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couchmonkey · « **Reply #25 on:** July 17, 2006, 06:00:25 AM »

...Or it could be that Nomura and Kojima actually like the thing. I mean, we're talking about guys that work on games which are practically interactive movies here, it's not a huge surprise if they back the console with the most power, in spite of price, and it's also not a huge surprise if they want people to buy the console so that they can sell more games.

Maybe Sony paid them off, but it doesn't have to be the case.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #26 on:** July 17, 2006, 08:19:57 AM »

It was Kojima's quote which convinced me...

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However, the PS3 is 'the future.' The Wii is interesting, but in terms of functions, it's a machine with past concepts."

I have to accept one of two things here:

A) Hideo Kojima is out of his hairy little mind (haven't ruled that one out yet).

B) Konami ordered him to say good things about the PS3 by comparison because Sony is paying them to do so.

Sony has proven in the past that they have absolutely no qualms with inventing critics and greasing palms to say good things about them. I wouldn't be surprised if we're seeing the same thing happening here.

wandering · « **Reply #27 on:** July 17, 2006, 08:54:09 PM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I have to accept one of two things here:

A) Hideo Kojima is out of his hairy little mind (haven't ruled that one out yet).

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Kojima would be out of his hairy little mind to NOT say good things about the ps3. He has a big game coming out for the system and he wants that game to do well.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2006, 11:45:57 AM »

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Originally posted by: wandering Kojima would be out of his hairy little mind to NOT say good things about the ps3. He has a big game coming out for the system and he wants that game to do well.

You can praise the good aspects of a product without sounding like you're being paid to do so, though.

For example, if I wanted to praise the PS3, I'd say that it will offer a range of features, both online and off, and be an immense graphical powerhouse, capable of bringing spectacular ultra-realism for maximum gaming immersion.

I would NOT call the Wii, a system which has captured the hearts of millions with its new and innovative controller design and its push toward moving gaming into a new era, "old concepts" by comparison to the PS3.

I understand Kojima's prerogatives, but if that's the best he can do, they need to send another PR guy in his place.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #29 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:38:47 PM »

kojima is on the wrong medium....

he should be doing movies, not games......

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #30 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:49:48 PM »

Movies are in the pits. Kojima is living in 1983.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #31 on:** July 20, 2006, 06:01:43 AM »

Hey what's wrong? There's no bad news for Sony yet this week.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #32 on:** July 20, 2006, 06:12:08 AM »

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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
kojima is on the wrong medium....

he should be doing movies, not games......

I think his games are excellent, it's just that I don't think Kojima and reality are the best of friends.

Kairon · « **Reply #33 on:** July 20, 2006, 07:46:21 AM »

I almost feel a bit sorry for Kojima. He's trying so hard to be the next Akira Kurosawa.
*shakes his head*

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

JonLeung · « **Reply #34 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:15:41 AM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Hey what's wrong? There's no bad news for Sony yet this week.

I think the past week or two were sort of over quota.

Don't worry, we'll still get more doses of bad news before the PS3 launches, assuming Sony doesn't destroy themselves before then.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:31:36 AM »

Well there is a little bit of good news, but I'm too lazy to look for the link right now.

Sony is on track for an on-time launch since PS3 is now moving into full production.

& on a slighty related note

PS3 cost Sony $750+ to make and Sony could go $2Billion in to the red(in the 1st year) if situation don't become absolutely ideal for them
source

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #36 on:** July 20, 2006, 09:14:11 AM »

And Stringer says he's happy to take his chances. "The price of the PS3 is high, but you're paying for potential," he told Tokyo journalists in late June. It's the risk of being "revolutionary rather than just evolutionary on the cheap."

hehe, good luck with that...

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #37 on:** July 20, 2006, 12:20:50 PM »

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Well there is a little bit of good news, but I'm too lazy to look for the link right now.

Sony is on track for an on-time launch since PS3 is now moving into full production.

& on a slighty related note

PS3 cost Sony $750+ to make and Sony could go $2Billion in to the red(in the 1st year) if situation don't become absolutely ideal for them
source

Ewww 250$ loss is nasty, I appreciate Nintendo's strategy more and more when it comes to not losing anything on their systems. The trouble with losing that much money (in addition to advertising) is that you may never get it back, granted both Sony and MS have alot of capital, but still it is a gamble. Heck I may be wrong but I don't believe MS ever came out of the red with the original Xbox (feel free to correct me if this is no longer true).

Deguello · « **Reply #38 on:** July 20, 2006, 12:59:44 PM »

Microsoft only ever came out of the red once in the entirety of the Xbox1's life. That was the month Halo 2 came out. They made $60-70 million dollars. Sounds good! Except most of their financial quarters show losses in excess of $300 million.

To put Microsoft's only profit in perspective, Nintendo has received $120 million + in sales REVENUE (always be sure to know the difference between revenue and profit) from the Brain Training games. Considering that I doubt the game's development budget, advertising, packaging and shipping costs $20 million dollars all combined, Nintendo has profited more than $100 million dollars just on the Brain Training games.

And to answer your other question, Nintendo actually does sell their consoles at a loss at times, but I believe they make the loss per console less than the price of a game. So they sort of still don't sell at a loss. Kinda like the way celery has negative calories (not really, but your body expends more energy attempting to get the energy from celery than celery gives you in return. Fun fact.)

Another fun fact! If you combine just the worldwide million selling titles the DS, you almost reach $1 billion in sales revenue. Meaning that with the other titles included, the DS is already a billion dollar industry unto itself.

Arbok · « **Reply #39 on:** July 20, 2006, 01:15:12 PM »

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Heck I may be wrong but I don't believe MS ever came out of the red with the original Xbox (feel free to correct me if this is no longer true).

As Deguello stated, you are correct. However, Microsoft went into last generation stating that they didn't expect to make a profit off the system until two generations down the road... so on whatever system follows the 360. That seems like a very far off promise on returns, but that was their stated strategy going in.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #40 on:** July 20, 2006, 03:57:31 PM »

Wow. I didn't imagine all that is true about the DS. That is pretty impressive sales figures.

Though I am pretty sure it has cost Nintendo more than $20 million dollars to develop, market, and package Brain Age for the DS. I wouldn't know where to find that information, but I remember Nintendo spending alot on research and development of that game.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #41 on:** July 20, 2006, 04:06:19 PM »

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Originally posted by: Deguello
Microsoft only ever came out of the red once in the entirety of the Xbox1's life. That was the month Halo 2 came out. They made $60-70 million dollars. Sounds good! Except most of their financial quarters show losses in excess of $300 million.

To put Microsoft's only profit in perspective, Nintendo has received $120 million + in sales REVENUE (always be sure to know the difference between revenue and profit) from the Brain Training games. Considering that I doubt the game's development budget, advertising, packaging and shipping costs $20 million dollars all combined, Nintendo has profited more than $100 million dollars just on the Brain Training games.

And to answer your other question, Nintendo actually does sell their consoles at a loss at times, but I believe they make the loss per console less than the price of a game. So they sort of still don't sell at a loss. Kinda like the way celery has negative calories (not really, but your body expends more energy attempting to get the energy from celery than celery gives you in return. Fun fact.)

Another fun fact! If you combine just the worldwide million selling titles the DS, you almost reach $1 billion in sales revenue. Meaning that with the other titles included, the DS is already a billion dollar industry unto itself.

Thanks for the detailed and informative response, it is funny in that it appears Nintendo may be the smallest company yet is the most sucessful when it comes to revenue maximizing, out of the big 3

Kairon · « **Reply #42 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:18:59 PM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Wow. I didn't imagine all that is true about the DS. That is pretty impressive sales figures.

Though I am pretty sure it has cost Nintendo more than $20 million dollars to develop, market, and package Brain Age for the DS. I wouldn't know where to find that information, but I remember Nintendo spending alot on research and development of that game.

I thought that the most amazing fact about Brain Training was that it took 10 people 4 months to make the first game. It was dirt cheap. They expected it to sell 80,000 units at most.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Deguello · « **Reply #43 on:** July 21, 2006, 02:15:15 AM »

LOL I can certainyl assure you Brain Age did not take $20 million to develop, package, market, and ship.

$20 million is the kind of budget a game like Shenmue gets.

JonLeung · « **Reply #44 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:43:14 AM »

I thought Brain Age's success, at least in Japan, was largely due to word of mouth.

I suppose I have seen some Brain Age ads where I didn't expect to...like coming back from E3, there was a Brain Age ad in the in-flight magazine and also a seemingly lengthy commercial on the in-flight selection of TV programming. I had the game with me on board at the time and my friend's EGM which he was reading on the plane had a sort-of lengthy article on Brain Age.

Anyway, would it really be $20 million? I'm not good at estimation.

I'm guessing this isn't including the research of Dr. Ryuta, which likely preceded Brain Age. Didn't it?

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #45 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:00:39 AM »

Deguello: I was thinking worldwide. But I guess it does sound like a lot. Sometimes it just amazes me how cheap you design a game...and market it. I mean it was a great product that opened up a completely new market of games.

Ceric · « **Reply #46 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:01:43 AM »

To make the number more impressive they could have included the cost of his research because without it they couldn't make the game.

JonLeung · « **Reply #47 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:36:06 AM »

Well, it's Friday. The week is almost over, and Sony hasn't had too much in the way of bad news this week.

I almost wonder how out-of-proportion bad news are about Sony considering that they're on top this generation, have the most to lose, and that this is a board of us Nintendo fans.

Then again some PlayStation fans have been kind of leery about the PS3 too...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #48 on:** July 21, 2006, 06:09:56 AM »

I almost wonder how out-of-proportion bad news are about Sony considering that they're on top this generation, have the most to lose, and that this is a board of us Nintendo fans.

Slashdot has the same stories. Of course it's Zonk posting them, that guy is biased and worse than a tabloid...

Ceric · « **Reply #49 on:** July 21, 2006, 06:20:31 AM »

I would like to say. That if there was any bad news about Nintendo it would show up here because we are a Nintendo board. How many times have we all had to talk someone done from:
"Nintendo is doommed, D00MM3D"
If I find bad news about Nintendo. I'm going to post it why? Because without both sides you can't have a discussion. Now Sony being on top doesn't help them hide there screw ups. Nintendo has years of Gaming Press information hiding to fall back on.

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