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The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« on: February 19, 2007, 06:08:36 PM »
The disbanding of Capcom's most recognizable studio isn't as bad as you think.

Gamasutra recently talked to Capcom's Charles Bellfield, who is the company's vice president of marketing in the USA.  He engages in a rather large interview, but the most interesting part of it is exactly what happened at Clover Studio.    


As it turns out, Clover was something of an anomaly at Capcom.  The company doesn't normally partition its development talent into teams, but instead puts them where they are needed for however long they are needed on a project-to-project basis.  According to Bellfield, the Clover group was a “separate entity" with a “separate identity."  They even had a floor in Capcom's 16-story Osaka headquarters all to themselves.    


So why did the studio close?  By now, the story is clear.  Bellfield sums up what we already know:    


"Our games need to at least break even and add value back to our shareholders, so it's impossible to make games that are not profitable over and over again. What actually happened is [Shinji] Mikami-san, [Hideki] Kamiya-san and [Atsushi] Inaba-san chose to leave the company and do something else..."    


But here's something that people may have not realized:    


“...and the rest of the Clover team was just incorporated back into the rest of Capcom's development talent pool. So in fact, while three individuals left, Clover Studios as a separate entity was merged back into the rest of the Capcom teams and today, still, the talent we had, with the exception of three people, is still remaining at Capcom."    


There were about 80 people working under the Clover Studio banner, and although the three that left were pretty good, it takes a lot more than three people to make games as wonderful as Viewtiful Joe or Okami.  All of those hands are still working at Capcom, and are no doubt working on something else that's really good.    


But what of Kamiya, Inaba and Mikami, the three men who defined Clover Studios?  You may have heard that they recently created their own independent development studio, Seeds, and are asking for help to make some "preposterously amazing" games.  Considering that Clover made some preposterously amazing games of their own, it looks like Seeds will pick up where Clover left off.    


Although the closure of Clover Studio can be considered a great tragedy, it's not because we'll never see games the ones they made again.  Capcom still has the core of Clover, and the big three that made Clover Studio what it was are looking to bounce back with creations of their own.  Let's all hope that this is one step backward and two steps forward in the grand scheme of things.

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RE: The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2007, 07:02:57 PM »
The rest of the team doesn't matter, japanese developers are replaceable and can adapt to "foreign" styles quickly. With a western team that wouldn't work so well because each artist has his own style and slight discrepancies will always pop up but you'll often see western developers talk about how Japanese games look like they were made by one person (i.e. completely coherent style). I guess they handle game developers like anime animators.

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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2007, 11:20:21 PM »
I agree with KDR, this is not likely to have any impact of the quality of other Capcom games. Chances are many of the employees of Clover will never even have the chance to work with one another again.
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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 12:23:09 AM »
Unfortunatly, it's Capcom that says Wii is a kiddie system. Don't expect any shiny awesome games from them.

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RE: The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 03:38:57 AM »
A game doesn't need gore to be shiny awesome. Also what Capcom says has no effect on what Seed does, they're now independent.

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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2007, 03:53:19 AM »
Name a game Capcom did that was decent that didn't have gore, that didn't have the Clover name. I'm all for games like Mario Sunshine and other pipeline "kiddie" games, but that's not something Capcom does best.  

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RE: The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2007, 05:02:52 AM »
Um, hello, Megaman?

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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2007, 05:07:25 AM »
And Megaman has had a great run on next gen systems.....

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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2007, 05:23:40 AM »
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And Megaman has had a great run on next gen systems.....


Point made.

It could be ONE person leaving the team but if all of the ingenuity and ideas came out of that person's head then what made Clover Studios is now gone.

But agreed that we shouldn't care anyway. Capcom has been a giant douche about Wii support so if the talent leaves Capcom to do their own thing, it IS better for us Wii owners.
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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2007, 06:47:29 AM »
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Name a game Capcom did that was decent that didn't have gore, that didn't have the Clover name. I'm all for games like Mario Sunshine and other pipeline "kiddie" games, but that's not something Capcom does best.


both Phoenix Wright games
both Power Stone games
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...ok, there aren't many, but there are some.

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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 07:31:03 AM »
I don't see any of those coming to Wii. Possibly, Wright....but I doubt it.

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RE: The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2007, 07:50:43 AM »
Wiinix Wright would be awesome, using the engine from Elebits for forensics especially.
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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2007, 08:34:07 AM »
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Wiinix Wright would be awesome, using the engine from Elebits for forensics especially.


I don't know why, but I laughed when I read that...

Maybe its just the idea of Phoenix hunting for Elebits while the middle of a court session.

It won't likely happen, though. The PW series seem to be primarily handheld based. I will be surprised if they update it for the Wii.
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RE: The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2007, 08:49:57 AM »
True, especially considering they're on the DS because they're an easy port from the GBA versions.
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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2007, 08:54:20 AM »
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Name a game Capcom did that was decent that didn't have gore, that didn't have the Clover name. I'm all for games like Mario Sunshine and other pipeline "kiddie" games, but that's not something Capcom does best.


Lost Planet is another game, I believe it is only rated Teen because it is not even close to being gory unless blowing up bugs is gory.
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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2007, 08:58:45 AM »
You honeslty think that's the type of game Capcom would consider for Wii after what they've said? Please....

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2007, 08:59:59 AM »
I love Capcom, always have, but since they've snubbed Wii I can't see a future for them with Nintendo.

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RE: The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2007, 02:13:29 PM »
Capcom also made the last three *new* handheld Zelda games: Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons and Minish Cap.  All three were great.

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RE:The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2007, 02:18:29 PM »
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You honeslty think that's the type of game Capcom would consider for Wii after what they've said? Please....


We'll see, it definately is not one of their mature rated franchises. They are already putting RE on the Wii along with at least another M game, so why is it far fetched for Lost Planet?
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2007, 03:22:36 PM »
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix They are already putting RE on the Wii along with at least another M game, so why is it far fetched for Lost Planet?


Wait, which other game?
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2007, 03:26:31 PM »
Maybe she's talking about Okami?

Other than that, I don't recall any other Wii game from Capcom...
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2007, 04:53:02 PM »
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix They are already putting RE on the Wii along with at least another M game, so why is it far fetched for Lost Planet?


Wait, which other game?


I could have sworn I read that Resident Evil and some unnounced game were going to be M rated?
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RE: The Final Word on Clover's Closure
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2007, 07:03:30 PM »
I want a Wii version of Phoenix Drive.

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2007, 06:13:23 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2007, 06:19:04 AM »
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix I could have sworn I read that Resident Evil and some unnounced game were going to be M rated?


Sounds good, if it's true.

And although I'm not a Megaman fan, I'd probably still buy a reinvention of the MM franchise in 3D with the Wiimote.
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