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Ruminations on the Next Generation
« on: February 14, 2007, 01:31:26 AM »
Okay, we've had 2.5 successful launches and are officially knee-deep in the current generation. None of the consoles has even begun to reach its full potential. So, what better time to start talking about the next generation? A few thoughts:

Nintendo to get in early

Why not? Nintendo's always been fashionbly late to the party, but this time things are different. Nintendo has created a business model closer to their amazing portable gaming division in which they're reaping profits off of hardware sales straight from launch (and earning good press for their affordability to boot!) and making bank on relatively cheap games. Their need to milk a generation's console for all its worth has been diminished.

In 2010 Nintendo can upgrade their hardware to PS3/360 levels, add HD content and maybe even a player, perfect and expand their motion sensitive technology, add other new innovations to multiply the immersion experience (and perhaps adding a standard controller now that the Wiimote has become accepted), and generally laugh all the way to the bank.

Microsoft Willing to Wait

Microsoft has been watching its gaming division hemmorage money for the better part of a decade now. They've finally broken through and have earned themselves a huge chunk of the gaming pie. In a few years the 360 should finally begin making them some good money. Given that the power of their console likely won't be fully realized for years to come, they will be happy to earn back some of that money while earning the title of king of traditional consoles. Given this, and the huge cost of launching a new monster machine, they'll want to wait as long as possible before starting all over again.

Ultimately, their decision may well come down to:

Sony...huh

Sony's in a bad spot. The PS3 is a dud destined to come in a distant 3rd. It's so expensive that it makes the 360 look like a bargain and, despite legendary production woes, PS3s litter the aisles of electronics retailers across the country a scant few months after launch. Unfortunately for them, they've also sunk a lot of money into the project along with their hopes pushing Blu-Ray onto the world. Even if they are losing a lot of money, it will be years before they're willing to phase it out. What then? Well, the obvious answer is a PS4, but when?

One thing that this generation has proved is that it takes a lot of money to significantly upgrade hardware. That trend isn't likely to change. Sony and Microsoft will either have to wait longer this time around before launching a new round of console wars, sell their new consoles at a huge loss, or pass some of the cost of inflation on to the consumer (which Sony has discovered, will not work).

Sony's entire business model revolves around their dominating the marketplace because they simply do not have the in-house studios to keep a console profitable without being the first choice for developers.   I see them launching another console as early as 2010, 2011 at the latest. Such a gambit may not even work. A world not ready for a new round of amazing hardware (that won't even be much of an improvement) could prove even less successful than the PS3.

However, Microsoft will be ready to roll out a next-gen system of their own if Sony succeeds. If they don't, look for them to wait until 2013-14 to officially begin another new generation followed by Nintendo a year later.

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RE: Ruminations on the Next Generation
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 02:20:29 AM »
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In 2010 Nintendo can upgrade their hardware to PS3/360 levels, add HD content and maybe even a player, perfect and expand their motion sensitive technology, add other new innovations to multiply the immersion experience (and perhaps adding a standard controller now that the Wiimote has become accepted), and generally laugh all the way to the bank.


I think Nintnedo will try to be a bit more radical.  Depending on how much HDTV gets adopted in the next 5 years, Nintendo may have to add HD resolution, but I don't think we'll see power as a major focus for Nintendo ever again.  The company is too budget-conscious, and based on numbers I've seen around the web, it theoretically costs about twice as much to create games for the other consoles just because of the graphical assets.

I'm also not so sure PS3 is doomed to be a distant third.  If the company swallows its pride, a price cut and some major game releases could rejuvinate the system to the point where it will compete nicely with 360.  There's also the Blu-ray wild card: I don't put much faith in it, but on the off-chance Blu-ray does become successful, PS3 could easily take first place.

I agree with your take on Microsoft, but I'm skeptical as to just how much the market wants 360 - the sales so far are not that impressive, especially since 360 is uncontested on the market.  Ironically, Sony's screw-ups may be 360's biggest advantage - a lot of third parties are beginning to copy PS3 exclusives over to Xbox 360.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 02:39:08 AM »
I think sony will pick up the pace as soon as they start pumping out the exclusive triple-A games (Lair, FF13, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, God of War 3, etc).  Not sure if they will be able to catch up to Ninty and Microsith but they should see some success.
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RE:Ruminations on the Next Generation
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 02:48:13 AM »
Personally, I've said before, Nintendo will have a short lifecycle with the Wii and release Wii 2.0 which, as they have already stated, be HD.  Though I don't see them requiring it just stating that its there.  It will also stick with Flash based storage but in a much larger amount, price should drop by then as well as size.  Also support a newer Wireless standard, probably G.

The 360 will probably have a long lifecycle as a brand.  Though I can see MS stopping production on the current version when a new revision of the console comes out that is more reliable, energy efficient, and cheaper to produce to boot.  If all the deals that they are making to become the defacto set top box for IPTV with the XBox 360 comes through expect the 360 penetration level to go up.  Ironically, grabbing more casual gamers.  If they roll Zune Marketplace and Live Marketplace into a coherent whole expect that to be interesting competition for iTunes and iTV.  People will literally be renting 360's to watch TV with.

Sony, *shrug* I have no idea.  I don't know what there planning or the deals they have on the side.  I just don't know at this point.
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RE:Ruminations on the Next Generation
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 03:05:47 AM »
Some good discussion and thoughts here.  But I think some of your thoughts are too early to tell.

Nintendo Releasing new Console Early

This could work, however, Nintendo would have to do certain things to keep from alienating people.

1)  Keep complete 100% backwards compatibility with the original Wii and keep the new console relatively straight forward.  That means a lot of things we would want innovated probably won't happen.  Until the next, next generation system:  examples:
              A) They would need to keep the Wiimotes as the primary control method (but I do like your idea of adding an additional player.
              B)  Any enhancement to the sensor bars should probably be made available for the original Wii as well.
              C)  The system will still need to be priced around $250-300.  In other words, don't release HD capable system until it is extremely cheap to do so...that way upgrading isn't a hassle.

2)  Games released by Nintendo for the new Wii should also be compatible with the original...for the first year or so.  This is important so people know that the basically the Wii 1.5 will not completely replace with Wii, specially since the Wii will most likely have a shortened product life.

3)  A great promotion would be to allow anyone that bought a Wii a $50.00 discount on the purchase of a new system.

Microsoft Will to Wait

I do agree with you on this.  Microsoft should be willing to wait a full 5 years or more for its profits to maximize.  However, it also depends on what the industry is doing in the future.  And Microsoft will remember the only reason it succeeded was jumping into the market before the competition.  The Wii will be in its 4th year life cycle when Microsoft is in its 5th.  Easily allowing it to jump ahead the 6th year with a new Xbox 720 pushing gaming into the future with little to no competition from Nintendo or Sony, unless Nintendo released a Wii 2.0  That being said, we are no putting Wii on a 3 to 4 year life cycle before Nintendo needs to release that 2.0 mentioned above.  And with Nintendo's lower price point structure the new Xbox will look incredible by then and probably also double as a Tivo and full media center for your living room by then.

Sony, The Forgotten Dragon

Why does everyone believe Sony is dead?  They have had a poor launch, but a launch does not declare the victory.  Instead, it just means there will be hardship in the future.  Blu-Ray movies may catch on.  Developers may be swayed by Sony's powerful PS3...the future is not so bleak for Sony as everyone thinks, and they could rise in a year or two to topple Nintendo and Microsoft whom were complacent.  

I just think it is too early to say Sony is screwed itself completely.



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RE:Ruminations on the Next Generation
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 03:27:14 AM »
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Some good discussion and thoughts here.  But I think some of your thoughts are too early to tell.

Nintendo Releasing new Console Early

This could work, however, Nintendo would have to do certain things to keep from alienating people.

1)  Keep complete 100% backwards compatibility with the original Wii and keep the new console relatively straight forward.  That means a lot of things we would want innovated probably won't happen.  Until the next, next generation system:  examples:
              A) They would need to keep the Wiimotes as the primary control method (but I do like your idea of adding an additional player.
              B)  Any enhancement to the sensor bars should probably be made available for the original Wii as well.
              C)  The system will still need to be priced around $250-300.  In other words, don't release HD capable system until it is extremely cheap to do so...that way upgrading isn't a hassle.

2)  Games released by Nintendo for the new Wii should also be compatible with the original...for the first year or so.  This is important so people know that the basically the Wii 1.5 will not completely replace with Wii, specially since the Wii will most likely have a shortened product life.

3)  A great promotion would be to allow anyone that bought a Wii a $50.00 discount on the purchase of a new system.

Microsoft Will to Wait

I do agree with you on this.  Microsoft should be willing to wait a full 5 years or more for its profits to maximize.  However, it also depends on what the industry is doing in the future.  And Microsoft will remember the only reason it succeeded was jumping into the market before the competition.  The Wii will be in its 4th year life cycle when Microsoft is in its 5th.  Easily allowing it to jump ahead the 6th year with a new Xbox 720 pushing gaming into the future with little to no competition from Nintendo or Sony, unless Nintendo released a Wii 2.0  That being said, we are no putting Wii on a 3 to 4 year life cycle before Nintendo needs to release that 2.0 mentioned above.  And with Nintendo's lower price point structure the new Xbox will look incredible by then and probably also double as a Tivo and full media center for your living room by then.

Sony, The Forgotten Dragon

Why does everyone believe Sony is dead?  They have had a poor launch, but a launch does not declare the victory.  Instead, it just means there will be hardship in the future.  Blu-Ray movies may catch on.  Developers may be swayed by Sony's powerful PS3...the future is not so bleak for Sony as everyone thinks, and they could rise in a year or two to topple Nintendo and Microsoft whom were complacent.  

I just think it is too early to say Sony is screwed itself completely.


Yep, thats why I personally said that I just don't know about Sony.  Not remotely enough information.

Now on Wii 2.0,  I personally just invision the Wii smaller with HDMI cables, a memory and speed boost to get it to HD.  Besides that all the underlying APIs and assembly stuff would be exactly the same.  Making it perfectly viable to make Wii games even during the Wii 2.0 lifecycle.  Fact of the matter some games could be compatible with both if they keep the same Media where they Wii 2.0 the game would take advantage of the extra horsepower to go to Hi-Def.  Though I do think they'll lose the GCN ports.  Probably relegate them to an add on by that point, GCN Port extension bar.  Even better yet, Legacy Support Extension Bar, with Game Boy/Gameboy  player abilities as well.
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RE: Ruminations on the Next Generation
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 04:25:06 AM »
I think it's way to early to think about next gen because we don't really know what worked and what didn't this gen yet.  For example the Wii has not had a deep epic game made from the ground up for the remote yet.  Twilight Princess is a Gamecube game and the other first party titles aren't epic.  We need to see how Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 play like first.  I think we also have to see if interest in the Wii remains strong.  Right now it's the hip new thing but we don't know what kind of staying power it has yet.  The remote is still new and different.  Once it becomes routine will still be as fun?  Are non-gamers going to stick around for the long term or is it just a fad to them?  The first year and a bit of the Wii life is important for determining what's working and what isn't and thus what Nintendo should focus on for their next console.

Though the next Nintendo console has to support HD.  The Wii should have and by the next gen it will be a required feature for anything that connects to a TV.

And Nintendo shouldn't have to rely on a previous gen game to carry their launch lineup next time.  They should plan ahead a little more.

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 04:28:03 AM »
Ceric:  personally, I expect Nintendo to find a fix around the classic controller to get GameCube controller support for them.

The Wii Classic controller literally has every feature of the Cube controller and there should be no reason Nintendo can't find some means to trick the GameCube components of the Wii into allowing the Classic Controller to work.

I haven't quite decided what I think of a Wii 2.0 in 2-3 years.  In a sense I think it is brilliant, as Nintendo would have released a system that has attracted many new supporters, but kept gaming inexpensive...until the market was truly ready to move to HD gaming.  But, I don't want to be buying another expensive system again.  

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 04:48:32 AM »
I think releasing a Wii 2.0 in 2-3 years is f*cking over your customer Sega-style.  As hardware differences become less obvious consoles should be lasting longer than ever.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 04:59:07 AM »
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I think releasing a Wii 2.0 in 2-3 years is f*cking over your customer Sega-style.  As hardware differences become less obvious consoles should be lasting longer than ever.


I look at it a bit more akin to Nintendo upgrading the Gameboy -> Gameboy Color -> Gameboy Advanced -> DS -> Whatever replaces the DS with PSP+ level graphics in a couple of years.

By holding back the graphical leap between Gamecube and Wii and not supporting HD, Nintendo has built in a way for them to significantly improve their product in a couple of years without it being that much of a hastle to the consumer because the product will be affordable.

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RE:Ruminations on the Next Generation
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 05:05:05 AM »
I agree that it's too early to be discussing the next gen. There isn't enough to go on right now. I've stated my thoughts on PS3. I'm not writing off just yet. I'm definitely unimpressed with what Sony has done this far. However, they're hanging in there. They have the 3rd parties and some really impressive games in the pipeline. Final Fantasy XIII is supposedly still set for 2007 in Japan.

Microsoft is going to have think of something new, rather than trying to one up Sony. I don't have much more to say about them. I do see them releasing a smaller, less prone to exploding 360 in the future. I think we'll see both MS and Sony back with new consoles by 2011 and I think they'll be looking to follow Nintendo's lead by trying to add create a new way to play. One of them is probably going to think it's a good idea to attempt a VR helmet....

I'm worried that Nintendo will push the successor to Wii too soon. I think they can hold off until at least late 2010, but I hope they stick to their 5 year cycle. Still, Nintendo should be able to release an HD console more powerful than either PS3 and 360 in a few years for under $300. I think at that point, Nintendo will finally get what they've always wanted: a time when graphics really don't matter. Regardless, the most exciting part about Nintendo's next console is what they're going to do with their controller. Developers have said the lack of buttons is too limiting. Is there a way for Nintendo to eliminate the classic controller yet keep its functionality? Of course, add more buttons and maybe an analog stick might help (imagine playing with 2 remotes). I think a more important question is: what else can they include to provide a more interactive experience? I think everyone wants to see how they can top themselves.

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 05:07:27 AM »
Nintendo has always had five-year consoles (except for the NES).  The Super NES was 1991, the N64 was 1996, the GameCube was 2001, and the Wii in 2006.

Not necessarily saying that the Wii must necessarily last until 2011 where it will be replaced with the next one.  (Though I'm confused about the predictions in the first post...first it says that Nintendo will be early, but then it's saying it'll be a year later than the others in 2013-2014 by the end of that post?)  The prediction that the next Nintendo will be 2014-2015 is nuts, considering that if they kept their five-year lifespan, we'd be seeing the console AFTER next in 2016.

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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 05:10:33 AM »
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(Though I'm confused about the predictions in the first post...first it says that Nintendo will be early, but then it's saying it'll be a year later than the others in 2013-2014 by the end of that post?)


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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 05:25:11 AM »
That makes more sense.

Everyone thinks the Wii will be obsoleted earlier because of the lack of high-def graphics.  But because of the novelty of the Wii controls, since it seems to have proven itself (I think), or at least should be more than just a fad, Nintendo should be able to have it last as long as usual.  The N64 and GameCube were in the shadow of the PlayStations, and also had very little in each of their last years, but Nintendo still didn't cut them short to four years.  If the Wii is on top this generation, it's possible games will still be developed for it even after the release of the next Nintendo console (more likely so if it's backwards-compatible with Wii games) - so unless everybody can afford a good TV and suddenly demands high-def graphics, the competition won't force Nintendo to move ahead early.

The five-year "rule" is boggling.  I'm having trouble imagining myself as an old geezer, explaining to my grandkids about the differences between over a dozen Nintendo consoles that must seem like a blur of old stuff to them.  I can certainly tell the difference between NES and Super NES-like graphics, and even Super NES and Genesis graphics, but our grandkids might not be able to.  It would be awesome though if the Wii does become historically recognized as changing the landscape of games forever (though I'm thinking my grandkids might find it primitive).  And in several years, who knows what control setups there'll be...maybe the Wii will be forgotten when something else insanely different takes over.  I can't comprehend that.  Like that PS9 commercial with the video games being snorted up your nose and interfacing with your brain directly.

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2007, 05:29:15 AM »
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I agree with your take on Microsoft, but I'm skeptical as to just how much the market wants 360 - the sales so far are not that impressive, especially since 360 is uncontested on the market.  Ironically, Sony's screw-ups may be 360's biggest advantage - a lot of third parties are beginning to copy PS3 exclusives over to Xbox 360.


I agree, and if VGCharts is to be believed, the Wii now officially has more than half the marketshare of the 360.

I also can't help but think that the 360's slowing sales are more than likely due to the Wii and how it's turning heads away from the traditional style of gaming.

But on the subject, is MS actually profitable yet?
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 06:28:48 AM »
I remember around the DS launch, many people were saying that Nintendo should/would release a new Game Boy or DS2 in three years or so, mainly because of the power difference between the DS and the PSP. Now, it looks like the DS could easily last three more years, and maybe even more than that. When it's all said and done, that console will have staggering lifetime sales.

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 06:38:04 AM »
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I look at it a bit more akin to Nintendo upgrading the Gameboy -> Gameboy Color -> Gameboy Advanced -> DS -> Whatever replaces the DS with PSP+ level graphics in a couple of years.


No, no no no no no. Portables are like cell phones: it's a little more acceptable to replace them in a few years. Nintendo can get away with that in the portable market (though people STILL weren't entire happy about going from the Advance to the SP and then the DS phat/Lite). However, people expect longevity in their consoles, and a lot of people still think this gen came a little too soon. If Nintendo tried to pull a Gameboy in the console market, I'd predict a huge backlash from consumers and developers alike. Sure, the Wii is going to seem out of date a lot sooner because it started this gen a little out of date, but I think Nintendo's got the guns to stretch it out if they don't pull out of the console early if things sour like they did with N64 and Gamecube. But the Wii needs to last until at least late 2010.

Though I think this is the gen where MS will replace Sony, I don't think it's smart to count Sony out yet. So far they've had a terrible launch, but I think the future of the PS3 is so far more promising than the 360...and even the Wii.

A lot of people don't notice, but even with all the support the Wii is getting the PS3 STILL has more games slated to be released in 2007 than the Wii does. Not to mention there are still a handful of guaranteed hit 3rd party games that are STILL exclusive to it. In my opinion, PS3 hasn't even shown up to play yet. In mid to late 2007, when the standard titles start to pile up and the heavy hitters join the fray, we'll have a better idea of how things will turn out. We could very well see the PS3 make a major comeback. I'm not going to lie, even I'm saving my money for one; there's no way I'm not playing FFXIII and FFXIII versus, though I'm still hoping they'll be ported to the 360 because they're the only games I see myself buying a PS3 for.

Nope, PS3 is still an entity to be feared, as developers are STILL holding their major titles for it. But, if the Wii can somehow weather that storm (Nintendo needs to start making some big announcements NOW), then the Wii will have this gen in the bag, and Xbox 360 will piggyback to second place.  

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2007, 06:38:06 AM »
Though I like forward to the Micro Wii Slim Lite.  Much like the GBA Micro feeling the need to go smaller they made the Wii the size of a single DVD Case  
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2007, 09:56:47 AM »
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A lot of people don't notice, but even with all the support the Wii is getting the PS3 STILL has more games slated to be released in 2007 than the Wii does. Not to mention there are still a handful of guaranteed hit 3rd party games that are STILL exclusive to it. In my opinion, PS3 hasn't even shown up to play yet. In mid to late 2007, when the standard titles start to pile up and the heavy hitters join the fray, we'll have a better idea of how things will turn out. We could very well see the PS3 make a major comeback. I'm not going to lie, even I'm saving my money for one; there's no way I'm not playing FFXIII and FFXIII versus, though I'm still hoping they'll be ported to the 360 because they're the only games I see myself buying a PS3 for.


Yeah, but see, for Joe Customer like me (and I may be a Nintendo fan but I own an Xbox and PS1 & PS2, albiet both used) the having a killer game drive system sales relies on the hardware not being significantly more expensive than what most people are comfortable with. If I'm in the mood for Final Fantasy XIII for $60, I'm not going to put down at least $660 just for that experience. You need an array of titles, and by the time that happens, the PS3 will have lost over a year and a half, and it's hard to come back from that in this day and age.

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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2007, 10:13:50 AM »
"Yeah, but see, for Joe Customer like me (and I may be a Nintendo fan but I own an Xbox and PS1 & PS2, albiet both used) the having a killer game drive system sales relies on the hardware not being significantly more expensive than what most people are comfortable with."

I agree.  The PS3 may currently not have that hot of a lineup but that's not the reason it isn't selling so well.  After all the PS2 had a weak launch lineup but it consistency sold well, even before the really good titles showed up.  The PS3 isn't selling because it's too damn expensive.  The Playstation name was strong at the end of the PS2's life so if the price was lower I see no reason why we wouldn't be seeing PS3-mania.

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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2007, 01:58:44 PM »
The PS3 at launch was facing a half-way strong Xbox 360 and the Wii which became the big holiday hit.

The PS2 at launch was facing the struggling Dreamcast and LOZ: MM (and Nintendo didn't release another meaningful thing for like a year after that)

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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2007, 02:01:54 PM »
Well, for me FFXIII is the only game worth purchasing the system for, but that's just because I'm an RPG (Square) nut. There are lots of people who are looking forward to just about all the heavy hitters coming to that system, and the media is going to go crazy over them. PS3 still has a handful of blockbuster titles coming out for the system. Sure, one great game can't justify spending $600 for the system (with some exceptions). But 5 great games that you're sure to not experience anywhere else? Suddenly the price doesn't seem so bad...

Remember, when the PS2 first came out, everyone thought $400 was way too steep. And while the DVD player justified some of it, GAMERS took to the system because of the great games they knew were coming to it down the line.  

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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2007, 02:10:38 PM »
I still don't see the PS3's chances as very good right now.

The GC had some pretty decent titles throughout its lifespan, but the grim truth of the matter is that, when it's a three console race, one console always seems to become the whipping boy of the industry. This was the GC's unfortunate fate last gen and I think that, without a doubt, it's the PS3's this gen.

Don't get me wrong: I'd like to see Sony pull ahead a bit because I would MUCH rather see Sony in 2nd place than MS, but the PS3 is in a position where Sony would need to give it a price drop, drop the standards for HD they're imposing on developers and stop letting their PR monkeys infuriate the entire potential consumer base with every other sentence.

All in all, it just ain't bloody likely.
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RE: Ruminations on the Next Generation
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2007, 02:18:31 PM »
Probably next generation MS will crush everyone and change their name to Skynet. /sad

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RE: Ruminations on the Next Generation
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2007, 02:29:29 PM »
Pittbboi, problems with your Ps2 analogy.

PS2 actually launched at $300.  PS3 is twice that.
People wanted DVD, they don't want Blu-Ray.  nobody cares.  This format war simply does not exist in the minds of consumers.
$600 is still too damn much.  And with "5 great games" that comes to $900.  Jesus, get a new video card.

The idea that the "future games" will sell the PS3 is great, but I would wager that people will wait until those games are actually out.  I am sure quite a few people got burned on FFVII on the N64  (Seriously, they had screenshots of it and they listed it in software companies' pre-order forms for N64 before the switch).  Who knows what could happen?  The future is not certain.  All it should take is a few high-budget titles to bomb to make PS3 development uneasy.  I think it will happen like that.
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