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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2006, 12:01:39 AM »
I don't respect someone who's wrong, no matter how many fancy words they cover it up with

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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2006, 02:16:16 AM »
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I don't respect someone who's wrong, no matter how many fancy words they cover it up with


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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2006, 02:26:10 AM »
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You [Ian]...everyone notices when you are here...and not here.


Yes I certainly notice it.  I like it better here when he's not.

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I swear, it's so hard to find logical, intelligent, rational and passionate dissenting opinion nowadays.


Passionate, maybe.  Don't know about those other three.

I don't know where this "respect" for Ian comes from.  Probably his seniority as a poster here, which is a nice gesture but misguided.  He used to have my respect as the "annoying guy who unfortunately has a point."  Now he's just "annoying."  And it got to that point because of this one trait that I CANNOT STAND in people.  He holds disingenuous opinions just for the sake of argument.

Remember those lengthy diatribes about how Nintendo never makes an original game nowadays?  To the best of my knowledge here are the original games that Nintendo made, commisioned, and/or brought over from Japan for the first time, for GBA/Cube.

Pikmin
Animal Crossing
Eternal Darkness
Fire Emblem
Advance Wars
Custom Robo
Geist
Odama
Drill Dozer
Batallion Wars (Totally different)
Chibi-Robo
WarioWare (If he thinks it is even similar to the Wario Platformers, he is nuts)
Cubivore (Nintendo made it, although Atlus published it)
Golden Sun
Baten Kaitos (They published the second installment, so I'm counting it)

It's not a gigantic amount, and I'm not saying they are all great, but that's goodly amount.  However, I dobut Ian owns or played or rented or tried or read about or even followed up upon a vast majority of these.  Usually when asked he'll dig out a website or magazine review (the same he says he didn't listen to in 2003) and say "it doesn't appeal to him."  Oh dear, original games not appealing to him?  Hell I thought he'd be ALL OVER Drill Dozer.  I mean hell, it's a platformer, from Nintendo, that doesn't have Mario in it.  And the reviews say its great!  So where is he?  Probably somewhere else bitching that Mario is in a another game.  He talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk, so to speak.

In contrast check out the original games for just the DS (again commission/published/made by Nintendo):

Clubhouse Games
Magical Starsign
Trace Memory
Hotel Dusk
Nintendogs
Brain Age
Magnetica
Meteos
Elite Beat Agents (or Ouendan, either version)
Trauma Center (HA HA! Published by nintendo in the UK)
Polarium
DS Air
True Swing Golf
Electroplankton
Big Brain Academy

This doesn't even include the stuff that may or may not be localized like Project Hacker, Band Brothers, Touch Panic, Tingle RPG (same reason as Wario Ware), and that Mech Pilot game that I can't pronounce.  Even better Mario has only shown up less in DS games, AND Nintendo has the lion's share of third party support with most of the big hitters, AND they are the number #1 handheld in the world, AND the franchise games are some of the best games in the series, if not THE best, which most if not all of the magazine and website reviewers concurring.  Some feature the inclusion of Online gameplay for the first time, which has been a MAJOR bitch point for Ian that has been resolved.

So is Ian all over this platform like a Ugly on a Gorilla?  Is he hailing in a new Golden Age of Nintendo that follows the advice he gave before?  Is he at least not bitching so much?  HELL NO.  He STILL bitches that Mario is in another game.  HE STILL says that these games do not appeal to him, writing some off as "tech demos" like a damn PSP fanboy for god's sake.  He holds some of Nintendo's newer original titles AGAINST Nintendo  by saying they are forgetting Nintendo's hardcore fans.  Gone is the 2003-2004 version of Ian where he wanted Nintendo to make and secure certain games that would increase their marketshare and image, even if he didn't find those games appealing.  In comes the 2005-2006 version of Ian with his new outlook on Nintendo that requires them to cater to his selfish want and demand, while attempting to be a demogogue for the hardcore Nintendo fans he used to say were "misguided" and "hurting Nintendo."

I don't care what his opinion of Nintendo is, but I AM SICK OF THIS.  I am tired of him running circles in his Anger Loop(tm), and I hate it when he turns every single thread in which he posts into a goddamn Nintendo's Mistakes History lesson.  I hate it when he holds disingeunous opinions, only to discard them when he can no longer argue with them, favoring the opposite viewpoint for maximum argument.  It is boring.  It is tiresome.  The record has worn down from your playing your bitchy whine-fest over and over.

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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2006, 03:29:39 AM »
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2006, 06:46:48 AM »
Methinks Deg's forgotten that if he doesn't like Ian's posts, he can ignore them.

Also, serious posting ARE NOT ALLOWEDED IN THE FUHNHOOS!
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2006, 09:39:34 AM »
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2006, 09:54:36 AM »
tl;dr

Ian always has a point, is just not a popular one. This isnt because hes an old poster, his arguments are as a valid as anyones, most of the rants that go on here are speculation, personal opinion or personal tastes, everyone has the right to like or dislike whatever they want.

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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2006, 10:46:35 AM »
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Passionate, maybe.  Don't know about those other three.


Well, I'll take what I can get.

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...check out the original games for just the DS...


Shouldn't Eyeshield 21 be on that list?

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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2006, 02:02:18 PM »
Deg's last post scares me. *cries*
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2006, 10:31:06 AM »
I could almost hear the post being yelled in my father's voice. And feel the cane across my back with the force of my father's cane.
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2006, 07:46:03 AM »
You should tape some of that and sell it on the Internet.
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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2006, 10:10:45 AM »
This upset me so much I just have to post it here to save forever.
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My theory is that the classic controller was an afterthought and whoever was assigned the task of designing it really doesn't know much about videogames. They just looked at the PS2 controller and used that model since it's so popular. They probably don't know that NONE of the VC games were designed with a Dualshock design in mind
That's the most retarded thing I've ever read.  
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2006, 02:52:42 PM »
If anything, Ian deserves respect simply for putting up with the garbage people throw at him. You can say that he does the same to all of us with his frequent complaints, but he doesn't pick on specific forum members like others do to him.

Many of his points are valid and he does not always criticize Nintendo. I have seen several instances where he stated that Nintendo did a good job. To say that he tries to find fault in everything is not true.
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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2006, 03:03:42 PM »
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This upset me so much I just have to post it here to save forever.
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My theory is that the classic controller was an afterthought and whoever was assigned the task of designing it really doesn't know much about videogames. They just looked at the PS2 controller and used that model since it's so popular. They probably don't know that NONE of the VC games were designed with a Dualshock design in mind
That's the most retarded thing I've ever read.

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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2006, 03:40:04 PM »
I've always seen Ian as the stubborn old guy that refuses to change his beliefs or go along with evolution and stays behind his views, whether they are outdated or not.

He feels like the church he has been attending to for YEARS is turning against him and itself, creating radical new ways of thinking that are completely changing the church. Even if these changes are converting people like crazy he believes that it is a bad decision.

In other words, Ian is the obsessed follower who refuses to believe in new, radical thought process for the mere fact that it goes against what he thinks.
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2006, 03:54:06 PM »
When you paint it that way, I love Ian.
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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2006, 10:15:30 PM »
I concur. If that is Ian, then I can go for his principles too.


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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2006, 03:46:17 AM »
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I concur. If that is Ian, then I can go for his principles too.
Change is good.

There was a time in this country when all citizens didn't have equal rights.  Would it be okay if an old man thought that minorities shouldn't have the same rights as caucasians?  What about if he didn't think women should be allowed to vote, own property or work outside the home?  

If you agree with Ian you're not only racist, but you're sexist (no Evan, not sexy) as well.
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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2006, 07:38:51 AM »
To put opinions on video gaming anywhere near those of race/gender equality is unfair. I know you were just trying to make a point, but those are completely different subjects. If I prefer music from the 1970s over music from today, does that make me a bad person? How does not embracing every change made in the entertainment industry make Ian bad?

Racism/sexism take away others' ability to live a happy life. At worst, Ian's opinions only make himself miss out on some fun games.
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2006, 09:13:52 AM »
Just in case, Mario, I didn't mean to say Ian was bad because he was like a stubborn old guy.

I don't know Ian personally, so I can't judge his personality on silly online ramblings. I know this from experience...

As I mentioned in the Smash Brothers thread, my best and dearest friend in my life was at first I was annoyed at because of his constant rants and bashings against Melee, but once I cleared away all of that I discovered an amazing human being that I hold dearly.

Another friend of mine I dearly cherish is the most opinionated guy I know. He isn't afraid of saying what he thinks, even if his opinion isn't the most popular one. There are times in which he makes some unfair conclusions because of his opinions. But deep down he has a heart of gold. He isn't perfect, but he is also one of the best friends I had the pleasure of meeting.

What I am getting at is had I based my judgment on their ONLINE behaviors they would've been my enemies.

So I do find Ian annoying as a poster, but I can't say how he is as a person because I never met him.

Just wanted to make that clear...
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2006, 11:49:44 AM »
From the same post as vudu's quote.. This really annoyed me

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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2006, 03:52:57 PM »
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Change is good.

Only if the thing being changed was bad in the first place. Changing something that is good into something that is morally ambiguous is not good, even though "change" has occurred. The metaphor of the church is incredibly important to this discussion, and it could also be applied to politics, art, etc - change for the sake of change is amoral. The value of the thing being changed determines whether the change was right or wrong. If Ian stands up for an old, traditional, right way then more power to him. If he is resistant to changing things that are outmoded or problematic, then he's a stick in the mud.
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2006, 04:36:45 PM »
I think people rag on Ian too much. Yeah sometimes he has some weird opinions, but he brings some personality to the forums which I welcome. I guess I haven't been on the forums long enough to really get sick of Ian, but I wouldn't want him to stop posting just because he speaks his mind.
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RE:The Case Against Ian
« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2006, 06:16:16 PM »
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Changing something that is good into something that is morally ambiguous is not good
You heard it here, folks--Evan thinks minorities are "morally ambiguous".
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RE: The Case Against Ian
« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2006, 06:33:05 PM »
Are Canadians morally ambiguous?

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