Author Topic: Radio Free Nintendo: Episode 40 (Read 12283 times)

Karl Castaneda #2 · « **on:** February 21, 2007, 04:00:00 AM »

Are we really 40 already? Midlife crisis!

It's just Windy and me, so all you Mike-lovers can just high-tail it out of here.

Episode 40: Angry Karl Rides Again

Since it's our 40th podcast, we decided to go old (school) and do another two-man show. Windy and I really go to town though, discussing everything from Smash Bros. at Evolution 2007 (and why I'm right about wavedashing being for chumps) to why Zelda's formula needs to change after Twilight Princess.

While we're at it, we also discuss the new Wii Channel, Everybody Votes, and give out insight on what might be coming next. Somewhere along the way, I lose my mind and call Steven a Nintendo Apologist. Enjoy the rage!

Credits:

This podcast was edited by Karl Castaneda. Commercials performed by Karl Castaneda.

Music for this episode of Radio Free Nintendo is used with permission from Jason Ricci & New Blood. You can also purchase their album directly from the iTunes Music Store.

TheYoungerPlumber · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:50:33 AM »

Thanks for reminding me of my lost ToS "alternate ending in progress" save file.

NeoThunder · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:34:15 PM »

I agree with exploiting and using "glitches" in a game while playing someone else, be it online or someone right next to you, is cheating and wrong.

I also hate someone who corners you and just hits the same button over and over and over and over. When you resort to cheap methods to win such as that, sure you won.....but you didn't earn it. If you play to win and are so content with winning....I wana know, what do you win by being such a d*ck. If playing online you win 100 matches in a row, you still don't win anything. Why not just be a man a play a gentlemans match in the first place instead of playing the A-hole pokemon card

WindyMan · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:54:40 PM »

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Originally posted by: NeoThunder
I also hate someone who corners you and just hits the same button over and over and over and over. When you resort to cheap methods to win such as that, sure you won.....but you didn't earn it. If you play to win and are so content with winning....I wana know, what do you win by being such a d*ck. If playing online you win 100 matches in a row, you still don't win anything. Why not just be a man a play a gentlemans match in the first place instead of playing the A-hole pokemon card

First of all, read this: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=34747

Now think about what you just said. The only reason why you'd hate someone who "just hits the same button over and over and over and over" is probably because you were the person getting hit over and over and over and over. Here's a question: Why are you letting them do that to you? Are they "cheap" for employing such tactics, or are you an idiot for letting them get away with it every time? (Here's another question: Why don't you block?)

Fighting games aren't supposed to be "gentleman's matches." Their primary and sole purpose is to determine a winner between two (or more) players. If two people agree to ignore this and play under a set of "gentleman's rules" to make the game "fair" for both people, then these people will never improve. Why should everyone else abide by made-up house rules when the game everyone else is playing already has them clearly defined?

Play within the rules of the game. As long as you do this, it is not cheap, cheating or any of that other crap. The simple reason for this is because you can do it too. If you can't, you need more practice.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:46:21 PM »

I also hate someone who corners you and just hits the same button over and over and over and over.

That's a game design flaw, in a properly balanced game there's a way to escape that and most likely put some heavy hurting on the fool who tried using the same attack all the time. In SSBM there's the shoulder buttons for that, dodge through him and you're no longer cornered.

Karl Castaneda #2 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:32:37 AM »

Windy's obviously forgetting that the point of a competition is to find out who has the most refined skills. If you're employing a cheap, bug-induced strategy, then there's no skill involved, and your participation might as well be moot.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:46:16 AM »

I may actually have to listen to this podcast not bloody likely. Sounds like someone might be a scrub.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2007, 11:22:22 AM »

YOU'RE THE SCRUB (unless you listen to the podcast)

WindyMan · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2007, 11:54:26 AM »

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Originally posted by: ViewtifulGamer
Windy's obviously forgetting that the point of a competition is to find out who has the most refined skills. If you're employing a cheap, bug-induced strategy, then there's no skill involved, and your participation might as well be moot.

First of all, there is a huge difference between a bug and getting the most out of a game's set of rules. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 has several bugs, and their exploitation is banned from tournament play. Everything else in the system is fair game. Everyone has access to the same game system, which is why it is not cheap.

The point of competition is not to see who has the most refined skills. It's to see how people apply their skills against an opponent. Look at Super Bowl III. Everyone knew that the Colts would win. There was no way they could lose, considering how much better they were than the Jets. Karl, you're saying that the point of competition to see who is more skilled. Well, the Colts were more skilled. Everyone knew it. You know what happened? The Jets won. How could that be, if by your logic, the winner of a competition is supposed to be one that has more skill?

There's an old adage in sports. "That's why they play the game." Competition's sole purpose is to determine a winner given a set of rules. That's it. Even if you played a great game, it means nothing if you lose it. Even if you were better at a game, if you don't win, who gives a damn? No one remembers who came in second. The whole argument about people being "cheap" stems from the fact that people who lose try to find justification for why the "better" player lost. This happens in sports, too: Blame the referees. Because there's no way it was your own fault that you lost, right?

If you choose insist that certain tactics are "cheap," then you truly know nothing. You do what it takes to win the game. The better player or team doesn't always win because of this. It happens in sports. It happens in games. Accept it.

oohhboy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:04:45 PM »

When I win I feel satisfied. If I am not cheap about it, I am more satisfied. But either way I am satisfied to different extents.

Even if it is a bug, if it is allowed with in the rules set down between competitors, then it is kosher.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:21:11 PM »

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YOU'RE THE SCRUB (unless you listen to the podcast)

I really don't like podcasts, they take a LONG time to play (certainly longer than it would to just read the transcript and even more when you consider how much you could reduce the talk by just taking the important points and removing the rest), they include a lot of useless banter that wastes time and isn't easy to skip, they are audio only which means I'm completely bored most of the time (I don't know about others but I just don't consider myself occupied if I'm just listening to something so I get bored of doing nothing), they're spoken English meaning I have difficulty to understand them and they just waste space since audio is much larger than plain text.

TrueNerd · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2007, 07:39:52 AM »

You don't have to restart Metroid or Castlevania games to see all the endings. When you beat the game, you can restart from the last save point right before the end boss, go find the stuff you missed and beat the end boss again and voila, best ending.

NeoThunder · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2007, 12:24:34 PM »

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Now think about what you just said. The only reason why you'd hate someone who "just hits the same button over and over and over and over" is probably because you were the person getting hit over and over and over and over. Here's a question: Why are you letting them do that to you? Are they "cheap" for employing such tactics, or are you an idiot for letting them get away with it every time? (Here's another question: Why don't you block?)

Fighting games aren't supposed to be "gentleman's matches." Their primary and sole purpose is to determine a winner between two (or more) players. If two people agree to ignore this and play under a set of "gentleman's rules" to make the game "fair" for both people, then these people will never improve. Why should everyone else abide by made-up house rules when the game everyone else is playing already has them clearly defined?

Play within the rules of the game. As long as you do this, it is not cheap, cheating or any of that other crap. The simple reason for this is because you can do it too. If you can't, you need more practice.

First of all, of course i'm not the one doing the punching and kicking to someone in a corner where they don't have a chance. If i'm doing it, obviously I have nothing to complain about. Second, if i'm doing it and then complain about people doing it, that would make me a hypocrit...and I can assure you I like to walk away from a game feeling like I "EARNED" the win rather than stole it.

It is not uncommon for people to want to have the upper hand in some way. When playing a game, just about all games that is what your trying to do. If it's getting certain weapons so you have them and the other team doesn't. What is cheap and wrong is when you somehow would start the game and you already have those weapons, and the other team doesn't. That is cheap, that is cheating, and it is wrong.

Why do people have such an urge to do this. If your in it to win something great, such a money. That would compell probley a lot of people, people who probley wouldn't normally cheat, to use whatever means to achieve a win, even if those means are "cheap". We all agree what cheating is, the arguement is cheapness. Just like people think using and exploiting glitches in a game is fair. How is it fair? Because you know about it and other people don't. Because anyone can do it, if they now how and sit there and pratice enough to figure out how to do it.......just like you had to in order to exploit it!!!!! I continue to not understand why someone would like nothing more than to always start out a game and right off the bat things are not equal. They win nothing from it other than the satisfaction of knowing the other person didn't have a fun or fair game. So ya, if you feel you need to always employ cheap tactics and glitches, you have no skill....absolutly none. After all it takes no skill the keep hitting the same button over and over. It takes no skill if you are somehow amune to attacks. ohh ya, it also takes absolutly NO CLASS!!!!! to be a cheap-ass-gamer.

also, i hope if for whatever reason you get in a fight with someone, they employ cheap tactics and kick you right in the balls.......after all, if you can do it, it must be fair

WindyMan · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2007, 05:27:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: NeoThunder
First of all, of course i'm not the one doing the punching and kicking to someone in a corner where they don't have a chance. If i'm doing it, obviously I have nothing to complain about. Second, if i'm doing it and then complain about people doing it, that would make me a hypocrit...and I can assure you I like to walk away from a game feeling like I "EARNED" the win rather than stole it.

It is not uncommon for people to want to have the upper hand in some way. When playing a game, just about all games that is what your trying to do. If it's getting certain weapons so you have them and the other team doesn't. What is cheap and wrong is when you somehow would start the game and you already have those weapons, and the other team doesn't. That is cheap, that is cheating, and it is wrong.

What are you talking about? Everyone has access to the same "weapons." It's just that some people are experienced enough to know how to use them. If I played a game for three years more than you have, is it cheap or cheating that I know how to use nine characters, and you only know how to use one? Will you complain if I beat you with nine different characters? Or will you call me cheap because I never gave you the chance to win? (Why would I?)

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Why do people have such an urge to do this. If your in it to win something great, such a money. That would compell probley a lot of people, people who probley wouldn't normally cheat, to use whatever means to achieve a win, even if those means are "cheap". We all agree what cheating is, the arguement is cheapness. Just like people think using and exploiting glitches in a game is fair. How is it fair? Because you know about it and other people don't. Because anyone can do it, if they now how and sit there and pratice enough to figure out how to do it.......just like you had to in order to exploit it!!!!! I continue to not understand why someone would like nothing more than to always start out a game and right off the bat things are not equal. They win nothing from it other than the satisfaction of knowing the other person didn't have a fun or fair game. So ya, if you feel you need to always employ cheap tactics and glitches, you have no skill....absolutly none. After all it takes no skill the keep hitting the same button over and over. It takes no skill if you are somehow amune to attacks. ohh ya, it also takes absolutly NO CLASS!!!!! to be a cheap-ass-gamer.

Just because you know how to take advantage of a game system doesn't mean you're automatically always going to win. In Capcom vs SNK 2, an exploit known as roll canceling allows special moves to be invincible. (Example) I can't do it as well as some people, and I've played CvS2 for more than five years. But that sure looks like the way to an easy victory, doesn't it?

So what happens when both people use roll cancel? Is the winner of the match legitimate? You can't say no, because both people are experienced enough to use every tool available in the game. If that's the case, you can say that the use of roll canceling can still determine a true winner. And if one person uses it and the other person doesn't? Why is that any different than me beating you with a different character? I know more about a game than you do, so it would naturally follow that I would have an easier path to victory. How can that be considered cheap?

If you think all you need to do to win is to learn the exploits and tricks of a game, you are sorely mistaken. Like I said, it's all about how you apply your knowledge against an opponent. If you lose, then you need to improve your skills against that opponent. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

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also, i hope if for whatever reason you get in a fight with someone, they employ cheap tactics and kick you right in the balls.......after all, if you can do it, it must be fair

Every time I lose in a fighting game, I analyze what my opponent did right and what I did wrong. Did he do something "cheap?" If he did, it's up to me to figure out how to avoid getting into it the next time. I don't complain about it and continue to get my butt kicked by the same tactic. You need to learn how to adapt to opponents in fighting games.

NeoThunder · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2007, 10:06:15 PM »

Well, my response was trying to encompass all games, not just one-on-one fighting games. If you had that mindset that thats what I was talking about, I can understand why you didn't understand me. Cause from my perspective your answer didn't make any sense.

I was thinking more in terms of halo 2, in that if one team started out with weapons the other team didn't have, that would be wrong. If one team fought to get to "the good weapons" grabbed them up and had them while the other team didn't......that would be fair cause each team had an equal chance from the begining.

If you had played a fighting game for three years and were real good at it......I never said that was cheating or being cheap!!!!!! If you were able to beat me with any character and I haven't played that game a lot....if I managed to win I would call it luck, there would be no reason to allow me to win. I was speaking about methods that require no skill (like cornering someone and using the same kick over and over, where even hitting a block button doesn't help). Or exploiting something like your roll canceling where developers overlooked a flaw in the game that weilds an unfair advantage. LISTEN TO THE KEY WORDS I JUST SAID!!!!!. A gllitch that weilds an unfair advantage and is usually unknown to the common player.

So it comes back to the question, "if your so good at a game", why would you need to exploit a glitch that allows you to be invunerable to enemy attacks. Your statement about both people using the same glitch is dumb.....cause they are both playing by the same rules.

How about this for a question. Say you are fighting someone and you have to use the "cheap" tactics to try and win. For the sake of arguement lets say it's ok with the other guy. Suppose that dispite your cheating, you get your ass kicked. Wouldn't you agree that he would be seen as a better player because he was able to defeat you even though you had the advantage of cheapness. Lets say you didn't use the cheap method, and he beat you......you would say he was a good player, but he's even better since he was able to beat you even though you tried to cheat and still couldn't win. So if thats true......the opposite must also be true.

And my wise crack about if you were to get in a fight.....that was a real life senario. Like if you got into an arguement or physical altercation with someone, and they decided to kick you square in the balls, and maybe even kicked you while you were curled up on the ground. Would that be fair because it was there and they could exploit it?

I think all in all, you are not the popular opinion on this. The attitude of "anything to win" even if that means exploiting glitches. We all want to win, just some of us want to win at the expense of a fair game, not an unbalance one.

Entroper · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:47:11 PM »

Cheapness is fair because anyone can do it. But that doesn't mean it's not lame.

If your only goal in playing games is to win, I feel sorry for you, I really do. I play games to have fun. Do I usually have more fun when I win? Probably, but how fun is it to just repeat the same exploit over and over again, and win with no effort? Not much in my opinion.

The fact that cheapness sometimes takes a lot of practice to be able to pull off doesn't make it any less lame, either. If you've practiced some exploit, be it wavedashing, snaking, whatever, to the point where you can pull it off flawlessly anytime you want, well, I think you've just wasted an enormous amount of time. The rest of us have better things to do with our lives. The time that I do put into a game is spent trying to be good at the whole game, not good at one or two exploited features.

One could argue that in a tournament setting, this all goes out the window, since the goal is to win the prize at any cost. I still say this is BS. Games are supposed to be fun whether there are prizes involved or not, otherwise why even have a tournament? If a contest isn't supposed to be fun, I'd rather it be a contest of doing something productive.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2007, 12:06:52 AM »

A good game doesn't have cheapness. Cheapness, aka imbalance, is often only perceived because someone doesn't know the correct way to respond (some people consider spamming a single move cheap while serious players would just cope and trash the fool who tried that). For a game to develop a tournament scene it can't have "I win" moves that can't be defeated. There's a way out of any situation, though some require quite difficult maneuvers.

The rules of a game are those that are programmed in. Most people who play the game seriously know all of the visible and invisible rules of a game and know when to use what exploit. Any tournament-level player will know about all exploits and any tournament level game won't include unbalancing exploits since imba games don't get played that seriously.

For example during an SSBM match a friend kept using Pikachu's lightning. At first he hit us all the time with it, then I learned how to cope and all he got from spamming that move more was a severe beating. If a game had an unbeatable imbalance noone would play it seriously so since these games are played there's guaranteed to be a way to avoid and return a "cheap" attack. If you can't do it you may not have figured the correct response out.

So in summary: Stop whining about imba and LERN 2 PLAY N00B!

NeoThunder · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2007, 08:21:04 AM »

I wouldn't say what i'm doing is whining....I'm stating my case because for a lot of these people don't know when to stop. If you were to use the thinking," anyone can do it". Well, then that means just about anything goes doesn't it. It means glitches are ok, modded consoles that allow your charater to do things that were never in the game to begin with, and then above that is interferring with the network and controlling data packets that deny the other player from really playing in a sense, giving you all the more power and ability to win a match without any work at all. Probley most of us would agree what I said is outright cheating, but when you think of it in terms of "anybody can do it".......like anybody who understands programing can mod their console, and anybody who understands networking can screw with the network in his favor. When it comes down to a battle of crap outside of the game, your not even playing the game anymore.

Listen carefully, A Cheat is.....any modification or exploitation of a glitch in a game that weilds an unfair advantage to a team, an unfair advantage that would normally not be there.

A Glitch is......any fault in the game that requires a player to go out of his way of normal play to behave in an odd way usually giving them an advantage that developers forgot to correct during development. Glitches are usually difficult to pull off and generally take those who exploit it lots of practice to be achieve the ablility.

A Cheater is...... any moron who has read what I said but still doesn't understand and/or disagrees and still wants to achieve a win by any means possible in a public arena. If I never have to run into these people it would be too soon.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:07:24 AM »

In a tournament you're playing on their hardware anyway so modding wouldn't be possible.

Exploiting is different from changing the hard and software, exploits are in the game already. Some aren't even really glitches, some just use movement physics in ways not intended. E.g. when would you call something snaking? Are you just going to ban all forms of powerslide boosts? What about streafe running in an FPS? Are you going to ban pressing two directions at once? Would you employ a group of judges to decide when something looks like abuse vs. normal play? Especially when everyone does it at that level anyway?

And hell, how do you know what's an exploit and what isn't? Case in point: Arena Wars had a bug that allowed teleporting near the enemy flag and teleporting away immediately. People started using it and the developer decided to just balance the bug to be part of the gameplay. In Quake the rocket jump was an exploit, in Team Fortress it was a critical part of your repertoire.

A Glitch is......any fault in the game that requires a player to go out of his way of normal play to behave in an odd way usually giving them an advantage that developers forgot to correct during development. Glitches are usually difficult to pull off and generally take those who exploit it lots of practice to be achieve the ablility.

It's trivially easy to hold two directions down in an FPS to strafe run. That allows you to run faster than normal and even jump across gaps you aren't supposed to cross. How do you ban that?

Powerslides and boosts are pretty much mandatory if you want to win in MK. How many of them can you use before you are snaking?

Parrying in fighting games often takes just as much if not more skill to pull off than most exploits, would you ban them, too?

A Cheater is...... any moron who has read what I said but still doesn't understand and/or disagrees and still wants to achieve a win by any means possible in a public arena. If I never have to run into these people it would be too soon.

A n00b is a player who cannot cope with certain elements of a game and decides to declare rules that forbid them so he can win against players that can handle those elements. In the real world ignorance isn't strength. What you play is the game on the disc, not some imaginary game some people believe they are playing. The real game has strafe running, snaking, wavedashing, etc and people found that the skill necessary to use these to their maximum extend increases the challenge of the game and makes it more interesting for tournament play.

NeoThunder · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:30:24 AM »

Well, clearly someone who didn't read or didn't understand what I said.....

anyone next?

WindyMan · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2007, 10:03:26 AM »

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Listen carefully, A Cheat is.....any modification or exploitation of a glitch in a game that weilds an unfair advantage to a team, an unfair advantage that would normally not be there.

A Glitch is......any fault in the game that requires a player to go out of his way of normal play to behave in an odd way usually giving them an advantage that developers forgot to correct during development. Glitches are usually difficult to pull off and generally take those who exploit it lots of practice to be achieve the ablility.

A Cheater is...... any moron who has read what I said but still doesn't understand and/or disagrees and still wants to achieve a win by any means possible in a public arena. If I never have to run into these people it would be too soon.

I think you're the one that doesn't understand. The whole point of the discussion is "cheapness," which is not the same as cheating. Cheating is the deliberate attempt to gain an unfair advantage by way of game modification. "Cheap" is the term applied to game acts that someone believes is an unfair means of playing the game, when in fact it is usually completely legal within the game rules. Cheapness does not lead to cheating, because cheapness doesn't exist in the first place. The term "cheap" is something made up by people who lose to legitimately better players. There is no definite line of what's cheap and what's not, so there can be no definition of what's cheap and what isn't.

Just because everyone can have access to a game's system, and everyone can have access to cheating methods, doesn't mean the full exploitation of both are one in the same. If you don't do anything to modify the game that is presented to you, it's not cheating, and therefore, not wrong or immoral. On top of that, it takes skill and practice to know how to take advantage of most of these game exploits, so it's certainly not as easy as some people make it out. Furthermore, if certain game exploits render a game totally unfair and unplayable for everyone (whether everyone uses it or not), then that's a sign that the game in question is not a very good one. Who in their right mind would want to keep playing a game full of bugs?

People will always try to take advantage of the rules in any competitive game. You can push these rules to the limit, but people who play legitimately will never break them. If you break the rules, you're a cheater.

Entroper · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2007, 12:41:25 PM »

I see my points have been passed over completely. I'll try one more time.

By my definition, a "cheap" exploit is one that makes the game less fun. Cheapness makes the game less fun for the person doing it, and less fun for other players as well. I could spend hours practicing snaking in F-Zero GX so that I could snake past all the computer opponents and easily win every race on Expert, but what's the fun in that? What would be the fun of snaking vs. my friends? They'd see that I was exploiting a bug in the game's physics (which is what snaking in F-Zero IS, a bug - powersliding in Mario Kart 64 was put into the game on purpose) and get bored of losing very quickly. Now, you're going to make the point that they should instead learn how to snake, but now you're playing a different game. Instead of seeing who's better at racing, you're seeing who's better at snaking. Is this still a fair game? Sure, in the sense that anyone can learn how to snake, and snaking done well is equally beneficial to whichever player is doing it. Is it still a fun game? I guess some people think so. I think racing is a lot MORE fun.

I don't think cheapness and cheating are the same thing. I think both are lame, with cheating obviously being more lame. At least if you're being cheap, you still have some respect for the rules of the game. But you can still make a distinction between "the letter of the rules" and "the spirit of the rules." In Formula 1 racing, for example, teams have been penalized for violating the spirit of the rules, even if what they did is perfectly acceptable according to the exact, precise definitions of what was laid out in the rules. If rules (or game mechanics) are designed to allow certain kinds of behavior, but written such that a small loophole exists which allows unexpectedly advantageous behavior, exploiting these loopholes are both cheap and lame.

NeoThunder · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2007, 03:55:27 PM »

ahh....What the hell is snaking?

I'm sorry i'm not a cheater so i'm not down with all the cheater speak.

Entroper · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2007, 05:42:40 PM »

Snaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9jipVR-lVs

I think the game gives you a slight speed boost when you come out of a slip, to somewhat counter the momentum lost while you're slipping. This was meant to lessen the penalty for sliding around sharp corners, but players exploited it by constantly weaving back and forth for an entire stage to build up speed.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2007, 06:33:23 PM »

Well, clearly someone who didn't read or didn't understand what I said.....

I read and understood it, I think it's bullsh#t.

By my definition, a "cheap" exploit is one that makes the game less fun. Cheapness makes the game less fun for the person doing it, and less fun for other players as well. I could spend hours practicing snaking in F-Zero GX so that I could snake past all the computer opponents and easily win every race on Expert, but what's the fun in that?

The computer will never use exploits. When you're playing against a human opponent snaking will no longer mean that you are faster than him, it means that you can keep up.

Instead of seeing who's better at racing, you're seeing who's better at snaking. Is this still a fair game? Sure, in the sense that anyone can learn how to snake, and snaking done well is equally beneficial to whichever player is doing it. Is it still a fun game? I guess some people think so. I think racing is a lot MORE fun.

Do you think you don't have to race properly when snaking? That may apply to a vs. CPU match but against a human player who will be just as fast as you you'll still have to perform all the other tricks of racing while snaking.

ahh....What the hell is snaking?

You know those sparks you can get during a powerslide in Mario Kart (DD at least) that allow you to get a boost once you let go of the powerslide button? Using that even when you aren't in a curve that needs powersliding. Obviously speed boosts are good so you should use it as often as possible even in the normal game, you'd need some arbitrary rule about how many powerslides are permitted per round or where they are permitted to stop snaking.

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