Author Topic: Steve Irwin "Crocodile Hunter" dead (Read 27276 times)

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #50 on:** September 05, 2006, 10:00:40 PM »

I think I'm going to end this convo as well, I have some choice words for a couple individuals here but I'll leave it be with this statement. I am deeply sickened and revolted by some of the trash I've read. I'll just conclude by saying hundreds of thousands of people swim with stingrays everyday and only 17 deaths have happened in the last 50 years. Steve Irwin even stated that his animal encounters were not as dangerous as the edited forms made them out to be, they were all well planned and that includes the overblown BS about putting his son in danger (If there was any creature he knew EVERYTHING about it was the crocodile). The stingray was a freak accident that could have happened to anyone, it had nothing to do with playing with fire because it is a docile creature most of the time. I also think it is demeaning his intentions to say he poked and taunted animals too, he respected them and never did anything to intentionally try to provoke them for the heck of it.

Dasmos · « **Reply #51 on:** September 06, 2006, 03:59:10 AM »

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They were all well planned and that includes the overblown BS about putting his son in danger (If there was any creature he knew EVERYTHING about it was the crocodile).

Overblown? Was Michael Jackson hanging his child over a ledge overblown, even though he said he knew what he was doing and had a very tight hold? No.

Having a child around crocodiles is dangerous and irresonsible, especially seeing how old the child was. It is in noway a safe place to be, even if you know "everything" about the creature, because as you yourself say freak accidents happen.

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The stingray was a freak accident that could have happened to anyone, it had nothing to do with playing with fire because it is a docile creature most of the time.

Being around any animal who can attack and kill you is playing with fire, no matter how docile they may be. FACT.

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I also think it is demeaning his intentions to say he poked and taunted animals too, he respected them and never did anything to intentionally try to provoke them for the heck of it.

Did he need to wrestle crocodiles? No. Did he need to pick up and wave around wild snakes? No. There are countless situations where he had poked and teased animals for a reaction, nothing else.

Pale · « **Reply #52 on:** September 06, 2006, 04:25:59 AM »

Dasmos,

Comparing an accused pedofile/crazy person who hangs a baby over a ledge with a man who has done a metric ton of good for his country and the world doesn't really work. I'm not gonna argue that the baby in the crocodile pen was a stupid thing to do. I think it was too, for many reasons, but given his history you should be able to forgive some things. You playing internet troll in a thread like this is unbelievably stupid. I guess that's just the kind of person you are.

Dasmos · « **Reply #53 on:** September 06, 2006, 04:45:17 AM »

I am not comparing the people, I am comparing the situation which is valid.

And sorry, Pale, I am not going to make out Steve Irwin to be a saint just because he died.

wandering · « **Reply #54 on:** September 06, 2006, 04:55:16 AM »

I get it now! Dasmos is poking and prodding PGC forum memebers in the same way Steve Irwin poked and prodded crocodiles and snakes. It's his way of giving tribute. Next, he'll link to this thread from another forum, and say, "Crikey! Aww, aren't they beauties. Look at the way they're so protective of their icons. Here, see all I have to is.....troll them...like that. There, see? Okay, there you go little fellas."

Pale · « **Reply #55 on:** September 06, 2006, 05:23:22 AM »

No it is not valid because the person's background affects ones ability to forgive the situation. /sigh

wandering · « **Reply #56 on:** September 06, 2006, 05:28:26 AM »

Endangering a baby is endangering a baby, whether it's Morther Theresa or Osama Bin Ladin.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #57 on:** September 06, 2006, 06:10:23 AM »

Hey guys, I think this conversation is getting a little out of hand. Everybody has their own opinions and arguing back and forth isn't going to make anything better. I say this thread becomes a place for people to pay their respects and thats all. Its not worth arguing this way over a forum; it only ends in anger on all ends.

decoyman · « **Reply #58 on:** September 06, 2006, 06:39:14 AM »

I'm sorry if I implied that you were the one who called him an idiot, UB. I was speaking generally at that point. We all know the only person who's called him an idiot was Dasmos.

Of course there's more risk involved in that line of work than for, say me, a designer. I'm not arguing that.

ALL I'm trying to say is that, there's a time for finger wagging, and scolding and poking fun. "What? Steve Irwin got his finger bit off by a croc? Well, what did he expect???" But that time is not now. A good man, who championed a cause, followed his passion and who loved his family, is dead today. I don't understand why more people can't be sensitive about that.

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Hey guys, I think this conversation is getting a little out of hand. Everybody has their own opinions and arguing back and forth isn't going to make anything better. I say this thread becomes a place for people to pay their respects and thats all. Its not worth arguing this way over a forum; it only ends in anger on all ends.

Seconded.

UncleBob · « **Reply #59 on:** September 06, 2006, 06:58:47 AM »

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No it is not valid because the person's background affects ones ability to forgive the situation. /sigh

MJ's been known to give quite a bit of money to charity as well. He's just not quite as public about it as Mr. Irwin was.
As well, you say "accused child molester". It's important to note that accusations are all that ever happened - no court of law has ever found him guilty of any such crime. Yeah, he's an "accused child molester", but, heck, I could accuse you of the same thing, but that doesn't mean it's going to hold any water in a court of law either.

I'm going to go out on a ledge here (heh) and actually say that MJ's incident was probably *safer* than Mr. Irwin's. Holding something over a ledge has fewer unknown variables than holding something over a crocodile.

Pale · « **Reply #60 on:** September 06, 2006, 07:29:44 AM »

Unknown variables in your mind, but not necessarily his. Again, it was a stupid thing to do. His dad did the same thing to him though and that is part of the reason he felt the way he did about the animals. It really is a world none of us understand and his death by no means proves him wrong.

As far as the accused versus convicted comment about michael jackson... I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics over our legal system. Would you let OJ hang out with your wife?

UncleBob · « **Reply #61 on:** September 06, 2006, 08:15:26 AM »

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Unknown variables in your mind, but not necessarily his. Again, it was a stupid thing to do. His dad did the same thing to him though and that is part of the reason he felt the way he did about the animals. It really is a world none of us understand and his death by no means proves him wrong.

And I'd almost bet, ten seconds before the Sting Ray attacked, Mr. Irwin's mind didn't consider the Sting Ray an unknown variable either. Grizzly Man probably never considered the bears unknown either. And Roy probably thought he knew everything about Montecore as well.

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As far as the accused versus convicted comment about michael jackson... I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics over our legal system. Would you let OJ hang out with your wife?

I'm not a parent. However, I have a hard time believing that any decent parent would allow a man that they honestly believed harmed thier child go free for any amount of money. Perhaps that's just me though.

As per OJ, why exactly didn't that glove fit?

But to answer your question, no, I wouldn't because OJ was, in fact, found guilty. No one ever mentions that though.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #62 on:** September 07, 2006, 09:35:44 AM »

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/games/Goodbye+Steve/

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #63 on:** September 07, 2006, 11:50:44 AM »

The funny thing is that people are probaly putting their child in more danger by throwing them up in the air and catching them or driving down the road than Irwin was with the croc. I know for a fact none of you have even researched what Irwin did in order to prepare for the Crocodile feeding (the croc was overfed and the way he held the child was in case something did happen, he never held him over the croc that is just another exagerration). Again I point out Irwin never wrestled with crocs just for the heck of it, most of it was in order to move them, and he only caught snakes in order to show specific things about them. Which is why I said he never provoked them just to be provoking them. But why I am arguing this? I dunno the ignorant and the punks here will continue to believe what they want, who feel they know more than a man who has been around crocs his whole life and who loved his family completely.

UncleBob · « **Reply #64 on:** September 07, 2006, 01:06:42 PM »

The funny thing is that people are probaly putting their child in more danger by throwing them up in the air and catching them or driving down the road than Michael Jackson was with the window ledge. I know for a fact none of you have even researched what Michael Jackson did in order to prepare for the window hanging. Again I point out Michael Jackson has never been proven guilty of 'wrestling' with kids just for the heck of it, and he only caught kids in order to show specific things about them. Which is why I said he never provoked them just to be provoking them. But why I am arguing this? I dunno the ignorant and the punks here will continue to believe what they want, who feel they know more than a man who has been around kids his whole life and who loved his kids completely.

Seriously though, you're right - I don't know the behind-the-scenes stuff involving the kid/croc incident. I wasn't there. But, considering that the government went in and wrote laws to keep Mr. Irwin from doing it again... that tells me something.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #65 on:** September 07, 2006, 01:08:32 PM »

Even so, Irwin obviously played up the appearance of recklessness. It was part of his television persona, and he capitalized on it. One need look no further than the FedEx commercial he did, in which he keeled over dead because the courier hadn't arrived with the antivenin in time. I'm not defending anyone, but it's hardly surprising that a lot of people have the impression that he was "asking for it."

UncleBob · « **Reply #66 on:** September 07, 2006, 01:34:44 PM »

I like to think that no one really thinks that Mr. Irwin was "asking for it", per say... I just think there's quite a few people out there who just aren't surprised that it happened.

Mario · « **Reply #67 on:** September 08, 2006, 04:38:21 AM »

I'm surprised because I thought he was invincible. I'm also glad he did the kid/croc thing to toughen up his son now that he's going to grow up on his own.

Also this probably doesn't deserve a new thread here because I doubt any non-aussies have heard of him, but aussie motorracing legend Peter Brock has died too, in a motor racing crash, at age 61. I guess everyone saw that coming too?

blackfootsteps · « **Reply #68 on:** September 08, 2006, 06:38:06 AM »

Yeah I can't believe two Aussie icons have died in the one week (three if you count Colin Thiele). Sad times indeed and I don't even care for motor racing. Brock seemed like a really decent guy.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #69 on:** September 08, 2006, 09:32:38 AM »

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The funny thing is that people are probaly putting their child in more danger by throwing them up in the air and catching them or driving down the road than Michael Jackson was with the window ledge. I know for a fact none of you have even researched what Michael Jackson did in order to prepare for the window hanging. Again I point out Michael Jackson has never been proven guilty of 'wrestling' with kids just for the heck of it, and he only caught kids in order to show specific things about them. Which is why I said he never provoked them just to be provoking them. But why I am arguing this? I dunno the ignorant and the punks here will continue to believe what they want, who feel they know more than a man who has been around kids his whole life and who loved his kids completely.

Seriously though, you're right - I don't know the behind-the-scenes stuff involving the kid/croc incident. I wasn't there. But, considering that the government went in and wrote laws to keep Mr. Irwin from doing it again... that tells me something.

My guess is that the government got involved because it stirred up so much controversy. One of those things where the public is upset and the government makes a law to appease the people. On a side note, did you guys know that Irwin's dad had him "wrestle" a crocodile when he was 9?

Dasmos · « **Reply #70 on:** November 01, 2009, 02:20:07 AM »

Quote from: Dasmos on September 03, 2006, 10:43:43 PM

He was an idiot. It was unfortunate, but it was bound to happen one day.

A mate of mine went dressed to halloween as steve irwin and another went as a stingray. we all agreed that the steve irwin one sucked and the stingray was genius.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #71 on:** November 01, 2009, 02:48:41 PM »

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BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #73 on:** November 02, 2009, 03:55:42 AM »

^ thats what I had posted, but in .gif format.
now it disappeared.

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Author Topic: Steve Irwin "Crocodile Hunter" dead (Read 27276 times)