Author Topic: It seems we have a winner...GameCube philes be damned! (Read 19824 times)

mantidor · « **Reply #25 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:34:59 AM »

the N64 and the GC also bombed in Japan like no other except the xbox of course.

But this is getting off topic, yes I will probably dislike the game, but Im intrigued anyway. The only way I could like the game would be a complete and total remake of its gameplay mechanics, dungeons and worlds, in other words, that theres no hint that is a GC game, like just about any other wii game out there.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #26 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:41:40 AM »

"Japan game journalists also loved OoT and WW. Did you like those games?"

Just because they like something doesn't mean I won't. I just feel that the remote and the DS touchscreen are similar in what they contribute to gaming. So I assume that someone who really likes the touchscreen will really like the remote. For me someone who has not been that impressed by the DS but is blown away by the Wii controls would be a better impression for me. Otherwise it's like someone who loves movies I hate recommending a movie to me.

The important thing is still the comparison. To play the Wii version I have to drop a couple hundred bucks. Considering that Zelda is the only Wii launch title I'm really interested in I can potentially save money or get a better console colour if I hold off on a Wii purchase. Since I can play Zelda on the Cube I can hold off unless the Wii version is so amazingly better that I'm missing out if I get the Cube one. Now being merely functional isn't good enough. There's no point in buying a Wii for something equally good as what I can buy for a console I already have. The Wii version has to be BETTER and significantly so for me to drop that couple hundred bucks. Even waiting a month doesn't matter since I'm expecting to get this for Christmas anyway. I always wait for a big title if it's at the end of the year.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #27 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:03:44 AM »

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Originally posted by: mantidor
The only way I could like the game would be a complete and total remake of its gameplay mechanics, dungeons and worlds, in other words, that theres no hint that is a GC game, like just about any other wii game out there.

are you sh!tting me? this is zelda. screw the control nonsense. this is zelda. I'd bet that the next Zelda game will play pretty much like this one does, or else it will have more in depth sword controls/puzzles utilizing the wiimote. Guess what? this is still zelda. why do you care that will feel like a GC game? the next zelda will probably have the same gameplay mechanics anyway. They perfected the 3d zelda formula in Majora's Mask. Let's let them experiment in level design all they want, cuz thats the only thing that will keep these titles feeling fresh.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #28 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:09:56 AM »

Once I have both versions I'll bless the world with my impressions and all will be at peace.

I won't have time to play TP when I've got 5 other launch games to deal with, so I'll save my Master Sording for time I have both fairy men under the same roof for the ULTIMATE BATTLE BETWEEN NEW VS. OLD.

Strell · « **Reply #29 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:18:30 AM »

GOSH.

I LIKE STUFF AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE STUFF AND ALSO DON'T LIKE STUFF.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT STUFF.

THE STUFF WE ALL LIKE.

MaryJane · « **Reply #30 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:36:58 AM »

PORN!

Mario · « **Reply #31 on:** November 01, 2006, 01:02:13 PM »

I am actually considering the Wii version now......

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Me. Japanese people like Brain Age and I don't. They're in love with the DS and I'm not. So impressions from Japan doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync. It is good the games isn't unplayable though. This at least tells us the controls are competent.

You've GOT to be joking, did you know Brain Age sold / is selling faster in the US and Europe than it did in Japan? Besides, Pale isn't Japanese and I should have believed him from Day 1. The good TP Wii impressions aren't exclusive to Japan.

Here's some impressions from an Australian forum, this guy writing it had actually been trolling Nintendo fairly often and was hugely sceptical about Wii before he played it.

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When you read previews talking about how you "shake the controller to do a power up move" it sounds so detached. That really doesn't justify the feeling of reality and immersion when you perform a simple power up move, just by shaking the nunchuk. It's that amazing. In terms of the game itself, the controls take a little amount of time to get used to, and aiming is very difficult at first, but overall it does not feel like motion sensitive controls have been "shoe-horned" in. This is a Wii game, full stop. I cannot imagine myself playing the Gamecube version, knowing I could be playing this amazing, fully-integrated control method on the Wii. Every aspect is designed perfectly for the console. It was a bit intimidating stepping up to the plate at first, but it only takes a minute, and you're slashing both hands all over the place, pulling off combos and special moves to take down enemies. A highlight.

and another one...

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From what I played, all doubts over the choice of the Wii version disappeared. Combat and movement most definitely felt natural, even second nature in a very short amount of time.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #32 on:** November 01, 2006, 01:08:50 PM »

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Where is the comparison between the Cube and Wii versions? Twlight Princess is going to be a great game regardless. For all we know as good as the Wii version is the Cube version may be better or at least as good, thus allowing a Cube owner to save the money of buying a new console. The real impressions and reviews to look up will be the comparison articles. Though since Nintendo is intentionally delaying the Cube version in North America and making it online-only in Japan few articles like that will probably show up which I'm sure was Nintendo's plan all along.

From IGN Boards:
"I'm very, very impressed with this game. The word 'epic' comes to mind, but it really does the adventure no justice. And there is no question in my mind that the Wii version is the one to get.

Matt"

What now?

Kairon · « **Reply #33 on:** November 01, 2006, 01:19:44 PM »

NEVER trust launch reviews/previews. Just look at the PS3 Famitsu scores.

Look, it's great a bunch of people are rosy on Zelda, but that's ALL they are. ROSY.

And EXTRA rosy because it's launch, there's hype, and people are all goo-goo-ga-ga about stuff. And they secretly want to justify their launch purchases.

Ian IS wrong, you can't disregard these impressions just because they're from Japan. BUT you SHOULD disregard them because they're previews based on short playtime in a hype event.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Ian Sane · « **Reply #34 on:** November 01, 2006, 01:28:51 PM »

"did you know Brain Age sold / is selling faster in the US and Europe than it did in Japan?"

Nope. Is it really? Wow. I've just always heard about it being this huge deal in Japan.

"I'm very, very impressed with this game. The word 'epic' comes to mind, but it really does the adventure no justice. And there is no question in my mind that the Wii version is the one to get."

Is the Cube version going to somehow be less epic? I don't understand WHY he is suggesting the Wii version. He's impressed. That's expected considering its Zelda. Why is he suggesting the Wii version? Hell, has hr even played the Cube version since last year? Think of this purely as a cost issue. Is the Wii version worth spending $250 for a console in which nothing else grabs my interest yet when I already have another console that can play the same game. I'm hearing lots of "wow this controls great" but no "it controls poorly on the Cube" or "this game is better because of the controls." Right now it seems that if this wasn't a Wii game a lot of the praise would be the same because it's a killer Zelda game and has been designed to be such since day one.

I'm starting to wish Nintendo did just release it on the Wii with both controller options. Then there's no choice to be made and people can try both controls out. Or they did that original rumour of a Wii/Cube release that plays on both. Then I could just play it on the Cube and then try it out on the Wii later on when something else I want on the Wii comes out.

Mario · « **Reply #35 on:** November 01, 2006, 01:34:58 PM »

If I wasn't interested in Wii Sports in the Wii package and a few other games i'd most certainly grab the GC version of this. It's starting to sound like the Wii version is a completely different experience though, which I guess I wont understand until I play for myself. I'm thinking of trying it out at a retail event here on the 11th but then again I don't want anything spoiled. What a complex situation this is!

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #36 on:** November 01, 2006, 01:38:13 PM »

Screw being spoiled, if the Wii version tunrs out to be awesome you'll be very glad you went.

decoyman · « **Reply #37 on:** November 01, 2006, 01:40:45 PM »

Matt's a known videophile. The Wii version has widescreen and progressive scan support, and the Gamecube one doesn't. It's not surprising to me that he's recommending the one with the extra visual bells and whistles.

Ceric · « **Reply #38 on:** November 01, 2006, 04:37:34 PM »

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Originally posted by: Pale
I wrote about how much I liked Zelda. No one seems to believe me though.

You must believe in us as well.

Ceric · « **Reply #39 on:** November 01, 2006, 04:44:19 PM »

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Once I have both versions I'll bless the world with my impressions and all will be at peace.

I won't have time to play TP when I've got 5 other launch games to deal with, so I'll save my Master Sording for time I have both fairy men under the same roof for the ULTIMATE BATTLE BETWEEN NEW VS. OLD.

You should do side by side Boss battle and dungeon segment videos.

Anyways. Famitsu I don't trust. I'll wait until I get a recent build review from another staffer.

IceCold · « **Reply #40 on:** November 01, 2006, 04:55:38 PM »

Well, if anyone could pull this off, it would be Miyamoto and Nintendo.. can't wait!

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Hell, has hr even played the Cube version since last year?

Well, how exactly would it have changed?

Mario · « **Reply #41 on:** November 01, 2006, 04:58:51 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
NEVER trust launch reviews/previews. Just look at the PS3 Famitsu scores.

Look, it's great a bunch of people are rosy on Zelda, but that's ALL they are. ROSY.

And EXTRA rosy because it's launch, there's hype, and people are all goo-goo-ga-ga about stuff. And they secretly want to justify their launch purchases.

Ian IS wrong, you can't disregard these impressions just because they're from Japan. BUT you SHOULD disregard them because they're previews based on short playtime in a hype event.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

You can learn to ride a bike, but you can't UNlearn it.

Artimus · « **Reply #42 on:** November 01, 2006, 05:26:21 PM »

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Matt's a known videophile. The Wii version has widescreen and progressive scan support, and the Gamecube one doesn't. It's not surprising to me that he's recommending the one with the extra visual bells and whistles.

Yes, he is, but I don't think there's any doubt that if the control was broken he'd be all over it (see: WiiSports).

mantidor · « **Reply #43 on:** November 01, 2006, 05:47:02 PM »

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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict
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Originally posted by: mantidor
The only way I could like the game would be a complete and total remake of its gameplay mechanics, dungeons and worlds, in other words, that theres no hint that is a GC game, like just about any other wii game out there.

are you sh!tting me? this is zelda. screw the control nonsense. this is zelda. I'd bet that the next Zelda game will play pretty much like this one does, or else it will have more in depth sword controls/puzzles utilizing the wiimote. Guess what? this is still zelda. why do you care that will feel like a GC game? the next zelda will probably have the same gameplay mechanics anyway. They perfected the 3d zelda formula in Majora's Mask. Let's let them experiment in level design all they want, cuz thats the only thing that will keep these titles feeling fresh.

I disagree completly, first, MM didnt have in mind a whole new control method, the only possible direction was to polish what OoT already stablished, second, when Nintendo isn't concerned about the console's financial future, they are completly ok with throwing everything out of the window, just look at phantom hourglass and how completly different is from any past Zelda titles.

They could had perfectly given OoT the Super Mario 64 DS treatment and it would had sold well and moved DS units, but since the pressure to make the DS a success isn't there, they actually try their best to use the platform to its full potential, to be really imaginative and go in line with the supposedly objective of this brand new methods of control, which is to evolve games and offer actually fresh and new experiences. I'd be really dissapointed if Nintendo sticks with this limited gameplay solution for Zelda, I expect them to go completly nuts once they don't have the financial pressure as well as the limiting factor that is having to remake a GC game instead of creating a fully new one. This is what I dig about the wii, and this is the only way the can get my money, Im not going to spend a cent in a console that promises going in bold directions but in reality isnt doing it.

Deguello · « **Reply #44 on:** November 01, 2006, 05:47:21 PM »

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And seriously stop analysing every damn word I write and relate back to older opinions that may have changed. Sometimes I don't get the idea in my head into writing exactly as I want it. So quit bringing up sentences I wrote like two years ago that I don't even remember writing. I'm also not a robot where my opinions are like logic in a computer program that can't be broken. "OMG on June 6 2003 you said this! You can't contridict my interpretation of what you said means ever for the rest of your life or your brain will melt!"

I am so sorry you are annoyed by being called to task by a moderator with the basic skill of using the search function for these forums. If you can't take it, please leave. And WTF is this "older opinions may have changed?" I was led to believe by you and your supporters that you had deeply held convictions about games that were simply unpopular at the time. I didn't know they could change at any time for any reason and that you may not even remember them later. What is the point of listening to your bitchy, polemic opinions if even YOU don't remember them? Maybe you should think more before posting.

You just say what's convenient at the time to continue arguing, and it is really getting tiresome, seriously. I receive PM requests from a lot of forumers to get rid of you, and some to say I should keep you around simply for comedic value. The latter has been winning for quite a while, but recently you've just been argumentative and contrarian. You cite reviews and previews to start bitching about stuff and to discard game suggestions and NOW you say that magazine previews (at least Japanese ones) don't affect you in any way. It's tantamount to trolling. And no, not trolling by disparaging Nintendo on a Nintendo forum. This transcends game fandom. You are simply trolling the very idea of this forum by seeding argument everywhere you post, like it's your own personal plaything.

You may have been posting here a long time, but you are certainly no more entitled to post here than everybody else. And if you continue in this "sky is falling" "Nintendo is doomed" crap that Eric Mattei from Nintendojo used to pull all the time, I will cast you out like yesterday's garbage, just like I did Cubed_Canuck for doing exactly the same thing. He also thought mods were stalking him and the rules didn't apply to him either.

Watch yourself.

Kairon · « **Reply #45 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:14:18 PM »

Cubed... Canuck?

BTW Mario, what did your statement about unlearning to ride a bike mean? It's totally lost on me.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

wandering · « **Reply #46 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:23:34 PM »

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I receive PM requests from a lot of forumers to get rid of you, and some to say I should keep you around simply for comedic value

I can just imagine.

CloudFan123: um could you ban ian i dont think someone who ndoesnt lik nintendo should really be allowed could you also get rid of svevan its really annoying trying to read the forums with ppl lik that on?

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mantidor · « **Reply #47 on:** November 01, 2006, 06:29:11 PM »

Ok this bashing of Ian is just stupid, I really don't see anything wrong with his opinions, no matter how much they change over time, and honestly all of our opinions do change ( do you want me to bring back the thread about the revelation of the name of the wii?), Also I don't see him breaking any rules, he's not harrasing any single poster as opposed to you, and if his extreme "anti-fanboy of Nintendo" attitude is the problem then I guess that extreme fanboyism should also be reprehensible.

Kairon · « **Reply #48 on:** November 01, 2006, 07:02:52 PM »

Banning Ian would be like banning Zelda II.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #49 on:** November 01, 2006, 07:20:57 PM »

Mantidor, don't side with Ian just because he's taking your opinion on a matter. Even I defend him sometimes, I think he's had good points, but don't do it for that reason.
It wouldn't be so suspicious if his opinions didn't constantly shift to stay even with the pessimistic playing ground. He's perpetually on the complaining end of things, regardless of what Nintendo does.
That said, I have no problem with Ian buying the Cube version, and I may even buy it myself if it weren't for an irresistable temptation to get the game as soon as possible.

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Author Topic: It seems we have a winner...GameCube philes be damned! (Read 19824 times)