 500k to be profitable. Now most Wii games cost 2 to 3 times less than a PS3 game to make, so let's say Zack and Wiki was 1/3 the budget of a more mainstream PS3 game (Not out of the question), that would mean that Zack and Wiki would only need to sell 166k to be profitable. Perhaps someone here knows profit margins for each game sold in general.

Plugabugz · « **Reply #206 on:** January 03, 2008, 07:59:47 PM »

You can't really say fairly it's bombed (even though its still true) given that the game isn't out here yet!

Kairon · « **Reply #207 on:** January 03, 2008, 08:07:43 PM »

Not out yet in europe? ... Hope springs eternal!!! Go go Europe! You're our last hope!

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #208 on:** January 03, 2008, 09:05:42 PM »

My mom got me Zack and Wiki for Christmas (I didn't ask or even ever mention it to her. My mom is awesome), and I finally got around to playing it today. I've only done like, four or five levels, but damn it's fun.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #209 on:** January 04, 2008, 01:57:35 AM »

I definitely agree with everything Kairon said. Zack and Wiki should have done better due to the quality of the game, and I hope it achieves the cult status of Phoenix Wright so that we continuously see sequels. However, I think GP also has it right here, the game probably did well enough to be profitable which in this industry is really all that matters. My friend worked on Monster Madness on the 360 and told me they sold about 250k copies of the game worldwide and the publisher still made about a million dollars. I'm guessing the budget on Zack & Wiki was probably less because MM was in development for about 2 years (plus they licensed the Unreal 3 Engine), given that at 150k copies sold I'm sure Capcom still made a decent buck on Z&W. Given that this game still isn't released in all markets, I predict greater profit margins on the game than they are already seeing. If Capcom releases a sequel and throws some marketing behind it I can see them doing better and better with each iteration much like PW has probably done better with each of it's iterations.

Kairon · « **Reply #210 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:21:41 AM »

If that's Capcom's true intentions, then I've vastly under-estimated their resolve to support new franchises, and their publishing prowess.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #211 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:50:41 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
If that's Capcom's true intentions, then I've vastly under-estimated their resolve to support new franchises, and their publishing prowess.

Well I'm having more and more respect for Capcom as time goes on. They have offered solid support for Wii and it is benefiting them for the most part with successes like RE: UC and RE4 for Wii. They actually seem to WANT to get a foothold while Konami is treating the Wii like a 3rd tier system for low budget games that are sent off into gaming war with no support.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #212 on:** January 06, 2008, 04:58:15 AM »

I just got Z&W. Like Dirk Temporo I only played the first few levels, but damn it the game's great!

I absolutely LOVE the graphics and presentation. The characters are brimming with life and emotion. I was captivated the first time I entered the hideout and met Barbaros. In my opinion, THIS is how Wind Waker should have been like. The game looked good, yes, but Z&W does a much better job of portraying a living, breathing cartoon world.

The gameplay is extremely fun and fast paced, especially for a point and click adventure. The Wii controls are excellent. They are so good, in fact, that if I were to show the Wii to people I would show them Z&W. Its concrete proof that some games are enhanced greatly by Wii controls.

The game gets even better when you play with a buddy. My nephew was watching the whole time I was playing and he too was fascinated by it. He even got into the gameplay and started pointing out things I could use and giving me suggestions!

The game can get frustrating, though, especially when the answer to a puzzle is right there under your nose. But its extremely satisfying once you actually figure out what you are supposed to do.

I even get the desire to restart the whole level just so I can complete it without making any mistakes! The game is that good, people.

So while I've yet to dive deep into Z&W's world I am more than sold. I can't wait to get back and explore some more.

Plugabugz · « **Reply #213 on:** January 06, 2008, 06:55:12 AM »

I've chucked this (and £90/$180 worth of other games due out in the next month) on the credit card

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #214 on:** January 06, 2008, 11:03:28 AM »

This game is magick.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #215 on:** January 06, 2008, 11:17:45 AM »

Do you believe in magick?

In a young girl's hear

The next game should shorten the title as much as possible, with a one word sub title. Like Zack and Wiki: Subsistence.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #216 on:** January 06, 2008, 07:18:18 PM »

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure * 480p
Pit of Tragedy
Three Colossi

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #217 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:41:31 PM »

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure * 480p
Keeper of the Ice

Nintendawg · « **Reply #218 on:** January 12, 2008, 03:29:36 AM »

I'm at work right now, and I'm staring Z&W directly in the face. Fortunately, I bought this for Christmas for my brother full knowing what Capcom tends to do with games like these.

Just a bad case of the ol Phoenix Wright I would suppose.

Plugabugz · « **Reply #219 on:** January 17, 2008, 07:31:30 PM »

I hav a feeling Capcom barely published enough copies of this. The game is out here today, and its already on "special order from our suppliers - delivered within 21 DAYS"

Plugabugz · « **Reply #220 on:** January 19, 2008, 12:11:21 PM »

SUCCESS! HMV in Piccadilly Circus had only one copy left.

Capcom must want this game to fail if they only got 11 COPIES for release.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #221 on:** January 21, 2008, 01:33:45 AM »

Yeah, I noticed it's out here. 50€ tho, slightly more expensive than Super Mario Galaxy...

Kairon · « **Reply #222 on:** January 25, 2008, 05:40:06 AM »

Gamestop just dropped the price on this to $30. If this is for all retailers, I really hope that this title picks up more sales.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #223 on:** January 25, 2008, 02:30:41 PM »

Zack & Wiki is not only FUN, it's FUNDAMENTAL.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #224 on:** January 25, 2008, 02:33:04 PM »

I don't really like it that much, but I was never, ever, ever big on point-and-click games, which is part of the reason why it took me so long to start up with Phoenix Wright.

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