Author Topic: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa... (Read 98878 times)

Kairon · « **Reply #50 on:** February 06, 2007, 06:09:13 PM »

Awesomeness?

/cry

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 06, 2007, 06:21:43 PM »

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Originally posted by: son of lucas
Why would Nintendo bundle with a 3rd party game?

Because then more Nintendo faithful will buy it. I know it won't happen, but then I wouldn't have to try and locate the damn headset seperately. Have you tried buying extra controllers?

p.s. I haven't been inside of a store since near the end of Jan. so excuse me if controllers are all of a sudden available.

Adrock · « **Reply #52 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:06:55 PM »

They're totally not available anywhere from what I've witnessed. I've seen some classic controllers at Target, but they might have sold since last I checked. Game Crazy has had controllers shipped 3 times since launch, with about 5 or 6 with each shipment. They're gone almost as soon as the employees open the boxes containing the precious, precious controllers. If you look fast enough, you might see a Wii controller package shaped cloud of dust.

Anyway, I bought an extra sometime in December and I pre-ordered Wii Play.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:23:37 PM »

Ok, I have to come clean. I was joking in the post from this morning, and now that I have watched an actual video of this game, cause I have never actually seen it in action before, I am actually a little disturbed.

I have a friend that is a bit older than me and he lets his sons play this game all the time. They were 5 & 8yrs old at the time(about a year ago I think). The 5 year old LOVES this game and would always run out to tell me about it, and I would just brush it off like it was nothing cause I didn't expect to see what I just saw in that video. I'm guessing its more disturbing put all back to back like it is the video, but this has got to be putting up some red flags over at Nintendo.

I don't even want to imagine how the press is gonna react to the Wiimote controls for this game, or how the non-gamers/casuals that Nintendo worked so hard to get the attention of, are going to react to the press.

With seeing how disturbing the first game appears to be in its compressed presentation, I can't believe that they are not only making a sequel, but are releasing it on a Nintnedo console...

PS2 & PSP versions rated M - Wii version rated AO?
1:1 wiimote controls and this will be a day 1 "murder simulating" purchase

Kairon · « **Reply #54 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:52:51 PM »

Dear Nintendo,

Don't blink. I'll buy it. AND I'll buy Wing Island. I'll buy both.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

King of Twitch · « **Reply #55 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:54:45 PM »

I don't want any Manhunt on my wii.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #56 on:** February 07, 2007, 12:50:10 AM »

This thing wasn't rated AO on the PS2, it won't be rated AO on the Wii. Manhunt is the definitive proof that the US American moral system is completely screwed up. Singles getting a stricter rating than Manhunt???

Over here Manhunt is banned, that means if they find it in your possession you can go to jail. Meanwhile quite a few games on the "rated AO" list are rated 16 or lower here simply because we don't think a few exposed genitals are worse than depicting murder and encouraging the player to do that as brutally as possible.

I also don't think this will attract much attention from Jackass Thompson, that guy didn't raise a ruckus over Manhunt on the PS2. He only cares about games people actually buy.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #57 on:** February 07, 2007, 01:05:51 AM »

Putting someone in Jail for having a game? Yeah, we're screwed up says the pot to the kettle.

On the subject, I need to do a photoshop of Dewy getting stalked by the Manhunt killer.

ryancoke · « **Reply #58 on:** February 07, 2007, 02:33:00 AM »

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Originally posted by: Adrock
Did anyone watch the teaser trailer?

"This game is not yet rated."

hahahahahahaha.....

By the way, they don't show gameplay (as expected) so I guess we'll have to wait a little longer to see how this looks on Wii.

The dude in the trailer with the dark rimmed glasses totally looks like me!! I want royalties RockStar!!

Ceric · « **Reply #59 on:** February 07, 2007, 03:06:41 AM »

You know the Cartoony Pyramid Head and Dewy side by side singing would make a great funhouse banner.

Artimus · « **Reply #60 on:** February 07, 2007, 03:19:26 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
This thing wasn't rated AO on the PS2, it won't be rated AO on the Wii. Manhunt is the definitive proof that the US American moral system is completely screwed up. Singles getting a stricter rating than Manhunt???

Over here Manhunt is banned, that means if they find it in your possession you can go to jail. Meanwhile quite a few games on the "rated AO" list are rated 16 or lower here simply because we don't think a few exposed genitals are worse than depicting murder and encouraging the player to do that as brutally as possible.

I also don't think this will attract much attention from Jackass Thompson, that guy didn't raise a ruckus over Manhunt on the PS2. He only cares about games people actually buy.

LOL. I'm not American but I agree with ShyGuy. Thinking sex is worse than violence may be silly, but it's not as bad as censorship. Not even close.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #61 on:** February 07, 2007, 04:09:07 AM »

Putting someone in Jail for having a game? Yeah, we're screwed up says the pot to the kettle.

Games are media. Some media are illegal. Take e.g. child pornography or snuff videos. You go to jail for those. Glorifying violence makes this game about as bad as Nazi propaganda in the eyes of the law.

EDIT: Okay, to clarify you don't go to jail for having the game but giving it away is a crime (and I think you can be had for violating some law if you import it which is the only way to get it at all since stores can't sell it). It was confiscated so technically noone should have it. The ban obviously applies to warez versions, too.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #62 on:** February 07, 2007, 05:07:21 AM »

"Games are media. Some media are illegal. Take e.g. child pornography or snuff videos. You go to jail for those."

Child porn and snuff videos are actual videos of criminal acts though. Violence in movies or videogames is faked. Someone didn't actually get killed to provide your entertainment. No one actually gets hurt in Manhunt. It's all polygons that look like people.

I think the North American attitude towards nudity versus violence is that the nudity in a film is real. That's a real naked person so maybe you don't want your kid seeing a real naked person. However all movie violence is fake. You're not actually watching real violence. Plus kids are aware of violence most of their lives but normally aren't familiar with sex. With sex you can keep your child's innocence a little longer. But they're going to see blood the second they scrape their knee.

Jack Thompson didn't go nuts over Manhunt because he doesn't know sh!t about games. His "knowledge" comes from what his supporters tell him. GTA got focused on because it was incredibly popular. It's like how there were games with blood before Mortal Kombat or Doom BUT those games were so huge that the politicians that don't play games found out about them.

jasonditz · « **Reply #63 on:** February 07, 2007, 05:24:31 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Games are media. Some media are illegal. Take e.g. child pornography or snuff videos. You go to jail for those."

Child porn and snuff videos are actual videos of criminal acts though. Violence in movies or videogames is faked. Someone didn't actually get killed to provide your entertainment. No one actually gets hurt in Manhunt. It's all polygons that look like people.

I think the North American attitude towards nudity versus violence is that the nudity in a film is real. That's a real naked person so maybe you don't want your kid seeing a real naked person. However all movie violence is fake. You're not actually watching real violence. Plus kids are aware of violence most of their lives but normally aren't familiar with sex. With sex you can keep your child's innocence a little longer. But they're going to see blood the second they scrape their knee.

Jack Thompson didn't go nuts over Manhunt because he doesn't know sh!t about games. His "knowledge" comes from what his supporters tell him. GTA got focused on because it was incredibly popular. It's like how there were games with blood before Mortal Kombat or Doom BUT those games were so huge that the politicians that don't play games found out about them.

You can go to jail for possession of lolicon anime porn too...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #64 on:** February 07, 2007, 05:31:04 AM »

The text of the law was meant primarily for written descriptions. Videogames don't show real people but neither does text. The virtual scene is still a description that falls afoul of the laws against glorifying violence and since Manhunt makes more violent kills desirable it does promote using excessive violence and brutality. Presenting violence as something desirable is illegal in this country (unless you're merely reporting on reality), this is used mostly against propaganda but Manhunt managed to fall afoul of the law. This law is under the heading of Crimes Against the Public Order because promoting violence means inciting violence.

The exact law:

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Section 131 Representation of Violence

(1) Whoever, in relation to writings (Section 11 subsection (3)), which describe cruel or otherwise inhuman acts of violence against human beings in a manner which expresses a glorification or rendering harmless of such acts of violence or which represents the cruel or inhuman aspects of the event in a manner which injures human dignity:

1. disseminates them;

2. publicly displays, posts, presents, or otherwise makes them accessible;

3. offers, gives or makes them accessible to a person under eighteen years; or

4. produces, obtains, supplies, stocks, offers, announces, commends, undertakes to import or export them, in order to use them or copies obtained from them within the meaning of numbers 1 through 3 or facilitate such use by another,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than one year or a fine.

(2) Whoever disseminates a presentation of the content indicated in subsection (1) by radio, shall be similarly punished.

(3) Subsections (1) and (2) shall not apply if the act serves as reporting about current or historical events.

(4) Subsection (1), number 3 shall not be applicable if the person authorized to care for the person acts.

Note that "writing" means all media, not just text.

Plus kids are aware of violence most of their lives but normally aren't familiar with sex. With sex you can keep your child's innocence a little longer.

Perhaps you mean "dumb parents believe that..." because all that hiding sex from your children results in is teen pregnancy. I'm not saying you should show your five year olds porn but neither should you show them Terminator.

ryancoke · « **Reply #65 on:** February 07, 2007, 05:31:05 AM »

So in Germany is there a big black market for banned games? What other games have been banned in Germany?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #66 on:** February 07, 2007, 05:40:23 AM »

Mortal Kombat 1-3 and Wolfenstein 3D (for including Nazi symbols) are listed on Wikipedia, both seem to have censored versions available that don't fall afoul of the law. I don't think anybody bothers to list those concentration camp tycoon games and other games made by Neo-Nazis. The lists of banned books, movies and music is much longer.

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #67 on:** February 07, 2007, 06:45:11 AM »

Reggie must have regginated the sh!t out of Rockstar. This is good news. Not as good as GTA, but pretty close.

darknight06 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 07, 2007, 08:18:25 AM »

I'm making an "all-in" bet that says the Wii WILL see San Andreas Stories in some form. Count on it. They're not gonna want to have Scarface and Godfather play to themselves on the system uncontested.

Kairon · « **Reply #69 on:** February 07, 2007, 08:46:39 AM »

That ALMOST sounds believable... the Wii won't get GTA IV but it will get the PSP "stories" spinoffs... good bet.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Mario · « **Reply #70 on:** February 07, 2007, 10:17:10 AM »

I hope not, i'm sick of the old cities, I want something new. Of course they probably think Nintendo fans have never played it before and will consider it new, then wonder why the game bombed and drop Nintendo support for the next 20 years.

Also I think there's a HUGE HUGE difference between violence in movies and violence in games. In movies you're just watching it, if you just happen to witness a murder or something in real life you're not going to go to jail. In games you're DOING it. It's still not real but it's getting scarily close which I think is just unecessary.

MaryJane · « **Reply #71 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:18:33 AM »

If Manhunt 2 sells well we will get GTA, perhaps even a Wii-specific version, that's actually... dare I say it? Good!

Adrock · « **Reply #72 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:28:31 AM »

It'll take more than Wii controls to make GTA good.

Kairon · « **Reply #73 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:30:43 AM »

/cry at all the DMA hate...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #74 on:** February 07, 2007, 04:31:00 PM »

I loved the first one and will no doubt buy this one. I am a weirdo, though. But it was really fun and challenging and had some really cool levels.

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