Author Topic: Behold! Maturity! (Read 23668 times)

segagamer12 · « **Reply #50 on:** February 15, 2007, 07:48:23 PM »

So what is the point again? everybody LIKES the game or hates it?

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #51 on:** February 16, 2007, 01:36:15 AM »

The real problem here is the attitude towards sex in America. Is the scene gratuitous, sure, but why is it that way? If America didn't treat sex as such a taboo topic things would never be the way they are.

From the 2 times I went to Europe the number one thing I noticed is a lack of fear over the human body. In Paris billboards featured topless women, there were TV shows in London that contained full frontal nudity of men and women, and you know what, nobody there even batted an eye, it was commonplace.

In America we get way to tense over sex, the human body is something natural, and there is nothing wrong with displaying it. Maybe we should be more concerned about the insane amounts of violence in the game rather than the fact that you see some boobs and Kratos blows his load.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 16, 2007, 05:47:34 AM »

I read all that the debate goes back and forth but what does that have to do with the game?

Its not just America the entire world is depraved right now and some peopel just like to see stupid things, tasteful or not there are a lot of things in ALL societies that are inapropriate and different peoipel have different views. Something as trivial as a boob shot in a video game shoudln't spark this kind of debate going back and forth on historical contect, regardless of what anyone says, the purpose of a video GAME is to entertain and be interactive, never were they *meant* to be an art form, weather or not they now are is debatable I wont argue *either way* but they were not *meant* to be art they were *meant* to be intereactive TOYS.

I have;t played the game in question nor have I seen the videos being debated and I don't have much interest because it is playstation, all I care to know is what does it do to affect the game? does it hurt the game? does it helpt he game? will you enjoy it more or less because of it? If the answer is NO then why all the debate in the first place? If the game offend you in that area forget about it and play adifferent game. If it doesnt bother you then let it go. Peopel have differnt views on right and wrong, tasetful and dirty, good and evil. There is no way to sway one over to the other view. If the game isnt for you dont play it, but thats not a reason to say someone who *isnt* offend cant play it either.

I apologise if I didnt follow the thread to well and am not getting the argument all I read is debates on whast tasetful and whats not but nothign on if the game is hurt or helped by the scene in question. I am not attacking anyone I am just trying to get the point of the debate.

If its justa matter of getting the game an AO or M rating then I wont sweat it cuz I dont care it snot a game I will ever play. I just don't get what all the fuss is.

JonLeung · « **Reply #53 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:58:52 AM »

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Sony objected to minotaurs with exposed phalusses and such.

I haven't played God Of War, but I've seen video reviews, and scenes like the Hydra fight, so I had this bizarre thought stuck in my head for a while of Kratos using his...well, whatever those fiery whip chain weapon things are...to grab onto a giant minotaur's dangling dingdong and then skewering it on something (like the Hydra's head on that ship mast, I think it was). Ow. "Massive damage", indeed! o_0

Kairon · « **Reply #54 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:59:01 AM »

Has the RAT just told us to stop arguing about silly and trivial things?

... I feel pwned.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Deguello · « **Reply #55 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:07:53 AM »

You know the developer held a contest to have some of the fans design some alternate costumes for God of War II.

Aww, isn't that sweet? And look at the amount of foresight this kid has! He is somehow able to have knowledge of the bosses of a game he obviously was not allowed to play, and suggested an alternate costume to a game he'll dream of playing when he turns 17!

Kairon · « **Reply #56 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:23:13 AM »

That doesn't mean anything. I had my mom with me when I bought Conker's Bad Fur day.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Deguello · « **Reply #57 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:28:40 AM »

That's probably why you are so screwed up.

And besides, this goes back to Artimus's original point of youth exploitation.

Kairon · « **Reply #58 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:50:26 AM »

And where's the typical videogame player's rallying cry of "it's the parent's responsibility!" That was such a good 'ol chummy stand by, sad to see it thrown off to the side of the road like that you know...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

denjet78 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 16, 2007, 09:11:54 AM »

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And where's the typical videogame player's rallying cry of "it's the parent's responsibility!" That was such a good 'ol chummy stand by, sad to see it thrown off to the side of the road like that you know...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Current society and culture do not value the family. They value the individual. To be honest, it isn't the parents responsibility to raise their children any longer. That responsibility has been passed to technology. But people will always fall back on the old mainstay that parents are responsible because it's an easy scapegoat so that they don't have to acknowledge the real culprit.

Kairon · « **Reply #60 on:** February 16, 2007, 09:38:29 AM »

So Doom really DID cause Columbine?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

denjet78 · « **Reply #61 on:** February 16, 2007, 09:49:04 AM »

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So Doom really DID cause Columbine?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Considering I doubt the parents actually trained their son in how to blow their classmates away they had to have gotten the idea from somewhere. That's not to say that the kids weren't screwed up before hand but I wouldn't doubt that Doom did play a part, however small it may be, in what happened. All of your experiences make up who you are. Doom may not have been the most important factor but it was a factor.

The problem is, no one is watching these technologies that are now raising their children. And when they are forced to look at them they overreact and look for any scapegoat. Nobody has time for anything any more. Technology is supposed to make your life easier, not harder. In order to maintain that "easier" aspect, people are willing to overlook a lot.

Deguello · « **Reply #62 on:** February 16, 2007, 10:11:51 AM »

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And where's the typical videogame player's rallying cry of "it's the parent's responsibility!"

I'm not your typical videogame player. I am also a psychology major. While I do not believe videogames CAUSE violence and rape and stuff, I am also not saying that they have no effect on a developing child. The delegation of mature content to children should definitely have more scrutiny added to it. Simply saying it is the parent's responsibility is not enough. That is a simple catch-all answer, and I hate simple, catch-all answers.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #63 on:** February 16, 2007, 10:13:56 AM »

I enjoyed watching Commando, Rambo, Missing in Action, Eastwood, and Bronson movies as a 5-year old.

IF THERE'S PEOPLE TO KILL, THEY'D BETTER BE BAD!

Kairon · « **Reply #64 on:** February 16, 2007, 10:21:58 AM »

So, what you guys are saying is...

EVERYONE IS GUILTY! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Blue Plant · « **Reply #65 on:** February 16, 2007, 11:05:17 AM »

I don't believe games like Doom cause violence or murder, but they can be a tipping point. While I have no experience in psychology, I firmly believe that violent games desensitize kids to the content they're exposed to. Now, if only these blood-ridden games came with a method of destroying themselves when you die in game. Only one shot in life, kiddies!

Artimus · « **Reply #66 on:** February 16, 2007, 11:24:08 AM »

I imagine there are some kids who are made more violent by playing violent games. I also imagine there are plenty of violent kids who are made less violent because they act out their aggression digitally.

denjet78 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 16, 2007, 12:00:57 PM »

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I imagine there are some kids who are made more violent by playing violent games. I also imagine there are plenty of violent kids who are made less violent because they act out their aggression digitally.

The point is it's all very complex and individualized. It's a combination of each persons life experiences as well as their perceptions. Everyone sees things differently. Everyone experiences things differently. In the end, it's everyone's fault and no ones. Everyone's because we're so self-absorbed with ourselves that we tend not to see others. And no ones because the only thing that we can ever truly understand is ourselves. We can try to put ourselves in someone else's shoes but in the end it's still ourselves that we are using to gage our understanding. It's simply impossible to be able to completely understand another persons feelings, reasoning, motives.

We can try though, and I think that's where most of the problem lies. We don't try to understand each other anymore. We would rather place blame and move on then actually examine the situation. It's easier than having to dig into yourself for real answers.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #68 on:** February 16, 2007, 12:01:12 PM »

"Current society and culture do not value the family. They value the individual. To be honest, it isn't the parents responsibility to raise their children any longer."

So society has become self-centered and selfish and thus parents are allowed to do a sh!tty job raising their kids? I would say that because our society has become so "me" centric parents have even more responsibility to raise their children to buck the trend and actually care about someone other than themselves. To me that's like excusing someone being lazy because everyone around them is lazy.

denjet78 · « **Reply #69 on:** February 16, 2007, 02:23:58 PM »

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"Current society and culture do not value the family. They value the individual. To be honest, it isn't the parents responsibility to raise their children any longer."

So society has become self-centered and selfish and thus parents are allowed to do a sh!tty job raising their kids? I would say that because our society has become so "me" centric parents have even more responsibility to raise their children to buck the trend and actually care about someone other than themselves. To me that's like excusing someone being lazy because everyone around them is lazy.

Society has actually made it extremely difficult to do more than focus on the self. How many people have jobs now that follow them 24/7? It didn't used to be that way. Before, work was work. You did it and went home. Now we have the internet, cellphones, wireless computers. A lot of families now a days only have one parent which means there's no one at home to raise the kids. Even in families where there are two parents it is becoming common place to see both parents working.

Is that an excuse for bad parenting? No. Is it an explanation? Yes. You can have a great family life, two parents who love you and care for you all your life, and still turn out to be a serial killer. On the other hand, you can be a latch-key kid all your life and still turn out to be a valuable and contributing member of society. To try and minimize the situation to any one aspect is short sighted.

In the end though a great deal of the issue is that society does not place value on the family any longer. The situation is simply getting completely out of hand. Yes parents need to step up to the plate now more than ever but how can you expect them to when most of their lives are now spent just trying to maintain a lifestyle that would be conducive to raising happy and healthy children in?

None of this is really an excuse but it is symptomatic of the greater problem.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 16, 2007, 02:42:44 PM »

I wasn’t against the argument, or debate, its just things like this are too personal to people, it can easily turn into political or religious discussion, which I am all for normally but *not here*. I don't know about you guys but *life sucks* and I come here mostly to forget about all the BS I have to deal with on a daily basis.

That is part of why I am the way I am here because I try and forget by getting in on all the petty discussions that don’t matter because I would rather think about that stuff than face all my problems 24/7. When I want to discuss the impact of violence and sex in video game son our society I do it at church or with close friends in a setting that can encourage open discussion. I would prefer not to discuss these types of topics on a video game forum during the time of my day I am online to *forget* about all the worlds problems and think about all that.

As a person who does adhere to a religious belief and try and weigh all decisions I make against what I feel would be beneficial for my spiritual growth against what would be entertaining and cause me to forget all the crap I have to face daily. In a way video games *are* like a religion because they offer a way to forget about things and they allow you to think of a better life or image they way it could be. Not that I think it is healthy to make playing video games your religion but I have learned to accept other peoples beliefs even if they conflict with my own and even though I disagree there are points I would rather not try and force upon someone and only way I would persuade anyone is through a two way conversation where I could present my view and counter it with the opposing view.

Take the subject at hand, a part of me recognizes that our society is totally depraved and has utterly rejected the words of God and prefers to live in sin rather than live in righteousness. however I do not judge those who chose immorality over morality because each person has a different view on such issues and as strongly as I feel about certain issues I will *not* impose my beliefs on anyone. I think it is partly parents responsibility to raise their kids, at the same time I believe society is also to be held responsible.

There are cultures from the past, as well as today, where it was the belief that the entire village/country/tribe, to raise the children and mold them into respectable adults. I think that a lot of our society’s problems are issues of personal responsibility, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions and therefore tries to pass the buck onto others. This is a human trait that is unmistakable and unavoidable and it is up to the parents as well as peers of the parents and the society in which they live to all train those children how to take responsibility for said actions.

Now I may or may not have overstepped my boundaries here so I am going to revert back to my original stance of neutrality and stay out of the debate form here on forth.

Mikintosh · « **Reply #71 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:49:31 PM »

I'm Christian, but I don't think everyone has to act like Jesus every moment of their lives; it's simply way too hard. If you're an emotionally stable adult over the age of 17, I think fantasy shooting games and military games are alright as a release of tension or whatever (I cross the line at GTA, which I don't think has a healthy attitude on the kinda horrible stuff you do during the course of the game). However, kids are too young to be exposed to that violent stuff. I think the parents who got/get their kids stuff like Doom and GTA are the same ones who let their 7 year-olds watch wrestling...irresponsible idiots who should never have had kids if they weren't ready to parent.

But ;ooking back at page 1, I'd forgotten that this thread wasn't about Manhunt 2 for the Wii, but some topless Greek women in God of War 2. Even though I'm not a big fan of sexual content in games (it really doesn't fit after a certain point), if it's for the purpose for historical accuracy, and the game's rated M, what's the big deal? Kids are less likely to be scarred by a few breasts than they are by chainsaws or whatever the hell's in Manhunt.

Kairon · « **Reply #72 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:02:54 PM »

Well, either way, Kids shouldn't be seeing chainsaws eating through people or the full monty of breast unless their parents are supervising their experience. As with so much else in life, it's a case by case basis on how much maturity the kid is ready for and the people in the best position to judge is their legal guardians.

After all, the same mom who let me buy Conker's Bad Fur Day is the mom who refused to buy me anything other than Lemmings on the SNES when I was younger no matter how much I cried and tantrumed about how it didn't look any fun. Boy was I wrong... mother know's best.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
KaironW@aol.com

denjet78 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:24:12 PM »

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Take the subject at hand, a part of me recognizes that our society is totally depraved and has utterly rejected the words of God and prefers to live in sin rather than live in righteousness. however I do not judge those who chose immorality over morality because each person has a different view on such issues and as strongly as I feel about certain issues I will *not* impose my beliefs on anyone. I think it is partly parents responsibility to raise their kids, at the same time I believe society is also to be held responsible.

Wow. I'm impressed. You have a very healthy outlook. There's not many people around like you.

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After all, the same mom who let me buy Conker's Bad Fur Day is the mom who refused to buy me anything other than Lemmings on the SNES when I was younger no matter how much I cried and tantrumed about how it didn't look any fun. Boy was I wrong... mother know's best.

When I was in college (college here people) my mother assured me that I wanted to get Wave Race for the N64. I was certain it would blow since I'm really not a fan of racing games but eventually I relented. It's one of my favorite games of all time. I still play it to this day. It's really strange how they can be so right sometimes.

Kairon · « **Reply #74 on:** February 17, 2007, 03:33:12 PM »

In slightly related news, "The Higher Power of Lucky," a children's book which has won the most prestigious award in Children's Literature, the Newbry Medal, is threatened with being banned from libraries over its use of the word scrotum on its first page:

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“Scrotum sounded to Lucky like something green that comes up when you have the flu and cough too much,” the book continues. “It sounded medical and secret, but also important.”

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

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Author Topic: Behold! Maturity! (Read 23668 times)