Author Topic: SPECIALS: Nintendo World Report's Greatest GameCube Games (Read 28560 times)

WindyMan · « **on:** January 29, 2007, 07:10:37 AM »

This is the talkback thread to the massive Greatest GameCube Games feature. Feel free to comment on the special in any way, shape or form. The staff spent months planning this feature, so please enjoy it!

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2007, 07:34:27 AM »

I just typed up a whole big thing about how much you guys suck when I went back and read this:

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Using these criteria, we (reluctantly) settled on 18 games that we believe are the GameCube's greatest.

Cuz right now there are only four up there, and....well, yeah.

WindyMan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2007, 07:36:12 AM »

It's a week-long reveal. We made that clear everywhere on the site. Yeesh.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2007, 07:37:03 AM »

oops

Well, going directly to the article from talkback there was no clear indication that it was a week long thing. SO THERE. You should FIX THAT.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2007, 08:10:50 AM »

or fix this: "I looked just like Star Wars."

5 years seems so far away now. This thing really brings back memories, especially remembering the early demise of the L/R click.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2007, 09:46:47 AM »

So far I agree with all the selected titles and so far I own them all.

Though it looks like using the criteria set my three favourite Cube games won't get a full article. Being a sequel Pikmin 2 already got relegated to a paragraph in the Pikmin article and I figure Metroid Prime 2 will get the same treatment. And since it was technically a Wii exclusive for a little while Twilight Princess won't be included either. Still it'll probably get mentioned in a Wind Waker article. I hope however that Wind Waker and Four Swords Adventures get seperate articles since they both play so differently. I have a feeling FSA won't get its due but it is the best use of connectivity (I'd argue it's the only worthwhile use). That alone should get it some mention.

Reading about Rogue Leader makes me want to play it when I get home from work. WHY did Nintendo push Luigi's Mansion as the flagship title? If they pushed Rogue Leader instead things could have turned out a lot differently. Rogue Leader is not only way better but also has mainstream recognition by being a Star Wars game AND its a non-cutesy title that wouldn't be considered k!ddy by anyone.

Ceric · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2007, 10:17:09 AM »

In a way I hope Crystal Chronicle makes it. Also thanks for backing me up on Sunshine.

Artimus · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2007, 10:27:31 AM »

I own all but Rogue Squadron (the only 3rd party...lol) but my friend had that game and I beat it several times and loved it, so I sorta owned it.

Kairon · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2007, 10:56:05 AM »

I want to see more Evan Burchfield. MORE. MORE. MOOOORE.

His only comment is the dissenting opinion on Mario Sunshine, for which I APPLAUD him, and I was eager to see his opinions, laudatory or dissenting, for the other two games... /sad

Svevan! I'm like, your biggest fan!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2007, 11:00:39 AM »

He wrote two of the write ups. Hello? Is anybody home, McFly?

Jonnyboy117 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2007, 11:08:58 AM »

Evan wrote at least two or three of the main game articles and commented on several other games.

Also, when the entire feature has been posted, I don't think there will be too much grumbling about certain games being left off or certain ones being put on. I'd say it's a 90-95% unassailable list. Which means this thread will end up being twenty pages of bitching about the other 5-10%. :-) Bring it on!

Kairon · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2007, 11:09:56 AM »

You mean that Newsbot didn't write them?!?!?!

Edit:

Oh god oh god oh god. <3 Svevan's write-ups!!!

... and the rest of you guys are cool too. This is an amazing retrospective and write-up of not only history, but also design, philosophy, and awesomeness that simply blows me away.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Karl Castaneda #2 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2007, 02:31:06 PM »

My dissenting opinion on Eternal Darkness didn't make the feature, but you'll hear it during this week's podcast.

And I think one of my write-ups is going live tomorrow. ENJOY GET.

mantidor · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2007, 03:14:08 PM »

good articles.

Dasmos · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2007, 04:27:49 PM »

Oh wow, Rogue Squadron was a horrible game.

willie1234 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2007, 04:33:39 PM »

great articles!

rogue squadron was a great game *if* you went on to get all the gold medals.

IceCold · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2007, 04:42:35 PM »

Sunshine fully deserves to be on there.. I also don't understand most of the criticisms.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2007, 02:46:37 AM »

I only have one major complaint about Sunshine. The tropical setting limited it too much. There were a couple of ice blocks in the game that could be melted by spraying water on them for some reason, and it really made me wish for a level in which the water I sprayed would freeze. Maybe they could have even added a warm water source that would temporarily let you melt ice instead. It felt like unused potential, and that's always disappointing enough in non-Mario games.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2007, 05:00:58 AM »

Super Mario Sunshine may be one of the weaker Mario titles but I would still consider it part of the "Best of the Gamecube".

KDR_11k · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2007, 05:30:15 AM »

Rogue Squadron should've made way to another game or reduced the number of games picked to 17. For franchises I'd say list the best part of the series, not the first. It's supposed to help people buy games, right? So prioritize the ones we should really buy instead of listing inferior predecessors just because their number is lower.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2007, 05:54:58 AM »

First I really don't think Rogue Leader is inferior to its sequel. Sure the sequel has all of Rogue Leader in it, but only as multiplayer. And the main game was pretty mixed.

Second, while this may be seen as a shopping list for some, it's more of a walk down the emotional high points of the GameCube's life. Rogue Leader had a huge presence in my house. It was a part of the magic of the GameCube launch, and the game is still fun today.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2007, 06:54:14 AM »

I think the Rogue series as a whole doesn't really deserve to stand among the greatest games. I got a Cube when Sunshine was new and Rogue Squadron already had no meaning to me.

Jonnyboy117 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:02:11 AM »

Wow. Technology aside, Rogue Leader is one of the greatest space shooters ever and stands with Goldeneye among the best movie licensed games ever. I can't fathom the hate on it. It is a classic game; the fact that it had incredible graphics and sound just make it more impressive.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:16:51 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Rogue Squadron should've made way to another game or reduced the number of games picked to 17. For franchises I'd say list the best part of the series, not the first. It's supposed to help people buy games, right? So prioritize the ones we should really buy instead of listing inferior predecessors just because their number is lower.

Rogue Leader is not the first game in the series, actually, and it is better than its sequel, Rebel Strike, in gameplay and level design. Rebel Strike only wins out in graphics and multiplayer. Rebel Strike's foot missions were hindered by crappy controls, its ground vehicle segments were fun, but misplaced, and its space combat was dumbed down to the point of insult. Chasing TIE fighters became next to impossible. Instead, you turn a little, shoot an oncoming TIE, turn a little, shoot an oncoming TIE ad nauseum. It had its moments (I really like Attack on the Executor, and if they couldn't resist making another Hoth level, at least they did something different), but if only one of the games in the series is going to make this list, it has to be Rogue Leader.

Rogue Leader doesn't just have better gameplay. It has better missions. Not only does it feature every major battle from the original Star Wars trilogy, but all of its missions are directly tied into the main Star Wars plot. You escort freighters fleeing Hoth. You raid Bespin for supplies for the upcoming showdown at Endor. You attack an Imperial Garrison to steal the very shuttle that will carry the Rebels to Endor. Rebel Strike's missions felt disjointed and out of order from each other, let alone the Star Wars movies. To play them in order, you had to play the Luke branch up to a certain mission, then play through the Wedge branch, then finish the Luke branch, and finally play the final missions (which you could have played after finishing only one of the two branches, further muddying the story). Even then, there are gaps in the story and a lack of cohesion that Rogue Leader doesn't suffer from.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:34:36 AM »

If you didn't notice, Day 2 is up. Check it out.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=12751

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Author Topic: SPECIALS: Nintendo World Report's Greatest GameCube Games (Read 28560 times)