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Will Nintendo pull off another 30 for 30 in Japan sales this year and, if so, how many times?

Yes. 1 time.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 2 times.
0 (0%)
Yes. 3 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 4 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 5 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 6 times.
0 (0%)
Yes. 7 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 8 times.
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Yes. 9 times.
2 (18.2%)
Ninten-domination! 10 times or more that the top 30 goes to Nintendo Software.
4 (36.4%)
No. It doesn't happen once this year. Sony plays spoiler.
0 (0%)

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RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #525 on: February 04, 2007, 05:45:22 AM »
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Microsoft could also survive in 3rd, because lets face it they aren't making money anyhow and it doesn't seem to phase them


I think another 2nd place finish will make them think twice about the gaming market, especially if they can't seem to make a profit in two generations.

The Xbox line will only hemorrhage so much money before the MS higher-ups tell them to shut it down, though I doubt that will happen without some serious hopeless numbers for the 360 starting to show up.

I've said it before and I can't say it enough: MS gaining the top spot in the gaming industry will be the biggest disaster imaginable. I NEVER want to see it happen and I'm immensely glad that Nintendo is gaining on the top spot so rapidly for no other reason than the fact that it shuts MS out of it.
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« Reply #526 on: February 04, 2007, 06:28:23 AM »
MS is planning to make a profit by the third generation. They've expected to lose money over the first two generations.

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« Reply #527 on: February 04, 2007, 07:09:35 AM »
What's so bad about MS being number one?  The 360 is an excellent piece of equipment with great software.  I'll always love Nintendo, but right now MS is offering me a great deal in the form of the 360.  Great games, a great console, and a great online network.  If they keep up the same level of quality next generation I'm all for them being number one.  Of course I'm all for Nintendo or Sony surpassing MS in quality/content next generation as well.  Whoever comes in first, I win.
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« Reply #528 on: February 04, 2007, 07:37:37 AM »
Microsoft is absolutely ruthless, you've seen how they act on the PC. MS in first place would be a bad thing for everyone, developers, publishers, gamers. If you think Nintendo's or Sony's behaviour at the top was bad you haven't seen Microsoft. They will do everything they can to tie people into their system and make it as hard as possible to get away from them again. Not only that, they know what they can do when they hold a monopoly and it will be the end of 5 year hardware cycles or cheap consoles. They'll tie other products into their console so your Xbox 3.0 will only really accept music downloads from a Microsoft approved music download service, videos in a Microsoft approved format, internet in a Microsoft approved way. Your XBox 3.0 will seamlessly integrate with your Windows PC provided you keep using the latest MS approved version. Two years later there will be the XBox 3.1 that will play all games for 3.0 but the new games won't run on the 3.0 and no more games can be published for the 3.0. The firmware will crash every thirty minutes and you have to download patches every week.

MS knows how to interlock monopolies to prevent losing them and they know how to exploit a monopoly to its fullest. I don't want MS to be in charge of the console market because it's very likely that it won't be possible to get them out of it again.

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« Reply #529 on: February 04, 2007, 07:55:40 AM »
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Originally posted by: Maverick If they keep up the same level of quality next generation I'm all for them being number one.  Of course I'm all for Nintendo or Sony surpassing MS in quality/content next generation as well.  Whoever comes in first, I win.


Such is sadly not the case.

Microsoft will only attempt to meet the needs of its customers if its customers have another choice in the market. Let me use a colorful analogy which applies to this situation: if Microsoft were a woman, she'd be the best thing that ever happened to you so long as you never got married (aka. she knew you had no other choice aside from her). Once you tie the knot, it's already too late: she owns half of your crap now and she can leverage that against you instead of bothering to try to make you happy.

Such is the case with Microsoft's abysmal performance in the OS market.

There's a thread in the other systems board about how much of a total piece of sh*t Vista (the next iteration of windows) is and how MS is forcing people to use it by imposing it as the new standard, despite the fact that it makes it so you require an exceptionally powerful computer just to meet the BARE minimum Vista requirements. A friend of mine tried installing a developer version on his 3 GHz machine with 1.5 GB RAM and even IT was chugging along at a horrible speed.

The point is, since MS owns the OS market with an iron fist, they've been shipping buggy, resource-hogging, security hole-ridden software and made it blatantly clear that they just DON'T care because they know windows is the accepted industry standard. They KNOW they don't have to keep up appearances so they let their true nature show.

And just what is MS's true nature? Imagine being married to a 350 lbs woman who yells at you every time you try to do anything for yourself, never exercises, seldom bathes and sees it fit to spend YOUR money on things for herself because she knows you don't have a choice. Getting a divorce (aka. switching to a Mac) is so much more difficult that you'd rather not rock the boat and just decide to endure the suffering.

The Xbox 360 is Windows' twin sister, except that the Xbox understands that you still might prefer that sexy little Asian thing, Wii, so she'll have to do as much as she can to earn your attention away from Wii and hope Wii gives up and leaves, at which point the Xbox can let herself go just like her sister Windows did.

That, in a nutshell, is why Microsoft ruling the gaming industry would be a raging disaster for every gamer alive. She's all smiles, attention and sex when she knows you could still look elsewhere, but the minute she knows she owns you, she'll go head-first into the bon-bons and never look back.
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« Reply #530 on: February 04, 2007, 08:05:19 AM »
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What's so bad about MS being number one?  The 360 is an excellent piece of equipment.


I wouldn't call anything with the absolute POS quality control of the Xbox 360 a great piece of equipment. The first xbx was bad, but this thing takes defects to several different levels.


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« Reply #531 on: February 04, 2007, 08:26:05 AM »
I should also add that what MS is doing right now is known as the "Wal-Mart Strategy".

You see, Wal-Mart typically uses a specific pricing strategy when one first starts up in a new area: the Wal-Mart will undercut the prices of all of the local retailers and businesses, ensuring that Wal-Mart is the best deal for everything. After all of the local businesses cannot compete and die, Wal-Mart will raise their prices back up again, at which point it will be too late because they're the only retailer left in town which sells these items.

Ask yourself this: you KNOW MS plans to make money off of the gaming industry at some point, so what exactly will be the difference between how they're conducting themselves now and how they'll act one they've reached a point where they can be "profitable"?

They're not losing all of this money without the belief that they'll be able to make it back at some point, and I can only imagine that they envision themselves as the leader of the gaming industry in three generations, at which point they probably intend to charge $100 per game because they've bought up all of the 3rd party devs, charge $30 a month for XBL and only allow Nintendo to barely stay alive so Nintendo will come up with innovations that MS can rip off.

This is what MS has done with Apple for close to 20 years now: rather than think up innovations themselves, it's far easier to let another company do it and simply rip their ideas off, much like Sony did with Nintendo.

If it wasn't for the typical Japanese business ethic of "Never sell", I'm quite certain MS would have bought up more than half of all the major 3rd party Japanese devs by now because it would be the easiest way to crack into the Japanese market. As it stands, Nintendo owns 60% of the Japanese next-gen console market right now and I only expect that number to increase with time.

Like KDR said, MS has a terrible tendency of taking over a market and driving it to the lowest common denominator, ensuring that little happens in the way of innovation and that unhappy customers remain unhappy because it's easier to forcefully maintain a monopoly than it is to improve the quality of your products so that people will always buy them.
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« Reply #532 on: February 04, 2007, 08:48:09 AM »
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Microsoft is absolutely ruthless, you've seen how they act on the PC. MS in first place would be a bad thing for everyone, developers, publishers, gamers. If you think Nintendo's or Sony's behaviour at the top was bad you haven't seen Microsoft. They will do everything they can to tie people into their system and make it as hard as possible to get away from them again. Not only that, they know what they can do when they hold a monopoly and it will be the end of 5 year hardware cycles or cheap consoles. They'll tie other products into their console so your Xbox 3.0 will only really accept music downloads from a Microsoft approved music download service, videos in a Microsoft approved format, internet in a Microsoft approved way. Your XBox 3.0 will seamlessly integrate with your Windows PC provided you keep using the latest MS approved version. Two years later there will be the XBox 3.1 that will play all games for 3.0 but the new games won't run on the 3.0 and no more games can be published for the 3.0. The firmware will crash every thirty minutes and you have to download patches every week.

MS knows how to interlock monopolies to prevent losing them and they know how to exploit a monopoly to its fullest. I don't want MS to be in charge of the console market because it's very likely that it won't be possible to get them out of it again.



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« Reply #533 on: February 04, 2007, 09:16:40 AM »
The people working in Microsoft's games division are GOOD, HONEST people. But their puppetmasters, the MS overlords aren't. As soon as MS wins (which is an eventuality, they will win in about 20 or so years simply because they've got that much money), I expect their entire corporate culture about gaming to change almost overnight to something nowhere close to pretty.

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« Reply #534 on: February 04, 2007, 09:25:14 AM »
I think there's a little too much MS paranoia going on.  I understand some of the points you're getting at but I honestly don't think as soon as MS gains the #1 spot they're gonna say "alright screw gamers" and do a complete 180 (like that pun?) and deliver crappy products.  They're gaining ground because they have awesome software, hardware, and online, I don't think they'll throw all that away if they get to #1 and expect us to stick with them.

Oh and what I meant by great hardware wasn't that the systems aren't faulty at times (obviously a  lot of people have had to send their 360s back, even though I seem to have been blessed with a still functional first day model), but that the capabilities of the hardware are spectacular.


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« Reply #535 on: February 04, 2007, 09:36:52 AM »
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I expect their entire corporate culture about gaming to change almost overnight to something nowhere close to pretty.


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« Reply #536 on: February 04, 2007, 10:07:22 AM »
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« Reply #537 on: February 04, 2007, 10:10:27 AM »
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Better get those tin hats on, Microsoft is coming.


Tin hat comments are only warranted when the company in question hasn't already beast-raped the sh*t out of another industry, that being the OS market.

When left unchecked in the industry, MS considers it perfectly acceptable to ship products with over 15,000 known bugs (Win 95), leave gaping security holes open and not bother to fix them until they become a problem (XP) and force users to upgrade to later versions by forcefully ending compatibility with older versions of Windows.

Who in their right mind would want to see THAT management ethic at the head of the gaming industry?
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« Reply #538 on: February 04, 2007, 10:13:45 AM »
At least when Nintendo was head honcho at screwing people over they made the some of the best games of that era.

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« Reply #539 on: February 04, 2007, 10:16:42 AM »
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Nintendo tended to screw 3rd parties, not their customers, and I think Nintendo has spent the last 15 years learning from that mistake.

MS primarily screwed their customers, but they'd also screw 3rd parties who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. If they took over the game market and the Xbox was the #1 console in the world, expect that EVERYONE would get screwed by them.
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« Reply #540 on: February 04, 2007, 10:57:28 AM »
It's nice to see others share my same view of Microsoft.  Ever since I first read Microsoft was going to enter the videogame industry, my heart dropped because I knew that was the worst thing that could happen.

Microsoft is ONLY in the videogame market because they intent to create the same type of monopoly that they have in the PC market.  If people think that paying $600 dollars for the PS3 is expensive, you haven't seen anything yet.  If Microsoft was the leader then we'd be looking at paying $1200 for their system and that will be the cheapest crappiest model.  If you want the best version that has everything the system is supposed to have then your looking at over $2000.

Plus third party companies wouldn't be allowed to make anything creative.  All smaller companies would die out and only the big companies like EA would be left.  The only games we'd be seeing on the market place are the usual realistic FPS, racing and sports games that dominate the Xbox right now.
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« Reply #541 on: February 04, 2007, 11:18:09 AM »
The OS market is run in such a way that MS has control over everything. They want their .NET account to be necessary to access any important website. MS has even taken to trying to put websites into such a format that other browsers won't work with those pages (again, .NET). They've let known security holes remain in their OS until a virus came along to exploit them. Now, they're forcing their customers to upgrade to Vista which will more than likely require a powerful computer upgrade in order to do so (like I said, it chugged on a 3 GHz machine).

Long story short, I don't hate people for buying and enjoying xboxes. That'd just be petty, but know that MS embodies everything wrong with the way businesses are run today. Luckily, you'd need to buy close to 30 games for MS to break even on the sale of the console anyway.

Nintendo is currently winning, not because they forced 3rd parties to their system, nor because they paid them off, nor because they exploited legal systems to stifle competition. They're winning because they make the best sh*t in the world and everyone wants it as a result and I personally can't wait to see them back at the head of the gaming industry.  
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« Reply #542 on: February 04, 2007, 12:29:34 PM »
Not that it will happen, but say Vista sales were very, very low: how would that affect MS as far as their next generation of consoles go, and their "gaming devision," in general.  Would they then be less inclined to work at a loss so that they might one day usurp the competition, and finally break a profit?
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« Reply #543 on: February 04, 2007, 12:47:43 PM »
Don't many games require DirectX 10 and, therefore, Windows Vista to run? If a lot of gamers do not upgrade, then that could harm sales on Vista-only games. Less Vista users means less potential buyers means less sales.

Unless new games are both XP and Vista compatible (are some developers doing this?), or everyone upgrades to Vista, won't game sales suffer a bit? It must be nice for MS to have a virtual monopoly in the OS market.
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« Reply #544 on: February 04, 2007, 12:56:33 PM »
That's the problem. Halo 2 will require DX10 to run and therefore Vista, meaning that MS is trying to force people into upgrading if they want to play games.

It'll be interesting to see how long updates to World of Warcraft will hold out from moving to DX10. WoW is the primary cog in the PC gaming machine right now and Blizzard moving to DX10 would force many millions to move to Vista.

But I think it's also a delicate situation. Due to Vista's immensely high requirements, I'm sure many people are going to just not update until forced to do so. I think MS understands this, hence why they're laying as many traps as possible to ensure that people are forced to upgrade. Don't be surprised if the new version of Office somehow requires Vista.

It's a filthy, rotten thing to do to your customers. Even with being the market standard, I don't understand why so many people would put up with crap like this.
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« Reply #545 on: February 04, 2007, 12:58:30 PM »
Well, the MMORPG Age of Conan is a showpiece of DirectX 10 and will also be released on the X360, but it also has a DirectX9 version. I think almost all developers will continue to support DX9.

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« Reply #546 on: February 04, 2007, 01:01:30 PM »
I do too, especially Blizzard, but I can see MS doing everything in its power to edge them toward DX10 and thus Vista because that's primarily where MS makes its money.

Windows and Office are its only two profitable products. Kinda funny when you realize that Office is basically the Madden of the business world...
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« Reply #547 on: February 04, 2007, 01:03:01 PM »
Vista shouldn't chug on a 3Ghz machine. 1ghz is the minimum speed, IIRC, and I haven't seen a new PC or laptop with anything less than 1Ghz for several years. I don't have it (yet), so I can't vouch for the quality. Also, keep in mind that until pretty recently, ATI and nVidia didn't have official Vista drivers, especially for the x64 version.
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« Reply #548 on: February 04, 2007, 01:17:08 PM »
I'm honestly not sure, since it was hearsay.
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« Reply #549 on: February 04, 2007, 01:17:37 PM »
I'm running 2Ghz processor with 1gig of ram and a 128 video card and running Vista RC1.  Is that ridiculous?  I'm not being sarcastic I just don't know what the average computer is nowadays.  I know I'm nowhere near the top but I don't know how close to the bottom I am.
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