Topic: So I borrowed a 360 from a friend this week..

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
That sounds to me as a very respectful line-up.  Considering I can't really think of a launch game for the PS3 off the top of my head right this second this bodes well for MS.  Looks like a very strong showing.  This is what there launch should of had but it still not to late to give the PS3 a good blow in it's core market.  Though none of those really cross over to the Wii launch titles domains.

Giant crabs in historic battles, how can you forget a launch game like that?

[Ceric]

I actually went and looked at the launch list after I wrote that.  Looking at the list theirs was only one I knew anything about.  Which is odd because I make it point to read about as many PS3 articles as 360 articles and I know something about most the games listed above for the 360.  I need to do some big refresh.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion For now I'll just have to be satisfied with Loli Golf...

That's "Hawt Loli Golf".

I don't think the Wii will be hitting that same drought. Unlike the DS, there seem to be a lot more 3rd parties willing to support it, especially since some of them seem to have learned from the DS and have already shown off game footage of their Wii games in development.

And yes, what's the big seller on the 360 this xmas? If it ain't Halo 3, then I don't see it making much of a difference. The 360 has already had one xmas to try and gain a lead and it's still only mediocre, sales wise, especially when you consider that it's the ONLY next gen console out there.

The PS3's launch lineup, from what I've heard, isn't even worth mentioning. Pure garbage across the board.  

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion For now I'll just have to be satisfied with Loli Golf...

That's "Hawt Loli Golf".

I don't think the Wii will be hitting that same drought. Unlike the DS, there seem to be a lot more 3rd parties willing to support it, especially since some of them seem to have learned from the DS and have already shown off game footage of their Wii games in development.

And yes, what's the big seller on the 360 this xmas? If it ain't Halo 3, then I don't see it making much of a difference. The 360 has already had one xmas to try and gain a lead and it's still only mediocre, sales wise, especially when you consider that it's the ONLY next gen console out there.

The PS3's launch lineup, from what I've heard, isn't even worth mentioning. Pure garbage across the board.

It appears there is a good chance that Gears of War will be the big seller this christmas. Even though I am far from impressed with the game it has been getting a fair amount of hype and I am sure MS will push it even more right around its release date. Maybe that is a good thing to ask my mentor at MS, what he believes their big system seller will be this Christmas!

[Smash_Brother]

Good idea.

If it's anything, it'll likely be Gears of War.

...But it still wouldn't bring in the numbers that Halo 3 would bring.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Good idea.

If it's anything, it'll likely be Gears of War.

...But it still wouldn't bring in the numbers that Halo 3 would bring.

That is definately true, but if MS plays their cards right maybe they can make it into a franchise close to or as popular as Halo. I was going to say Too Human has potential to be a big system seller if it comes out this year, but I have had a feeling that the game may end up bombing. So I guess Gears of War will have to remain the only potential system seller this year for Xbox 360.

[capamerica]

PennyArcade wasn't to happy with what they saw at E3 for Too Human.
Sadly I have a bad feeling about it. As much as I would love for it to be a hit I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe Nintendo saw what was done and thats why they let Silicon Knights free to develop it for a different system. Nintendo didn't want to drop any money into it, So along comes MS whole likes to dig threw Nintendo's trash and snagged up Too Human just like they did for Rare.  

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: capamerica
PennyArcade wasn't to happy with what they saw at E3 for Too Human.
Sadly I have a bad feeling about it. As much as I would love for it to be a hit I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe Nintendo saw what was done and thats why they let Silicon Knights free to develop it for a different system. Nintendo didn't want to drop any money into it, So along comes MS whole likes to dig threw Nintendo's trash and snagged up Too Human just like they did for Rare.

You are most likely right, heck I don't believe Silicon Knights has released a game since Twin Snakes. They are worse than Rare when it comes to a lack of games, and like Rare they may be starting to go downhill. After what I seen with Rare and now Knights, I am beginning to trust Nintendo's judgement when it comes to who to keep and who to let go.

[Smash_Brother]

I'd kill for more ED games, but I saw the TH video and it looked...bland.

It looked like a bad 3rd person shooter: the attacks seemed very, VERY automated, like Powerstone where you kept mashing the same button and it would make your character execute a combo.

The character always seemed to finish the combo by pulling out his machine guns and shooting in a circle around him, regardless if there were any enemies around or not. This indicates that the attacks are largely out of the hands of the player.

[Requiem]

I don't know how SK has gotten so wayward. In fact, when you compare TH to ED, it seems like there are two different developers.

ED was a milestone in my opinion. It was the first game that mind-****ed me. After a while, I was like "ok, it's just another sanity-effect", yet I was still fooled when "flys" appeared on the screen (I actually got up and tried to swap them, only to realize the damn game tricked me).

Also, the "disk-read error" scared the hell out of me! I hadn't saved for a while and it would of completely ****ed me had it been true, but of course, it was the game just messsing with my head.

Now, I wish Nintendo (owning the rights to sanity-effects) would make something akin to ED, but in a faster-paced game. A game like RE and ED combined; where I am constantly in fear of some horrible monster eating me, and I don't know whether to trust what I see or not. Something like that has so much potential and has the ability to scare the living sh!t out of you.

[Smash_Brother]

I don't know why SK left in the first place.

Around the time when they and Nintendo kinda parted ways, it was clear that Nintendo MUST have had the ideas for the Wii and would have known it would have made a better development platform for SK.

Too Human still has a chance to be a good game, but I agree that nothing I saw looked any more impressive than "Project Hammer".

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if PH was based upon similar ideas: both are based around a cyborg protagonist who is the last hope for humanity and both of them are 3rd person fighting games where the player slays similar looking foes.

However, I have more hope for Hammer because if it'll let me swing the Wiimote and crush the robots on screen, then it'll likely be great stress relief.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I too would love to have another ED game, that game was one of my favorite Gamecube games despite alot of its bad press. Don't get me wrong, I hope Too Human is great, but if E3 was any indication it could signal a downhill slide for Silicon Knights.

[SixthAngel]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

Around the time when they and Nintendo kinda parted ways, it was clear that Nintendo MUST have had the ideas for the Wii and would have known it would have made a better development platform for SK.

That is even more reason to let SK go.  While I liked the insanity effects and story in Eternal Darkness it played badly.  Fighting enemies became a chore and while I liked the rune spell idea casting them in battle was impossible because of the huge time they took.  I feel that they would have not grasped how to make a good game with the wii.  Their past games have had their gameplay based on tried and true methods and they would have no base for how their next game would play if it used a new controller.

[Ymeegod]

Gee love all the negative SK feedback.  *rollseyes*

Maybe the reason they left it because of how bad both ED and MGS TS sold?  Naw, that couldn't be it--why would developers or publisher want money.  

[capamerica]

After all the comments about how much SK loved Nintendo and how they are always going to be a Nintendo company, I'm pretty sure they didn't leave by their own choice.

[ShyGuy]

Naw, Denis Dyack is just a brown noser and an ear tickler. He gushed all over Sega and Microsoft too.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Naw, Denis Dyack is just a brown noser and an ear tickler. He gushed all over Sega and Microsoft too.

Because he's French-Canadian, can we call him a french tickler?

[KDR_11k]

Maybe the reason they left it because of how bad both ED and MGS TS sold?

You make it sound like SK has a reason to expect big sales. Look a their track record, none of their games sold well.

[Requiem of Darcness]

KDR, you make an excellent point. I believe the only SK game that sold well was the original Legacy of Kain. Legacy of Kain was the only SK title to get a good advertising campaign.  

Twin Snakes has no ad campaign. Nintendo gathered the dev team and footed the bill for development. Konami on the other had just whined about lack of sales when they did little to advertise the game. They claimed that they didn't want Twin Snakes to interfere in with MGS3 sales eventhough Twin Snakes game out 6 months before MGS3. Eternal Darkness was another victim of poor advertising. Nintendo didn't even advertise it in Nintendo Power. Plus it had what a month of sparse advertising. If TS or ED got a worthy ad campaign both titles would have sold well.