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Offline Bill Aurion

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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2006, 05:58:58 PM »
Good grief, it seems I'm the only one who thinks 250 is just fine...Throw in the free game and the extra cool features like the photo studio and that EASILY surpasses the extra 50 dollars that's been added...

Oh, and "hardcore gamers" all around the internet are completely underestimating the power of a bundled-in game...I've spoken to a few casual gamer friends and they think 250 with a free game is a good deal...FREE STUFF makes a slightly expensive price that much easier to swallow...
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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2006, 06:00:23 PM »
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Finally, what is with Nintendo make the GCN owners wait an extra 2 or 3 weeks for Zelda?
So that the Wii version will sell systems - they are only releasing the Cube version in there to keep their promise. They'll keep the Cube one very low-profile so that people buy a Wii with the Zelda version before they even know a Cube one exists..
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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2006, 06:00:53 PM »
Nobody is happy with the price, myself included. It's not the system price itself, either, but the cost of extra controllers. Nintendo has projected their machine as a party-oriented platform - lots of people having fun together in good old Nintendo style. The controllers just cost too much, plain and simple. I would much rather have an extra controller included than Wiisports. This is really going to cut into a lot of people's spending on games at launch, which in turn will impact third-party support.
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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2006, 06:14:07 PM »
i for one dont care about myself as i can easily afford the system. but i must worry for the people who are turned off about the $250
we need the casual gamers, like it or not... because drones make a system a whole lot better I.E. people buying so many ps2 to this day and it bein the reason so many third parties support it so much... oh yea i'm sorry but i hate wiisport... it looks so dumb
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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2006, 06:16:43 PM »
You guys have to remember this is the shock that always happens whenever Nintendo announces something. It comes almost as a shock, especially when we spent months debating the price of the console.

I'm pretty sure that by next week everyone will have moved on and continue talking about Wii until the next big issue arrives.

The ones that seem affected the most are the uber hard core fans, the ones that literally spend 500 + dollars on a system launch, since they are forced to cut down on their expenses. I think the one that benefits the most are the casual, light consumers since an included game will appeal to them.

Also like I already mentioned in another thread, if naming the system the Wii did not kill the hype, which everyone and their grandmother said they would, I doubt the price and Wii sports will.
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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2006, 06:22:47 PM »
Viewtiful mario said everything I wanted to.

I am far more excited now that they have released more videos and screenshots and the channel information.  I didn't see a single negative thing in the article except the fact that the Wii is not launching tomorrow and I want it now.

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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2006, 06:28:10 PM »
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Viewtiful mario said everything I wanted to.

I am far more excited now that they have released more videos and screenshots and the channel information.  I didn't see a single negative thing in the article except the fact that the Wii is not launching tomorrow and I want it now.


I've been blown away by some of the gameplay footage, I personally can't wait to get ahold of the Wii, even if I feel Nintendo may have hurt themselves.
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2006, 06:29:44 PM »
You know pap, you're probably right.. It's unfortunate that a few of our members won't be getting one at launch, but I'm confident that this will blow over when we all come to terms with it.. It really isn't that bad, either; just not what we're expecting. The games more than justify the price - those new videos are awesome!
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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2006, 06:29:48 PM »
Edit: This is SUPPOSED to be a SINGLE RESPONSE thread

If I'm gonna bottom line it, I'd say the last 2 days were more exciting than E3 for me. Simply because I like having facts and tangible information. Videos, screens, etc.  Not just PR and "Ooh Ahh imagine if."  My tank of Nintendo pixie dust sorta ran out about 2 years ago. They've not been consistent in their statements and actions, so it's worn on me during GCN's life. I guess it's good that they've built such a high standard for themselves over the years, but they also need to remember that that holds a lot of responsibility as well.

As others mentioned, it's not a perfect launch. There is some sticker shock. Nintendo's suggestions to "look at their past" teased us to think about a $199 or close launch price. So that wasn't a "good" surprise.

The controller pricing is also pretty touchy. I get their ideas about expanding the market, but they too are now increasing prices for the system and the controllers, which goes against the cause. I understand the controllers are more complex than the "dumb" ones of the past, but when the goal is to expand the market and bring more of the family to the living room television, that means selling us 4 of them. But I'm not forking over another $180 for controllers, guys. And even most people here, the hardcores that are most likely to do so, don't seem too thrilled about the idea either.

Those things aside, I'm pretty happy with most everything else.

The date doesn't bother me. Beating PS3 to market is not that important when we are dealing with days and/or weeks here. Nintendo has made it abundantly clear that hardcores are not their primary interest. (That's why I've adopted Wii60.) Our moms don't give a crap about that. They're not going to get a PS3 regardless.

The Wii Channels are pretty cool. I like how they are using these types of features as a bridge to gaming for the other folks in the house. The GUI itself is pretty nice too. There is a ton of room for growth here, too (adding more features, that is.)

I'm fairly content with the launch games. I don't have a very diverse taste in games as many people here do. But since Zelda alone is going to keep me occupied for a while, maybe that's influencing my feelings there. 15 launch games, on paper, sounds solid to me anyway. Though they may not all be that great.

VC games... 30 to start and 10 a month for the next year sounds pretty darn good to me. Hopefully they will offer free points based on actual game/accessory purchases as well, so we can juice up without having to pay for every last title. As content owners, I understand their desire to profit from their games, but they should also remember that the ultimate goal should be that VC games sell Wii's, not the other way around. So THROW THE POINTS AROUND GENEROUSLY.

Online gaming... Well they certainly take their time on some of these things don't they, but I agree with their basic principal. Use online gaming as a selling point for software, not as a product itself.

DVD playback... Meh, wasn't going to buy the accessory, but this is a lingering perception issue. Going the extra half mile would not have broken anybody's bank.

Overall good, but Kairon said it best. No deal-breakers here, but no slam dunk or touchdown or whatever metaphor you want.  
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RE:Single Response Wii Launch Opinion Thread
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2006, 06:42:10 PM »
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You know pap, you're probably right.. It's unfortunate that a few of our members won't be getting one at launch, but I'm confident that this will blow over when we all come to terms with it.. It really isn't that bad, either; just not what we're expecting. The games more than justify the price - those new videos are awesome!


I'm sure that even those that have said that they will not be getting a Wii at launch, whether because they are angry or because they don't have the money,  will sooner or later give in. You know about the Nintendo virus S_B has been talking for a while now, right? I'm sure it will just go stronger when the launch approaches.

Hell, even those that said that they will NOT buy a Wii because the name was retarded or lost all hope on Nintendo because of the name went back the minute they showed off the games and good press surrounded the system.

Like I said, this is all shock because it is a big news event. I'm sure that by next weekend things have cooled down. If the Wii name debate cooled down eventually, I'm sure this price debacle will.
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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2006, 06:51:46 PM »
I think its pretty much what I expected and will still be the best value in town.  I think the confusion/pessimism comes from when you think of the wii as inferior to the xbox/ps3.  However, it is the most innovative and focused console of this 'next gen'.  It has a lot of games that will be found nowhere else and an experience that will be found nowhere else.  I can't wait to get my hands on one, I think everything is still on track to spell success for Nintendo.
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2006, 07:06:01 PM »
Look, basically with the Wii you're getting a Gamecube on crack with a lot of extra power made just for figuring out how to react to the wacky controller.  The system shouldn't cost that much since it's recycling a lot of technology.  It's got a sweet interface and a lot of potential for future firmware updates and downloads etc. but that doesn't make up for the price for what it’s bundled with.  I fully expected Nintendo to release this thing with at the very least a demo built into the system or Wii Sports and well we got Wii Sports.  However, I won't be happy if those 50 dollars over the $200 sweet spot are for packing in Wii Sports.  That's ridiculous.  You shouldn't have to pay more than 10 dollars for that via a Virtual Console download if at all.  5 overblown mini games do not equal 50 dollars.  Perhaps additionally with a demo disc with future titles such as Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess, Wario Ware, Rayman Raving Rabbids, etc., an extra Wii controller and nunchuck attachment, a classic controller, and 5 Virtual Console downloads it would be well worth going 50 dollars over the sweet spot.  It'd be a great sign of good will to the consumer.  That way you could preview all future and current titles and be one step towards a full multiplayer set up.  Here's hoping that they offer demos to download.

Oh the Virtual Console.  It's pure profit even if they sell all the games for just one dollar.  5 dollars for an NES game is extortion.  With the price they have set up I don't think they'll be getting as many sales as they think they will.  They'd be raking in a lot more cash for 1 dollar for NES games, 3 dollars for SNES games, and 5 dollars for N64 games.  Given the illusion for cheap prices people are more likely to go spend crazy and Nintendo will get more money as a result; money which again is pure profit.  Nintendo is just being greedy with current prices and I think it'll likely bring down sales but no matter since it's all profit to them.  I as a consumer am just disappointed because I won't be buying as many games on the Virtual Console as I'd like.

I'm actually fine with the launch line up because as it was there were too many good games at launch.  Many that would've have overwhelmed other games.  I'm sure Ubisoft is very appreciative of the Metroid Prime 3 delay.  I imagine Red Steel will sell many more copies now.  Oh and I'm very happy about region-free.  I sincerely hope no third party is retarded enough to actually region their games since it is an option.  Likewise I hope they also follow Nintendo's lead and price their games at no more than 50 dollars.

If Nintendo plans to release 4 million Wiis across the US this year how would it hurt to start earlier than PS3's release date?  They'll obviously have stores stocked no matter what so the "oh PS3 buyers will turn to Wii after not finding PS3 in stock" argument is rendered null since the stock will be available if they're stock piling this stuff.  They have to be if they have 4 million of them.  Oh and if they can produce that many white Wiis it can't be that hard to have black Wiis too.  According to most polls the black version is what most people want.  Unfortunately just like Gamecube they've decided to make their flagship system the color that most people didn't want.  At least this time it isn't purple but last time we at least had the option of choosing black.  If you can somehow transfer or redownload Virtual Console games you've already purchased to a new system I might buy a black Wii when it comes out and sell my white Wii.  Let's just say the white Wii had an "accident".

Separately sold controller parts are a crime to both consumers and developers if it's the only option.  I'm fine if the classic controller is sold separately but the pointer and nunchuck parts should be sold together for no more than 50 dollars.  If you need a part replaced then I can see them charging those separate prices.  This would be good for an online store I bet.  Speaking of online they better not making component cables an online store only again.  I want to use component cables on day one so I better be able to get them retail.


No one would be complaining if the following case was true:

1x Wii Console
1x Sensor bar
1x Wii stand
1x AC adaptor
1x AV cable (composite)
2x Wii Controllers (with two AAA batteries)
2x Nunchuck attachments
1x Classic Controller attachment
1x Wii Sports
1x Wii Demo Disc
5x Virtual Console downloads

Cost: $250

Virtual Console Prices:

$1 - NES games
$3 - SNES games
$5 - N64 games

Controller packages:

$50 - Wii Controller and Nunchuck attachment bundle
$40 - Wii Controller separately
$20 - Nunchuck attachment separately
$20 - Classic Controller (comes with 1 free Virtual Console download)


Nintendo also needs to have a rewards program.  My recommendation is to have 1 or 2 free Virtual Console downloads with every Wii game purchase (that means all Wii game purchases including 3rd party.  Nintendo still needs to figure out that they need to reward consumers for supporting them.  If they can do that then they'll have this generation won right at the start.


I'll be getting a Wii no matter what.  Just don't expect me to not say my piece on how Nintendo could be doing this better.  Everyone would be rejoicing if this was the reality.

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RE: Single Response Wii Launch Opinion Thread
« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2006, 07:14:54 PM »
Bottom Line:

•No DVD playback hurts:  I figured since Wii was coming sooner than later, I could hold off on buying a new DVD player for my living room....but now.

•Price is high:  Wii sports looks great but I would have liked to choose my own game since it seems that's were my $50 went

•Date is OK: Even though they have been sucking Apple's nectar for a while, the whole "Show you today, buy it tomorrow" plan I guess wouldn't work.
(Poster's note: Zelda is the reason for the late launch date. If Zelda was ready then they would have shipped much sooner.)

•Graphics are better:

•VC prices just A bit high:

I must admit that I feel a little underwhelmed by this but Okami and the DS will make everything better.
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RE: Single Response Wii Launch Opinion Thread
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2006, 07:25:06 PM »
Nintendo gets an 9.8/10.
-0.1 for not having an Onyx Wii for launch, and another -0.1 for delaying MP3 into 2007.

That GUI looks freaktastic.
It has such a quirkyness that it is just inescapable to not look at it, in fact I'm addicted to the Wii GUI.
Really I was watching this vid and I all of a sudden I lost my focus and coudn't detract from those oh so enjoyable bleeps and blops and fluidity between and within channels.

The date, oh the date, oh well, what can I do?! 2 Months ain't too bad, it just gives me more time to accumulate more cash to spend.

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RE: Single Response Wii Launch Opinion Thread
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2006, 07:36:16 PM »
When I first heard the date/price, I said 'bleh.' I think that sums up my reaction pretty well. It's not a bad price. The console will sell out - and rightfully so. It'll be worth $250 and I'll be one of the many people forking over the dough without hesitation. It's just dissapointing because of all of the low-balling.

It's not a bad launch date, either. Really, nothing terrible going on here. Silly to think Nintendo would struggle to get the console out as early and as cheap as possible to satisfy whiners on the internet.

Some of the new media has been amazing. The new interface is amazing.

I was really, unfortunately, looking forward to DVD playback. And black. Oh well. I also think the controller pricing (and splitting the wiimote and nunchaku) is a bit insane.

Overall though, I'm more excited about the console today than I was a week ago. November 19th can't come soon enough.  
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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2006, 07:38:03 PM »
*sigh*  I guess my single response thread is already out.

Thank you all for writing your thoughts.  This has been an informative thread.

To sum up my thoughts.  Bill, I don't think $249.99 is too much...I think it was just shocking to many.  I still think we are getting a great deal, and bundling a game is hugely important.  I hate spending money and NOT being able to use what I buy.  If you spend any money on a system you should be able to play it out of the box.  Nintendo remembered that and gave us a system that casual gamers and non gamers can buy one single product and have fun...later they can buy more stuff.

Most of the pricing is fine.  We knew that the controllers would be expensive, and they should be at about what we expect.  The launch lineup doesn't have many first party games, but it is still strong.  

Finally, Nintendo may have announced everything today, but don't think it still can't change.  If Nintendo feels it is getting bad press they can easily announce a free controller with the purchase of the system...or include a discount for half priced controller.  

This day should be more of a day of celebration instead od disappointment...and yet that is all we are doing.  


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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2006, 08:03:29 PM »
Thanx alot Nintendo, now I won't be getting my Wii @ launch, and if the DS is anything to go by, I won't be getting a Wii this year at all

Why can't you just release the damn thing in BLACK!!!!! I do not want to own a white Wii... I want it to match my new BLACK DS!!

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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2006, 08:07:32 PM »
But anything goes with black...even white!
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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2006, 08:23:57 PM »
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MP is pushed back, SSB is pushed back, Mario is pushed back.
Uh, we already knew that Mario and SSB would be in 2007..


SSB was originally promised as a launch title, now it's not even on the "launch window list", which covers everything through Q1 of 2007. We went from MP3, SSBO, Zelda TP, and two Square Enix titles to Zelda, Ice Age 2, and Cars.  I know that's a bit of an exaggeration but what looked to be one of the strongest launch lineups ever is starting to look damned shallow. What are they, sandbagging here? Zelda's a great lead, but I find it awfully hard to get excited about anything else. I don't want Super Off Road rebranded under the Excitebike franchise, I don't want games based on movies I wouldn't watch if you paid me, I don't want Tom Clancy's latest "shoot non-specific Eastern European guys" thriller.

Nintendo's done a great job selling me on the idea that the games are what ultimately matter. The big problem is that since then, we've seen precious few really great games out of them.

It's perhaps the worst thing about being a Nintendo fan these days. There are always great games, amazing games, just over the horizon, all we have to do is wait. Well I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to feel like we're Vladimir and Estragon, and maybe the wait is really all that's being offered here after all. I'm just not sure that's enough for me anymore.

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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2006, 08:28:34 PM »
um, we knew since E3 that SSBB would be a late 2007 title.....
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« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2006, 08:55:11 PM »
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um, we knew since E3 that SSBB would be a late 2007 title.....


Um, I know that.

I also remember that it was originally promised as a launch title.

Honestly guys, I'm not making this stuff up.

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« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2006, 09:19:53 PM »
So can we post responses to people now? lol.

Satoru Iwata has just injected a little bit of realism and business-style LYING into a company that needed business sense. Blame him, credit him, but he's credited with turning Nintendo around with the DS and the hype behind the Wii concept.

As for waiting, Jason, you're just suffering the residual effects of the GameCube era. Nintendo's GC games... were not their best. They were weakened in terms of polish and restricted in terms of creative horizons. They were rushed at times, too.

But that was a Nintendo in a transition period, and as a Nintendo fan I realized this because I studied their corporate goings on. That's why I'm not worried about the future, because I feel that the atmosphere at Nintendo now is very energized and the promise of creativity and polish has been renewed.

Now Nintendo has a vision and it has momentum. Nintendo has significant third-party support, and they've targeted a plethora of 1st party games near and after launch: Zelda, Wii Sports and Excite Truck at Launch, Metroid 3 one or two months after, Pokemon Wii (online!!!) 2-4 months after, BWii and Strikers Charged 4-7 months after, Mario Galaxy 5-9 months after, tons of other stuff (Big Brain Academy, Diving Game, Wii Music, etc.), and then there's a bevy of third party games to look forward to at and after launch(Sonic, Rayman, Red Steel, assorted less-blockbuster titles like Bomberman, Harvest Moon, MK:A, etc.), all leading up to Super Smash Bros. in Fall 2007.

This coming year will probably be one of the most amazing years Nintendo has had for a long time. I can understand the feeling of waiting you're getting, but instead of merely expecting past trends to continue, an examination of the coming line-up from Nintendo should have a rejuvenating and eye-opening effect for any Nintendo fan.


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« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2006, 09:45:03 PM »
I really want to be excited about the upcoming lineup. The upcoming lineup looks great, its something to be excited about. But then I remember that I've been saying that for nearly two and a half years now.

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« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2006, 09:59:01 PM »
But according to my Nintendo fanboi-for-life opinion, the GC was all downhill after Pikmin. After Mario KartD, Sunshine and Zelda, by  I already got the sense that Nintendo was not at the top of its game.

But Zelda: TP AND Mario Galaxy within 6-8 months of each other?!?!?! Call me optimistic, but I anticipate a turning point.

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« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2006, 10:10:04 PM »
Wii - Europe - shafted again, as usual...

EDIT: I've had it. I'm not buying one until it costs me no more than it costs people in the US and Japan.